Ignore German History at Your Own Peril

Soldier_of _God said (in defining "anti-Americanism")
"opposed or hostile to the people or the government policies of the U.S."

Opposing government policies is anti-American?
Are you serious?

One thing I think we forget is that out military is made up of us more than the government types and wouldn't easily go along with this - even though some may think differently.

Today at 05:10 PM D. Scarlatti said this in Post #41

Soldier_of _God said (in defining "anti-Americanism")
"opposed or hostile to the people or the government policies of the U.S."

Opposing government policies is anti-American?
Are you serious?

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I bet the farm we can easily find a government policy that SOG opposes.  We could probably do it just parsing his old posts too (just look up afirmative action and immigration).

He's anti-American!  Get him! 

Opposing government policies is anti-American?

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entry found for anti-American.

Main Entry: an·ti-Amer·i·can
Pronunciation: -&-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n
Function: adjective
Date: 1773

: opposed or hostile to the people or the government policies of the U.S.

I bet the farm we can easily find a government policy that SOG opposes. We could probably do it just parsing his old posts too (just look up afirmative action and immigration).

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whatever, pretty sad when you have to drag up an old thread must mean you cant think of anyhting else to attack me with

Well, I can think of a couple of Supreme Court decisions with which I beg to differ, so I suppose I'm anti-American too.

Today at 06:00 PM Soldier_of _God said this in Post #44

whatever, pretty sad when you have to drag up an old thread must mean you cant think of anyhting else to attack me with

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You're right!  I should be using threads from the future! 

 


BTW, you still need to learn to chill out.  What is with these people who can dish it out but not take it?  
 

D Scarlatti

so I suppose I'm anti-American too.

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Is that why you changed your flag to the Iranian one?

Today at 04:28 PM cenimo said this in Post #47

D Scarlatti


Is that why you changed your flag to the Iranian one?

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no cenimo looks much more like a iraqi flag

cenimo said
Is that why you changed your flag to the Iranian one?

I never had a U.S. flag there to begin with.

Soldier_of _God said
no cenimo looks much more like a iraqi flag

Nifty little feature they have here: put your cursor over the flag.

Interesting thread.

From Germany bashing, to Native American bashing...to two feathers bashing.

Cenimo and Woseley, you claim to be wise and intellectual men, yet you foolishly jumped to conclusions when I mentioned America's less-than-perfect record. My comments alluded to more than what was done to the Native people of this country, but you didn't bother to ask, did you? It was so much easier to assume I was "whining" about my people. That way, you could express your disgust about a race of people and their hopes of aquiring God-given rights that have been denied them. You obviously know very little about Native Americans. I will ignore the things you said about me, but I cannot ignore what you have said about my people. It would benefit you greatly to step outside and whisper an apology, allowing the wind to carry it to those you offended. That's the least you could do.

Soldier_Of_God,

Starscream and Brimshack, thanks for defending me in my abscence.

D Scarlatti

nor did you have Iran's.....

Starscream

Where are the implied slurs about native Americans? Telling facts about how casinos are run? Anyone who's worked in a Native-American casino from the opening will tell you about the reservation camouflage, etc...

Two Feathers

The replies were to your statement four times worse
I'd say if you make a statement like that, the burden of proof is on you. Seems like something four times worse than the Holacost would have alone made the history bookes, etc...throw in starting the first world War and then what?

D Scarlatti

nor did you have Iran's.....

Starscream

Where are the implied slurs about native Americans? Telling facts about how casinos are run? Anyone who's worked in a Native-American casino from the opening will tell you about the reservation camouflage, etc...

Two Feathers

The replies were to your statement four times worse
I'd say if you make a statement like that, the burden of proof is on you. Seems like something four times worse than the Holacost would have alone made the history bookes, etc...throw in starting the first world War and then what?

Today at 07:01 PM two feathers said this in Post #51

Starscream and Brimshack, thanks for defending me in my abscence.

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No need to thank me, you are more than deserving of the service, and not just because of your heriatage but of the fact that you have always been a nice person.

 

Have a nice day.

Soldier:

It is easy enough to mock references to Native Americans or there problems, but I know people that have directly experienced the effects of government policy deliberately intended to break up Native American families. There is no way to force you to care about such things, or even to get you to actualy read a post and respond to its content. Post all the whinny faces you like, but you will get further with such games on a grade school playground.

As to spitting at soldiers, the reason I suspect you would be disappointed is that you have already worked up a great deal of anger over an event that hasn't happened yet. (Note: Yes I know it happened in Vietnam, but your questions relate to the prospect of it happening at the end of THIS war.) If any protesters do in fact behave that way, then you will indeed have cause to criticize them. Until then, your hostility looks an awful lot like eager anticipation.

Cenimo:

I am very familiar with some of the unfair employment practices perpetrated by SOME Native American employers. Firing people simply because they are white does constitute discrimination, and if it can be proved, the businesses in question should be held accountable. And frequent absence is indeed one of the hallmarks of work in Indian country. It has as much to do with responsibilities to large families as it does with the widespread pattern of laziness you seem to allege, but such stereotypes seem to be a fundamental part of your thinking. So be it. In any event, these are problems involving the practices of individual casino operations and the actual behavior of individuals. The resolution lies in correcting the behavior, not in eliminating the casinos. Since the objection lodged earlier in the thread was to the mere existence of such businesses in Indian land, these specific concerns simply fall below the level of the actual topic.

As to tribal preference in employment, that is not descriminatory in itself. Just asthe U.S. is free to promote employment of it's own citizens, tribes are free to promote theirs. Where the questionable conduct comes in is when the preference is applied as a racial category rather than on the basis of membership.

No harm, no foul on the confusion.

From Germany bashing, to Native American bashing...to two feathers bashing.

Cenimo and Woseley, you claim to be wise and intellectual men, yet you foolishly jumped to conclusions when I mentioned America's less-than-perfect record. My comments alluded to more than what was done to the Native people of this country, but you didn't bother to ask, did you? It was so much easier to assume I was "whining" about my people. That way, you could express your disgust about a race of people and their hopes of aquiring God-given rights that have been denied them. You obviously know very little about Native Americans. I will ignore the things you said about me, but I cannot ignore what you have said about my people.

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My dear fellow, go back and read my post (#18) again.

Nowhere did I mention you personally, nor Native Americans specifically.

I mentioned a statute of limitations on anyone experiencing genocide.

Then I listed a few of my ancestors who were abused by invaders to their countries, in the exact same way you have alluded to abuse your people suffered by invaders to yours.

My point being that just about every race on the planet has been the target of racial warfare at one time or another. Your people suffered it from my people. My people suffered it from the Magyars and Huns. The Pygmies suffered it from the Bantus. The Austroasians suffered it from the Chinese. The Chinese suffered it from the Japanese.

The guilty race in all this is the human one.

Here in America, of course, the wounds are still raw because they're new. For Europeans, they're less raw, being not so new. For Autroasians, they're even less raw, being rather quite ancient.

But---nowhere in this thread did I mention you specifically.

I did, however, mention you specifically here: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=736502#post736502.

What I said then still goes.

Good evening, sir.

Hmm been following this thread and biting my toungue at some the remarks.

Ok here's my 2 cents

Gwyyn's shortened version of "World" History

Whites have persecuted whites,and others listed

Africans have persecuted Africans and others listed

Asians have persecuted Asians and others listed

Indians have persecuted Indians and others listed

Purple polka dotted aliens have persecuted Purple polka dotted aliens and others listed and the poor the defenseless cows

Ok what's my point,  not one race on this planet can sit back and say they've done no wrong! Period, end of story!

just my 2 cents!

 

poor cows  no one to defend them

 

Brimshack

After getting up and operating and then posting a policy that 70% of all positions will be filled by Native amricans - thus resulting in a large reduction in the non-Native employees is not firing based on discrimination?

Intersting sidenote here...
the spirtual leader of the Hopis in Arizona has thus far convinced them not to go into the casino business.

Actually, I said that WAS discrimnatory. What is not discriminatory is an openly stated and consistent followed policy of tribal preference. It is no different than a policy of hiring Amerians or buying American products.

I am aware of the Hopi position against gambling. The Navajo Nation has also turned down gambling in 3 separate referenda. If tribal governments choose not to legalize gambling that is their call. But that is actually my point. Gambling falls under the jurisdiction of the tribal governments themselves, and as such it is no different than any state determining whether or not it wishes to allow gaming. Barring specifics, such as the ones you have mentoined, the rest of us have no call for complaint if tribes choose to allow gambling.

Yesterday at 11:13 PM Wolseley said this in Post #56

nowhere in this thread did I mention you specifically.

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You're right Wolseley. My apologies.


Though I'm hardly convinced that your comments were not directed towards Native Americans; or, more specifically, towards certain tribes who are asking for reparations over treaties broken by the U.S.