I've asked you a few questions you have not answered. So, I'll leave this one unanswered for now and move back to your previous post. BTW, I'm finding that some of your posts are not showing up right away even if I refresh my browser on this thread. So, our discussion is getting a little disjointed.
Since you're using the word "force" in a certain way, I'm going to ask you to elaborate on such words, including "overbearing". They can be very personally assessed.
Your original question about the passive voice of submission is really quite a study that we can all learn from. There is a reason I pointed you to 1 Corinthians 15:27-28. I can also point you to Hebrews 2:8.
Here's the 1 Corinthians verses with the same word underlined and the voice identified:
NET 1 Corinthians 15:26-28 The last enemy to be eliminated is death. 27 For
he has put everything in subjection (active voice) under his feet. But when it says "everything"
has been put in subjection (passive), it is clear that this does not include
the one who put everything in subjection (active) to him. 28 And
when all things are subjected (passive) to him, then
the Son himself will be subjected (passive)
to the one who subjected everything to him (active), so that God may be all in all.
- A few observations re: the parsed statements:
- God subjected everything [to Christ]
- Everything has been subjected [by God]
- God did not subject Himself
- In the future all things will be subjected [to Christ]
- In the future Christ will be subjected to God
- God subjected everything [to Christ]
- A few observations re: the subjection:
- Although everything has been actively subjected to Christ, there is a future when all things are passively subjected to Christ
- Obviously, this subjection matter requires some pondering
- Christ will be subjected (passive) to God [the Father]
- Is our Father "forcing" our Lord into subjection? Do you think our Father is being "overbearing"?
- Is there something we should learn and emulate in regard to our Lord being subjected to God our Father?
It's vital that we understand that this world has been divinely ordered by God for His perfect purpose according to His perfect plan. This divine order includes subordinate roles we all are to live out. First & foremost, we are all subordinate to God. Wives are subordinate to husbands to the degree that it does not conflict with our subordination to God. Children are subordinate to parents to the degree that it does not conflict with our subordination to God. We all are subordinate to human government - His servant - to the degree that it does not conflict with our subordination to God. We are subordinate to congregational leaders and teachers again to the degree that it does not conflict with our subordination to God.
We as Christians are mandated to convey God's order for God's purposes. If some Christians, or professed Christians abuse this, although a given that they do, God's order is to stand as the standard. This is part of the Christian light to the world, during the time left where the rebellious world does not accept the fact of God's order and its being subjected to Jesus Christ.
Our willing subjection to God and to one another as commanded is actually a witness to the world and to the angelic realm of the fact that God's Love and Love for God will prevail. This same Love is behind the divine established order that is in place for His purpose for His Love to be realized and actualized universally.
This passive voice in one sense seems to be conveying the willing collaboration of His Son and His Children to work with Him in His plan to save and bless His creation eternally. But make no mistake about it, He has subjected everything, this was done by His sovereign rule and absolute power (force if you will), and everything will ultimately be subjected, even the last enemy, death. Right now, we get the choice to be willingly subjected, experientially anyway, because legally we are already made subject. At some point this grace ends.
With all due respect, once again, God's Word is to be subordinated to. It/He is to be obeyed. That's all there is to it.
Abusive husbands are out of line with God. Abusive wives are out of line with God. Abusive people are out of line with God. But God will use them for His Righteous purposes.
"Overbearing" may well be in the eyes of the beholder. Correct and wise use of authority is necessary and appropriate in God's eye as I understand Him. By proper use and assertion of authority we assist and train in His order being observed. By proper orientation to proper authority, we help one another do the job we are assigned to by God, which is a concept of loving one another and of a functioning Body.
FWIW, pastors and teachers (and anyone in authority over a group of people) have a tough task IMO & experience. They (some reluctantly due to knowing this) take the position of authority in a mixed congregation of spiritual infants, spiritually young people, and possibly spiritually mature people. If they seem overbearing the mature may well realize that authority is being asserted to raise the infants and the youth to maturity where they will behave and also understand.
Suggestion: Read Genesis 3:16 last clause and realize what the penalty was for the woman's rebellion and further realize that this order still remains. Read 1 Peter 3:1 and see what wives' submission may accomplish. Read 1 Peter 3:5 and see that it's what "holy women who put their hope in God" have done. Read Titus 2:5 to see what the wives' work and submission are as a witness to God's Word. Read Colossians 3:18 and see the overriding condition of "in the Lord" regarding wives' submission (IOW, remember the highest priority of subordination to God and question such things as abuse). Read 1 Peter 5:5 and see the tie between submission, humility and God's grace.
Passive voice: be [willingly] subjected to (because it's God will, command and order, and your love and witness). Some will translate this in an active sense when it's a command. In some cases, it may be a middle voice which essentially means the person subordinating does so actively, but has a vested interest in the action, or the subject person is being emphasized in some way. Some commenters simply refer to passives such as this word to be a middle/passive.
I wasn't going to get into all this unless you or someone wanted to discuss it but here it is. There's more, as strange as it may seem.