Maga Republicans & Woke Liberal Extremism

The Barbarian · Sep 22, 2022

JimR-OCDS said:
Some refugees are suing him. Of course, the wealthy on Martha's Vineyard are upset over this.

It wasn't just that he put them on a plane to a place where there was no one ready to receive them or help them. It was just fortunate that the people of Martha's Vineyard stepped up, and a local church provided a kitchen and dining facilities to feed them and give them some rest. The people there are more than upset that DeSantis would do this to refugees from a Marxist dictatorship. He has no shame, apparently. Those refugees were just pawns to be used in his game, the way he saw it.

However, what Desantis did is both good and bad. It's good that the wealthy liberals like here in MA, are now experiencing the suffering the towns along the Mexican Border as going through.

Ironically, the people of Massachusetts seem to support these refugees as much as the people in towns along the border do. It's not surprising that border communities tend to have a lot of empathy for people on the other side. That's just human nature.

The bad is, the left will call this a political stunt using the refugees as pawns.

Go figure. The thing is, he apparently broke some Texas and federal criminal statutes in his haste to play his little joke on people seeking asylum from a Marxist state. That might be harder to ignore than the anger of Americans.

The reality is, they're here illegally

Actually, they aren't. They are here, asking for asylum from that dictatorship.

and don't have a leg to stand on for being sent into the US by the governors.

Depends on whether or not you think interstate human trafficking laws apply to governors.

The federal government was doing the same thing, except allowing them to locate wherever they wished.

Turns out, INS has some leeway, but even there, they can't just arbitrarily ship out people. This one is going to be a little worse for Gov. Ron than his "Top Gun playsuit" video.

The Barbarian · Sep 22, 2022

iarwain said:
There's a recent story out where a guy runs over a teenager with a car because of politics, he thought the teen was part of a Republican extremist group.

That's not quite right. It wasn't that recent. She wasn't a teen, and the driver was part of a republican extremist group:

Charlottesville Jury Convicts 'Unite The Right' Protester Who Killed Woman
Charlottesville Jury Convicts 'Unite The Right' Protester Who Killed Woman

It's not an isolated incident. The number of victims of right-wing terrorists is growing and includes police officers.

After demonstrating they are nothing but a bunch of liars, racists, and haters, it is now obvious progressive liberals are destroying America.
I would like to start an open season on the enemies of America.
It can be during the summer, just before big game fall seasons.
Open hunting Season on Libtards | MoveOn

It's why even Trump's FBI director pointed out that far-right terrorism is the major source of political violence in America:

Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
Earlier this year an intelligence report warned that racially-motivated extremists posed the most lethal domestic terrorism threat. It said the menace was now more serious than potential attacks from overseas, and the White House published a strategy for countering the problem.

The FBI director, Christopher Wray, told Congress that the 6 January insurrection wasn’t an isolated event and “the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a number of years”.

Wray added that white supremacists comprise “the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio overall” and “have been responsible for the most lethal attacks over the last decade”.
Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11

right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study
Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study

iarwain · Sep 22, 2022

The Barbarian said:
That's not quite right. It wasn't that recent. She wasn't a teen, and the driver was part of a republican extremist group:

I understand you're being facetious to make a point, but on the off chance you're not, that's not the case I was talking about:
Man admits to killing 18-year-old after political dispute, court docs allege

As for the rest of your post, you're doing a great job for your leader Biden, by helping him spread the hate.

The Barbarian · Sep 22, 2022

Charlottesville Jury Convicts 'Unite The Right' Protester Who Killed Woman
Charlottesville Jury Convicts 'Unite The Right' Protester Who Killed Woman

iarwain said:
I understand you're being facetious to make a point, but on the off chance you're not, that's not the case I was talking about

Yeah, I know. Just pointing out the selective outrage.

iarwain said:
As for the rest of your post, you're doing a great job for your leader Biden, by helping him spread the hate.

I just had more examples of political violence by right-wing people than you had of left-wing people. Which isn't hard; as you know, political violence by right-wing extremists is much more common.

I'm not surprised that when you mention some leftist getting violent, you think it's fine, but when I remind you that right-wing political violence is a much larger problem, you think it's "spreading the hate."

That's what we've come to expect from Trump and his guys.

JimR-OCDS · Sep 23, 2022

The Barbarian said:
It wasn't just that he put them on a plane to a place where there was no one ready to receive them or help them. It was just fortunate that the people of Martha's Vineyard stepped up, and a local church provided a kitchen and dining facilities to feed them and give them some rest. The people there are more than upset that DeSantis would do this to refugees from a Marxist dictatorship. He has no shame, apparently. Those refugees were just pawns to be used in his game, the way he saw it.

Ironically, the people of Massachusetts seem to support these refugees as much as the people in towns along the border do. It's not surprising that border communities tend to have a lot of empathy for people on the other side. That's just human nature.

Go figure. The thing is, he apparently broke some Texas and federal criminal statutes in his haste to play his little joke on people seeking asylum from a Marxist state. That might be harder to ignore than the anger of Americans.

Actually, they aren't. They are here, asking for asylum from that dictatorship.

Depends on whether or not you think interstate human trafficking laws apply to governors.

Turns out, INS has some leeway, but even there, they can't just arbitrarily ship out people. This one is going to be a little worse for Gov. Ron than his "Top Gun playsuit" video.

There were only 50 people sent to Martha's Vinyard and they had to call in the National Guard. They didn't have a place to house them before they were kicked out to the mainland.

The border towns have to accept tens of thousands who cross the border illegally.

I'm waiting to see if Karmala Harris goes to the border that she claims is secure.

JimR-OCDS · Sep 23, 2022

iarwain said:
That's a possibility, but I don't want to see Trump run. The fact that he could only serve one term is just one reason among many. The main reason I don't want to see him run is because he's too old (Biden's age when he ran), he's too damaged, I don't think he can win, I don't think the elites will let him win, and he creates too much of an anti-Republican backlash. But I fully expect him to run.

If Trump decides to run, Patrick Bet-David predicts that Desantis will wait til 2028.

John Owen · Sep 23, 2022

Laconia79 said:
First off, Biden in his speech was targeting extremist republicans, and most republican's did not seem to understand that. Just like woke liberal's do not seem to hear what common since democrats are saying. I am liberal but in the manner that Bill Maher is. Common Sense Liberalism and Common Sense Conservatives is what is needed in this country. John McCain and Obama were on different political roads but they were able to work together to do there job. Today the only people we here from are the extremist on both sides liberal and conservative and they are interested only in screwing each other instead of doing there job.

I believe common sense people out number the extremist. But there not doing anything, they just burry the heads in the sand. They do not want to bother with it. That is the real problem

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The Barbarian · Sep 23, 2022

JimR-OCDS said:
There were only 50 people sent to Martha's Vinyard and they had to call in the National Guard.

The republican governor sent the guard there to assist the refugees. The people of Martha's Vineyard opened a church to take in the refugees, made them meals, and found them clothing. The Governor decided to offer them accommodations at a nearby military base, which the refugees accepted.

JimR-OCDS said:
They didn't have a place to house them before they were kicked out to the mainland.

The governor didn't "kick" them anywhere. He offered accommodations and the refugees accepted them voluntarily. Not all republicans would have abused those people who were fleeing from a Marxist dictatorship the way DeSantis did.

JimR-OCDS said:
The border towns have to accept tens of thousands who cross the border illegally.

This is why border towns tend to be more accepting of those people. BTW, crime is lower in those places. It turns out those seeking asylum here are more law-abiding than native-born Americans. Look up the violent crime rate in El Paso, and compare to other major cities.

iarwain · Sep 23, 2022

The Barbarian said:
I'm not surprised that when you mention some leftist getting violent, you think it's fine, but when I remind you that right-wing political violence is a much larger problem, you think it's "spreading the hate."

There's too much hate on both sides, but the Dems have a bigger bullhorn, especially with Biden the Great Unifier, and since they effectively control the DOJ. The big problem is dehumanizing the other side. I've seen so many leftists celebrating right wing deaths, like when they were dancing on Rush Limbaugh's grave as a small example.

JimR-OCDS said:
If Trump decides to run, Patrick Bet-David predicts that Desantis will wait til 2028.

Quite possible. If DeSantis ran against Trump, I'm sure Trump would see it as a personal betrayal and things could get really ugly. The way things have been going, I see every election as a last chance for Republicans. So I really hate to see the right waste their opportunity in 2024 by choosing to run Trump. I know he is popular among a lot of people in the party, but I just can't see him winning. Maybe against Harris. Maybe.

The Barbarian · Sep 23, 2022

iarwain said:
There's too much hate on both sides, but the Dems have a bigger bullhorn, especially with Biden the Great Unifier, and since they effectively control the DOJ.

Even under Trump, the DOJ was not a political weapon. IRS Inspector General is currently investigating whether Trump weaponized that agency, or if there was just an astoundingly unlikely event with two of the people he hated. We'll see.

The big problem is dehumanizing the other side. I've seen so many leftists celebrating right wing deaths, like when they were dancing on Rush Limbaugh's grave as a small example.

Limbaugh's death seems to have been mostly ignored. But social media seems to be predominantly fouled by right-wing abuse.

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