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Experience in western Europe, Australia and the Pacific Rim show that more progressive societies have happier people and far less poverty. Because these countries have stronger public education and in many cases free college the populace is more educated and less likely to be duped by manipulative politicians than our own citizens, particularly in deep red Southern States like mine.
 
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That number seems insanely high for health insurance. Not sure what's going on there, but I pay between 250 and 300 per month for my family..
Out of curiosity; is your plan employer based or other? Secondly, what is your deductible?

My health insurance is employer based and I pay $125 per week (500+ per month) and my deductible is 15K (yes $15,000 per year out of pocket before the insurance company chips in a dime).
Health insurance for me would be cheaper through Obamacare exchanges. However, because my employer offers healthcare, I can't utilize any of the deductions available in Obamacare. My family would literally save money if the company I work for ended its healthcare benefit.
 
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I willlook at the number crunchers in the CBO before yours. This individual has a family plan. Many companies offer health insurance and throw in a few nickels to help pay the cost, especially in red states.
They are looking into the ACA.
The overall savings of universal health care is huge, and there would be premiums.

If you could get healthcare from the government and not have to pay the extra 20 to 25% insurance companies pay wouldn't that be better? Hopefully companies would take what they used to pay as insurance subsidies and add them in to salaries. Or perhaps pay those subsidies towards the government plan another good idea. Our system now is inefficient and ineffective and very expensive we can do better when we realize that we are being conned.

Great, look them up and do the math yourself. Let me know what you come up with.

Experience in western Europe, Australia and the Pacific Rim show that more progressive societies have happier people and far less poverty. Because these countries have stronger public education and in many cases free college the populace is more educated and less likely to be duped by manipulative politicians than our own citizens, particularly in deep red Southern States like mine.

Australia has 25 million people. The US has 331 million people. Of course, they have less poverty. They have less people. And all this free stuff you want to give away...who's paying for it? You still haven't convinced your government to give you the 100 billion per year to cover your first 3 issues. 2 and half million people attended college in 2019 at an average cost of 19,000 dollars per year. That's another nearly 50 billion per year to add to your budget. Most likely double that when since more people will take advantage of it being free. That's great and all, but the question of who's paying remains? The evangelicals and Catholics are already furious at your support for hormone blockers and gender affirming care for kids as well as abortion. Now you expect to ask for 200 billion per year to cover only four issues in your budget? I think we need to take a step back. What exactly do you mean by "happier people"?
 
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Out of curiosity; is your plan employer based or other? Secondly, what is your deductible?

My health insurance is employer based and I pay $125 per week (500+ per month) and my deductible is 15K (yes $15,000 per year out of pocket before the insurance company chips in a dime).
Health insurance for me would be cheaper through Obamacare exchanges. However, because my employer offers healthcare, I can't utilize any of the deductions available in Obamacare. My family would literally save money if the company I work for ended its healthcare benefit.

Mine is employer based with a 3k deductible.
 
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That number seems insanely high for health insurance...

Mine is employer based with a 3k deductible.
Perhaps you are far more blessed than most. Your costs seem insanely low with both a low premium and and low deductible. For most, it's one or the other.
 
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Experience in western Europe, Australia and the Pacific Rim show that more progressive societies have happier people and far less poverty. Because these countries have stronger public education and in many cases free college the populace is more educated and less likely to be duped by manipulative politicians than our own citizens, particularly in deep red Southern States like mine.


And the difference is between progressives and leftists. Those countries are
generally progressive, while the US and Canada are moving toward the leftists
WOKE ideology, which is going to destroy the nation.

If the US goes down, the rest of the world will suffer terribly.
 
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Perhaps you are far more blessed than most. Your costs seem insanely low with both a low premium and and low deductible. For most, it's one or the other.



I think the above is the case. Mine now is equivalent to his, maybe some differences. Where I worked before, my premium was $802 with a deductible of $6000 for me and my kids. The family deductible was $12,500. My drug coverage was generics only, which means my maintenence inhaler wasnt covered. To get it covered i would have to pay $1200 a month same deductible. The family plan was $1500 a month. Maybe more.

Paying $800 a month for insurance on an EMT salary wasn't easy. Many paychecks were under $300 as I also had child support to pay.

I was hoping for singlepayer healthcare, but too many people don't want to change to that. They don't realize that in the long run they would have more money in their pocket even with a bump in taxes.
 
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Perhaps you are far more blessed than most. Your costs seem insanely low with both a low premium and and low deductible. For most, it's one or the other.

I was thinking the same thing. If that is the baseline, no one I know is at that.
 
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And the difference is between progressives and leftists. Those countries are
generally progressive, while the US and Canada are moving toward the leftists
WOKE ideology, which is going to destroy the nation.

If the US goes down, the rest of the world will suffer terribly.

Or maybe in the progressive countries, the populace is not fighting against an opposition that demonizes anything more "progressive" than Dickensian London. They might not have been locked in a power struggle with politicians obsessed with ending Social Security, Medicare, minimum wages, unemployment insurance, pensions, etc. They don't rename programs dictated by "human decency" as "socialism."

To those for whom compassion and human kindness have died, those emotions who make people "human" are called "woke" as a pejorative.
 
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Out of curiosity; is your plan employer based or other? Secondly, what is your deductible?

My health insurance is employer based and I pay $125 per week (500+ per month) and my deductible is 15K (yes $15,000 per year out of pocket before the insurance company chips in a dime).
Health insurance for me would be cheaper through Obamacare exchanges. However, because my employer offers healthcare, I can't utilize any of the deductions available in Obamacare. My family would literally save money if the company I work for ended its healthcare benefit.
Isn't there a provision that if the insurance offered by a corporation costs more than 10% of a worker's income that the ACA could be used instead? Of course your premiums aren't the real problem--it's the deductible.
 
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Democrats had a strategy to support the most right wing extreme candidates in the Republican primary, so when they win and run in the general election, the vast majority would reject them and their crazy conservative conspiracies. And it worked. Neither Party is great, and I don't belong either, but I find the Democratic Party's policies and ideology are more in line with biblical principles. Conservatives, which have led both Parties, have for the most part been on the wrong side of our moral history. And they've gotten worse in the last 40 years. Racism/hate has again become a huge tool in the conservative Party. God is love, the opposite of hate, but sadly hate/racism isn't a deal breaker for many in the Republican Party that identify with being Christian. I believe Republicans use abortion as a wedge issue to get votes, without being consistent with characteristics of someone who is really pro-life. They support giving Israel billions of tax dollars each year, when the Israeli government funds and preforms thousands of abortions each year. They vote against policies that would help struggling pregnant mothers, poor families, food stamps programs, struggling students. When I see these people calling themselves pro-lifers and siding with people and policies of hate. I think of the bible verse 1John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a fellow believer, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see? I don't see Republicans or their policies being loving towards all people. I can't think of one policy Republicans had in the last 40 years that benefited the vast majority of citizens. Most of their policies disproportionately benefits corporations and the wealthy.


They don't have good policies, so they preach not to just disagree with the other side, but hate the other side. Demonize the left to be against whatever they're for. They appear to fear children learning our true history. The bible, which supports telling the true history from the beginning, also tells us the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil, and without love, none of the other commands matter. That's what we have here in America. From the beginning of our country's history we embraced greed and hate. Europeans used a racist decree called the "Doctrine of Discovery" to steal Indigenous land while committing genocide and enslaving Africans. We founded this country on ungodly principles. White Europeans kidnapped Africans to sell them. They created laws making them white with privilege, and people from the larger continent of Africa black with disadvantages. They enforced these laws with extreme violence and white society's acceptance. We practiced racist laws on the books till the late 1960s. Some Christians did the right thing, but for the most part Christians in a position to do something against ungodly practices have a horrible record of standing against hate and the love of money in our country. Kidnapping and buying and selling other humans is a sin worthy of death in the bible. It was practiced by most of our forefathers. We as Christians shouldn't try to hide or lie about our history. The truth is always a good thing to tell, and the truth is we created a goddess for America called Columbia. She personified what America was about, which largely was love of money and hate. Ever wonder why the Indians were always fighting the cowboys? because of genocide and Europeans discovering (stealing) their land. God wasn't behind us in any of our wars. In a true revolutionary war people at the bottom are brought up. But with our 1776 war, blacks at the bottom are pushed farther down for generations. Slavery played a huge part in the 1776 war, taxes would take away some funds, but ending slavery would take away everything in the South. Blacks have always pushed America to become a more perfect union.


Now back to the recent midterms, Republicans have a powerful weapon in the corporate media, which has NEVER been liberal/progressive, just conservative and corporate, there's no year where we had a progressive mainstream media. They hold Republicans to lower standards. Corporate owners know usually the candidate spending the most money wins 90% of the time. So the billionaire pour millions into horrible Republican campaigns to make these candidates with bad working class policies more competitive by using propaganda ads. MSNBC, CNN, FOX, ABC and CBS which are all corporate were predicting and hoping for a red wave. But women and generation Z save the day and probably our Democracy. Women because of choice concerning abortion and the Zoomers because they're woke to what's happening. Ages 18-25 see huge problems with people dying from global climate change, inequality, homophobia, transphobia, racism, only country with student debt, abortion rights, mass gun shooting. I believe they see the hypocrisy in many conservative Republican positions. Like using the bible to condemn same sex unions, but saying little about the millions who divorce and remarry, when the bible calls them adulterers. Or saying you're pro-life but don't have a problem with unnecessary wars like Iraq, not supporting programs that help the poor and needy. It seems like many Christians have abandoned their biblical principles for their political affiliations. Thank you generation Z, there will be more of them eligible for the 2024 election. God bless our country.
 
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Don't get me wrong, they took the house and will probably pick up the Senate as well, which is a victory for the Republicans by any definition, but the overall results were pretty dismal when compared to what was expected to happen.

Looks like the results are even more dismal than it was two days ago. So much for the Senate.
 
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Or maybe in the progressive countries, the populace is not fighting against an opposition that demonizes anything more "progressive" than Dickensian London. They might not have been locked in a power struggle with politicians obsessed with ending Social Security, Medicare, minimum wages, unemployment insurance, pensions, etc. They don't rename programs dictated by "human decency" as "socialism."

To those for whom compassion and human kindness have died, those emotions who make people "human" are called "woke" as a pejorative.

The progressive nations, especially the Scandanavian Nations, have been progressive for a much longer time than the leftist ideology in the US and Canada.

In fact, the more egalitarian they've become, the greater divide between men and women have taken place, to the surprise of the liberals there. Women, when given the choice, will choose humanitarian careers over STEM careers, while men still move toward STEM and trades.
 
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Looks like the results are even more dismal than it was two days ago. So much for the Senate.
Yeah...didn't expect the sudden shift in Nevada votes. Reps will likely have the house though and put a halt to Biden's agenda. Also, we can finally start getting some investigations into Hunter, Biden/China ties, and the FTX/Ukraine tax money laundering. The latter is going to be interesting.
 
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Yeah...didn't expect the sudden shift in Nevada votes. Reps will likely have the house though and put a halt to Biden's agenda. Also, we can finally start getting some investigations into Hunter, Biden/China ties, and the FTX/Ukraine tax money laundering. The latter is going to be interesting.
The current prediction for the House is Republicans 219, Democrats 216.
Not much of a cushion. Even if Republicans begin these revenge-fantasy pseudo witch hunts, there will be as many Democrats on the committee with equal time in the hearings asking questions like:
We are dealing with inflation. Why are you wasting our time with this baloney?
What's more, even with Cheney and Kinzinger gone, there might be two or three Republicans who came to get a job done who would be willing to compromise on legislation for the good of the country. Wouldn't they be unbelievable role models for the election deniers?
There is still a chance that Dems could keep the House, and wil definitely win the Senate, hopefully with an extra vote so that Manchin will know longer be the most powerful person in the Senate.
 
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The democrats have had control of the congress and the executive branch and have created high gas prices, inflation, rising crime and an out of control southern border. Imagin what they will go with two more years if allowed?
 
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They created none of those conditions.
We have been through this.
Biden has turned more away from the border than Trump did.
Inflation is global. Gas prices are due to the war in Ukraine and OPEC.
During the pandemic there was less crime because people didn't leave their homes as much--so when the pandemic ebbed crime increased from COVID- induced lows.
So who would deal with these better? Democrats or Republicans who have lost their grip on reality so much so they still believe a soon-to-be fugitive from justice won the election.
I want my lawmakers to get to work and get a grip.
 
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The current prediction for the House is Republicans 219, Democrats 216.
Not much of a cushion. Even if Republicans begin these revenge-fantasy pseudo witch hunts, there will be as many Democrats on the committee with equal time in the hearings asking questions like:
We are dealing with inflation. Why are you wasting our time with this baloney?
What's more, even with Cheney and Kinzinger gone, there might be two or three Republicans who came to get a job done who would be willing to compromise on legislation for the good of the country. Wouldn't they be unbelievable role models for the election deniers?
There is still a chance that Dems could keep the House, and wil definitely win the Senate, hopefully with an extra vote so that Manchin will know longer be the most powerful person in the Senate.

"We are dealing with inflation. Why are you wasting our time with this baloney?"

Ask yourself this question, but instead pretend you're asking it in regard to the J6 committee hearings. The one almost no one cared about.

Also, 219 can, and will, kill Bidens agenda. Sorry to break it to you.
 
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Thank God we don't have Republicans running things. If i can't afford gas, i want programs targeted for the 99%, not billionaires we hope will let a penny or two trickle down.

Compare the prices of gas before Biden took office and after.

The inflation rate December 31 2020, the last day Trump was president,
was 4.2%.

On December 31 2021 after one year with Joe Biden was 7.04%

Currently, it's 8.52%, more than double during Trump years.
 
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