Horses of the apocalypse

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are just allegories for the things they represent. Nothing more, nothing less.
The wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters, have and still are happening. Proved by the Fifth Seal - all the Christian martyrs since Stephen.

Christ and Satan have nothing to do with those troubles which have always faced humanity.

sparow said:

God does nothing that is vanity. The four horses correspond to the first four seals; although there is more than the horses to the seals. If the fourth seal is open, and I believe it is, the the book that the seven seals seal is half opened; I expect the fifth and remaining seals to be opened when Christ returns.

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You have some interesting thoughts and I agree that the horsemen have already been loosed. Yet, we see a rise in the intensity of their presence, like the turning of the screw. Most Christians choose not to see, or, choose to remain asleep. But imho, it is time to wake up.

I believe that this all points to a sequence of events, which we are to be aware of when they come to pass. We also can plainly see the alliance of nations described in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 happening in the days which we live in. We need to be whatching and waiting and ready for His coming.

great points & perspectives here, i think the pale horse might be rideing already

sparow said:

God does nothing that is vanity. The four horses correspond to the first four seals; although there is more than the horses to the seals. If the fourth seal is open, and I believe it is, the the book that the seven seals seal is half opened; I expect the fifth and remaining seals to be opened when Christ returns.

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When you say that the 4th seal is open, what exactly are you meaning by that, since Jesus already opened all of the seals 2000 years ago? Which would mean, of course the 4th seal is open.

DavidPT said:

When you say that the 4th seal is open, what exactly are you meaning by that, since Jesus already opened all of the seals 2000 years ago? Which would mean, of course the 4th seal is open.

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When are you saying that Jesus opened all of the seals? The book of the revelation is well documented as having been written in about AD96 and the book is pretty much all future prophecy. Where is and what is your proof?

sparow said:

Yes, we need to be awake; but not woke.

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Please , there is no difference in being awak and being woke. It is satan that has changed awake to woke.

sparow said:

Why do you say that, who are you quoting, are you a preterits.

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I'm not a Preterist, I'm just assuming that Jesus already opened the seals 2000 years ago once He ascended to heaven following His death and resurrection some days later.

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


First we see a book in the right hand of him that sat on the throne. Then we see a strong angel proclaiming, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? Next we see that no one is worthy to do this until one of the elders informed John, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Are we to then assume He won't be worthy of this until sometime in the future, rather than He was already worthy of this 2000 years ago after He died and rose, then ascended to heaven?

Just so there is no confusion here, I'm not suggesting that when Christ opened the seals, that these events were being fulfilled at that time. All I'm saying is that He opened the seals in order to reveal what was contained in the sealed book. Clearly He has already done that, otherwise no one would yet know what was written in the sealed book.. Yet, we know what was written in the sealed book, do we not?

As to the events involving the seals, I see these events involving the end of this age not 2000 years ago. Therefore, that alone makes me not a Preterist. And speaking of Preterists, unlike them, I do not take any of the events recorded in the book of Revelation to be involving what happened in 70 AD and leading up to 70 AD.

DavidPT said:

I'm just assuming that Jesus already opened the seals 2000 years ago once He ascended to heaven following His death and resurrection some days later.

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I agree, for Seals 1-5. Proved by all the martyrs since Stephen, having their souls kept under the Altar in heaven.
But not for the Sixth and Seventh Seals, as what they prophesy has not yet happened.

The first five Seals are open and they represent the 'birth pangs of the new era', as they become exponentially stronger and more disastrous.
Terrible wars, horrible famines, deadly plagues, economic disasters and more Christians killed for their faith. Culminating in Iran's attempting to wipe Israel off the map.
THEN the Lord will take action and He will reset out civilization, as He did in the days of Noah.

The four-horseman ride during the 7 year 70th week, which will begin with the ride on the white horse given a crown. That rider is the Antichrist and the crown is as the king of Israel, coming in his own name. Here is a chart in easy to understand form. The seventh seal is opened in Revelation 8:1, followed by the unfolding of the rest of Revelation regarding events to take place for Jesus's Second Coming.

War will break out, upon the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. Shattering the sense of peace and safety of the false messianic age that begins when he is anointed the king of Israel.

I believe that clearly the four horsemen are sent by God specifically to inflict pain, suffering, and death. The riders may be angelic in nature, but are likely saints who have died and/or been transformed to the angelic (light) nature. In the Old Testament, the horses were rider-less. This is because the riders of those animals fell and were cast out of Heaven with Lucifer. Therefore the horses were awaiting new riders from post-Christ saints. We are designed and destined to take the places (and perform the duties) of the fallen angelic hosts in the Kingdom of God.

I cannot help but feel ever since the covid outbreak, we have been seeing in place components of the four horsemen in action.

We had the lockdowns, the stay at home mandates, mask wearing mandates all on a international scale, the consequences which followed (businesses having to close with exception of businesses and services that are essential), people rather losing their jobs instead of getting vaccinated (and depending on industry for example agriculture, not enough workers or drivers, food wastage, you got a supply and demand issue where cost of goods can increase).

There has been mass riots because of these vaccine mandates (this is in a sense, a war), and who knows how much deaths has resulted as a consequence of these unnecessary lockdowns and vaccination requirements?

It is like all 4 horsemen are connected to each other in one way or another, like we see a domino effect. Just one event needed, and all the other pieces fall into place.

Douggg said:

The four-horseman ride during the 7 year 70th week, which will begin with the ride on the white horse given a crown. That rider is the Antichrist and the crown is as the king of Israel, coming in his own name. Here is a chart in easy to understand form. The seventh seal is opened in Revelation 8:1, followed by the unfolding of the rest of Revelation regarding events to take place for Jesus's Second Coming.

War will break out, upon the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. Shattering the sense of peace and safety of the false messianic age that begins when he is anointed the king of Israel.



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I almost agree with this Doug but I think the false Messianic age will begin when a man hailed as the messiah is crowned the king of Jerusalem in the current land of Israel, most likely in the near future

During this false Messianic age …
Many Messiahs come
Many False prophets come
Temple is rebuilt
Priesthood restored
Wars famines earthquakes
Beginning of sorrows
10 tribes of Israel (10 gentiles kingdoms) form over the territories of the old Roman Empire
Babylon rebuilt
Persecution and tribulations arise
And the falling away from the faith begins

But the end is not yet ..

But during this false messianic age the good news of the kingdom of the true son of David to come will be preached …though sadly they will be killed off for this

Then the end comes and it starts with the rise of the antichrist (70th week)

He Rises over the 10 tribes of Israel (10 horn kingdoms) he is the rider of the white horse
War famine plagues and death takes place because of his rise over the false messianic age that has been going on for many years

They will destroy mystery Babylon which is the major religion of the false messianic age … mystery Babylon will believe in her heart “i sit a queen and am not a widow and shall see no sorrow”

Then the false prophet of Judah/Jerusalem will hail him as God and together, they will seek to unite judah kingdom with Israel kingdom and the AOD will put pressure on them to submit to their will …..

As for your chart … the 5th seal reveals the souls of them that were killed during the long duration of the false messianic age … they wanted justice most likely on mystery Babylon who are responsible for their martyrs but are told to rest a little longer cause more martyrdom was about to take place as they were most likely under the antichrist….

The 6th seal only reveals the start of the wrath of God and the lamb with specific events taking place … note: the clouds leave and will return when Jesus comes back

sparow said:

The controversy of the white horse of the first seal is not addressed; does it represent Jesus or Satan? It is being assumed to be Satan and in that context the fist five seals are discussed.


I assume the white horse represents the Messiah because white represents righteousness and the bow is the symbol of God's covenant. According to Zechariah the horses are sent out by God; would God send out Satan and to look for what?

If there are reasons for assuming Satan I would like to know.

For example, has the Roman Catholic Church, made a covenant with it's laity and others, a covenant that opposes God?

Did God send out the Catholic Church; are the four horse the four beasts? I would like to know why it is claimed the white horse of the first seal is considered to be Satan.

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The white horse is a man that god will allow to rise over the 10 horns to punish mysterious Babylon for their abuse over the territories it rules over

He comes as an imitation of a messiah to seek to establish the covenant

War famine plague and death takes place
afterwards because of his rise to power

It’s not the Catholic Church