Does all/ pas mean all or some?

Saint Steven said:

The "the Law and the prophets"? Wow.

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Don't get too excited, it is only God's Words.
Just to refresh your memory, the comments
originated with the OP stating
"the restitution of all things", without citing
the verse, fully quoting, or establishing
context. Yeah, wow!
What do you think is being referenced here?
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Not UR, the restoration of
Israel under their national covenant.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The topic of the thread is ALL/Pas.
The OT was translated to Greek, where is the
all/pas in the Law and the prophets to support
"restitution of all things" referring to UR?
Or should I ask, why are you wowing away
the scriptures in a tone of mockery?

Minister Monardo said:

What do you think is being referenced here?
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Not UR, the restoration of
Israel under their national covenant.

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Well... let's actually read it.
Why would "all things" be limited to Israel?

Minister Monardo said:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? They love that scripture.

Isaiah 8:19-20 NIV
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

Saint Steven said:

Well... let's actually read it.
Why would "all things" be limited to Israel?

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It is defined by what the prophets spoke to Israel.
Or what do you think "God spoke by all His
prophets since the world began" is referencing?
You just posted several OT scriptures,
but I see no connection made to universal salvation.
All my posts have been stating is that the "all" in the
verses of the OP speak to God's provision, not man's
actions/reactions.
Why do you think that every soul is entitled to eternal
life? Is it a birthright?

Saint Steven said:

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? They love that scripture.

Isaiah 8:19-20 NIV
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

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So as long as we are not dealing with mediums and
spiritualists, we don't need the confirmation of the
scriptures? That's convenient.
I like that verse because all scriptures are profitable.

FineLinen said:

Pas is indeed an adjective.

Collectively it means some of all types.

Individually it means every one, all things, any, everything.

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And here's your mistake, you're not identifying the noun correctly. Certainly, all means every one. But it is every one of the things spoken by the prophets, not everything in creation. Everything that God said will be done will be completed, which includes the judgment of the wicked in the day of the Lord.

public hermit said:

The Word of God is Christ, who died for all humanity since nothing can separate us from the love of God in Jesus Christ. There can be no arguments against the Word of God; Christ has overcome the world and its arguments. But if you insist, I will have to point to 1 Cor. 15:22 where the word of God, which gives witness to the Word of God, states that "in Christ all will be made alive."

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Wow, you quote the verse and miss the obvious! IN CHRIST all will be made alive! Get it? We MUST be IN CHRIST made alive by His Spirit in us, otherwise we are still of the flesh and will die in our sins. To remain in Adam is to remain of the flesh, and what does Scripture tell us about the flesh? To be in the flesh like Adam is to be natural man, and natural man does not have spiritual life that come only through His Spirit when we are IN CHRIST!

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:46 (KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

rwb said:

Wow, you quote the verse and miss the obvious! IN CHRIST all will be made alive! Get it? We MUST be IN CHRIST made alive by His Spirit in us, otherwise we are still of the flesh and will die in our sins. To remain in Adam is to remain of the flesh, and what does Scripture tell us about the flesh? To be in the flesh like Adam is to be natural man, and natural man does not have spiritual life that come only through His Spirit when we are IN CHRIST!

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:46 (KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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Okay, the flesh profits nothing, except it condemns many to eternal torment forever. (?) That's pretty good profit for evil. It looks like God looses and sin wins. Great gospel guys!! When you have a word of hope, please, say it loud and clear! Until then, be very careful and keep your peace so you don't dishonor God with your ideas.

Minister Monardo said:

Why do you think that every soul is entitled to eternal
life? Is it a birthright?

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Only God is eternal.

Why do you think the majority of souls are entitled to eternal torment?
Sounds like poor planning to me.

God has a wonderful plan for your life...
Since you weren't chosen to be one of the Elect, you will be incinerated.
Better luck next time. Oh wait, there won't be a next time.
Too bad, so sad.

Minister Monardo said:

I like that verse because all scriptures are profitable.

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What scriptures were in existence when that was written?

Saint Steven said:

Why do you think the majority of souls are entitled to eternal torment?
Sounds like poor planning to me.

God has a wonderful plan for your life...
Since you weren't chosen to be one of the Elect, you will be incinerated.
Better luck next time. Oh wait, there won't be a next time.
Too bad, so sad.

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Not my view, but thanks for sharing.
Some bitter words.

FineLinen said:

1 Cor. 15:22
"As in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

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Hello FineLinen, though this has, no doubt, been pointed out already, I don't have the time right now to read through your thread, so this will be a blind post, just FYI. Here is my 2 cents.

Biblically, "all" can mean everything/everywhere, or every single individual, everywhere, for all time. However, "all" can also mean those .. from every nation and tribe and tongue and people (folks from all nations, all tribes, all tongues, all peoples). Biblical shorthand for this latter definition might be, "not the Jews only" (rather, people from the Jewish Nation, and people from the Gentile Nations too).

As for both of the "alls" that are found 1 Corinthians 15:22, "all" includes the following people:

God bless you!!

--David

Saint Steven said:

What scriptures were in existence when that was written?

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you really don't know? you should work on that.

public hermit said:

Okay, the flesh profits nothing, except it condemns many to eternal torment forever.

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Says who?

public hermit said:

That's pretty good profit for evil.

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How does evil 'profit' by destroying flesh?
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Notice "destroyed". Not tormented. The wicked will be
destroyed, this won't be some great number of souls.
Call me silly, but I believe the majority of the world
through history has spent their lives as the oppressed under the hand of cruel oppressors.
God has promised in His word to avenge them all. The poor, the afflicted, the persecuted saint, widow and orphan, Jew. No mention of them having to confess Jesus as Lord and become one of the elect who serve Christ. They are a major focus of the Law and the prophets, so how everyone doesn't know this is baffling. Probably spending too much time debating philosophy. I have covered this in a number of threads on this forum. This talk of Satan winning, evil winning. I don't get that. What I do see throughout the Bible is a God of Righteous Judgment. People Get Ready.

public hermit said:

When you have a word of hope, please, say it loud and clear! Until then, be very careful and keep your peace so you don't dishonor God with your ideas.

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Interesting advice from men of such bitter words.

Minister Monardo said:

you really don't know? you should work on that.

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The NT canon wasn't assembled and approved until the 4th century.
Second Timothy was written in AD 67. (1st century)

public hermit said:

Okay, the flesh profits nothing, except it condemns many to eternal torment forever. (?) That's pretty good profit for evil. It looks like God looses and sin wins. Great gospel guys!! When you have a word of hope, please, say it loud and clear! Until then, be very careful and keep your peace so you don't dishonor God with your ideas.

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Your fight too is against the Word of God. Scripture tells us plainly that all who live and die being of the flesh, and never IN CHRIST will be condemned forever!

Romans 9:8 (KJV) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 9:11-13 (KJV) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Romans 9:16 (KJV) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Romans 9:19-21 (KJV) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Saint Steven said:

The NT canon wasn't assembled and approved until the 4th century.
Second Timothy was written in AD 67. (1st century)

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I actually thought you were referring to time when
Isaiah wrote 8:20 To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
We should wonder what was available when Paul
was ministering, or Isaiah for that matter, for much
seems to have been lost. Did ya know?
1 Kings 4:
32 He spoke three thousand proverbs,
and his songs were one thousand and five.
33 Also he spoke of trees, from the cedar tree of Lebanon even to the hyssop that springs out of the wall; he spoke also of animals, of birds, of creeping things, and of fish.
34 And men of all nations, from all the kings of the earth who had heard of his wisdom, came to hear the wisdom of Solomon.
That is a lot of wisdom to lose track of!

rwb said:

Romans 9:16 (KJV) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

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Oops! How did that sneak in there? Seriously, mercy rather than justice? That cannot be what you meant by that. (but it does support UR) Kudos!

Saint Steven said:

Oops! How did that sneak in there? Seriously, mercy rather than justice? That cannot be what you meant by that. (but it does support UR) Kudos!

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James 2:
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Truth!

Saint Steven said:

Oops! How did that sneak in there? Seriously, mercy rather than justice? That cannot be what you meant by that. (but it does support UR) Kudos!

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Can mercy really be forsaken? If justice demands
this to be so.
Jonah 2:8 Those who regard lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Yikes, the Law and the Prophets!