Daily Christian Universalist Verses

Jesus is YHWH · Sep 17, 2022

P1LGR1M said:
It does: all that will receive the Gospel.

And we know all will not receive the Gospel.

So if you think all men will be saved that means all men will receive life, right?

John 3:36
King James Version

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Right?

God bless.

It appears this is only a thread where the uni's will only discuss it among themselves without being challenged.

FineLinen · Sep 17, 2022

HSong said:
Gen. 12:3 "All peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

Right from the beginning, it was God’s plan all along to save everyone. A person can not be blessed if they are not saved. Yet, the Bible clearly says that everyone will blessed. Thus, everyone will receive salvation.

Pas radically means ALL.

What He is as Author is completed as Finisher. He completes in perfection everything He has begun!

Der Alte · Sep 17, 2022

HSong said:
Gen. 12:3 "All peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Right from the beginning, it was God’s plan all along to save everyone. A person can not be blessed if they are not saved. Yet, the Bible clearly says that everyone will blessed. Thus, everyone will receive salvation.

This is a text book example of quoting out-of-context. You are right this vs. does say "All peoples on earth will be blessed through you." But wait a gosh darn minute. This is Gen Chap 12. What happened back in Chap 7? Were all those peoples blessed?

Genesis 7:21-23
(21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
(22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
(23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Or what happened to the peoples of Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains. Were they blessed?

Genesis 19:24-25
(24) Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
(25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Then there are all the city/states Israel was commanded to attack and destroy every living thing. Were they blessed?
Do you guys just throw out all the verses which contradict your assumptions/presuppositions?

Der Alte · Sep 17, 2022

Jesus is YHWH said:
It appears this is only a thread where the uni's will only discuss it among themselves without being challenged.

I think all threads are like that. I have started some threads that have faded away with none or very few replies.

Lazarus Short · Sep 17, 2022

Six times in Genesis, chapter 1 it is stated that God saw that what He had created was good. At the end of the sixth day, after the creation of man, “…God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” (Genesis 1:31, KJV).

Saint Steven · Sep 18, 2022

Jesus is YHWH said:
It appears this is only a thread where the uni's will only discuss it among themselves without being challenged.

We prefer peace. But if you prefer war, bring it on.
Blessed are the peace makers... Matthew 5:9

I think there is a forum out there, that you are aware of, that is quite an echo chamber. Where challenges are most unwelcome.

Hmm · Sep 18, 2022

Der Alte said:
I think all threads are like that. I have started some threads that have faded away with none or very few replies.

You have had plenty of feedback about why many here find your copy-pasted posts impossible to reply to. It's your choice whether you take that onboard or not but obviously if you don't, you shouldn't expect anything to change.

Hmm · Sep 18, 2022

Jesus is YHWH said:
It appears this is only a thread where the uni's will only discuss it among themselves without being challenged.

"uni's" are happy to discuss Christian universalism but I think everyone's become bored of addressing the same old silly staw man arguments.

Saint Steven · Sep 18, 2022

I have written in the past about the God who teaches us to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:44; Matthew 5:48)
Would God act by a lower standard than what he expects from us?

Now let's consider mercy. Since it is a sin to be merciless, why would we accuse our loving Father of such a crime? Eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape? Unthinkable. Yet the majority of Christianity carries this flag in their parade.

James 2:12-13 NIV
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

HSong · Sep 18, 2022

Zephaniah 3:15 The Lord hath taken away thy judgments,
he hath cast out thine enemy:
the King of Israel, even the Lord, is in the midst of thee:
thou shalt not see evil any more.

One of the less referenced Bible books, it’s amazing to see how, no matter what book is used, God’s message of Universal Salvation exists through all of them. He promises to us that all evil will no longer be seen, thus showing that everyone will be made to be good. God does not waste. He created us in His image, He will save everyone and make all people righteous.

Der Alte · Sep 18, 2022

Hmm said:
You have had plenty of feedback about why many here find your copy-pasted posts impossible to reply to. It's your choice whether you take that onboard or not but obviously if you don't, you shouldn't expect anything to change.

Oh yes, I have had lots of "feedback," which F.Y.I. I have repeatedly and thoroughly refuted. The standard litany of out-of-context proof texts, e.g. 1 Corinthians 13:15, which absolutely does not say that all mankind will have their, mundane, ordinary, works burned but they will be saved by fire.
And OBTW "copy paste" implies plagiarism. Everything I post is my own work. I always cite my sources. Most of my posts are scripture with some commentary. While they are somewhat repetitive, easily explained when the UR-ites quote the same ol' out-of-context proof texts, over and over, see e.g. 1 Cor 13:15, supra, I don't have to reinvent the wheel, I have already responded to those texts multiple times.
I also realize that many of the hard core UR-ites who post here are almost impossible to reach but there are always new members or people sitting on the fence trying to decide if they want to join or resign from such groups.

Der Alte · Sep 18, 2022

HSong said:
Zephaniah 3:15 The Lord hath taken away thy judgments,
he hath cast out thine enemy:
the King of Israel, even the Lord, is in the midst of thee:
thou shalt not see evil any more.
One of the less referenced Bible books, it’s amazing to see how, no matter what book is used, God’s message of Universal Salvation exists through all of them. He promises to us that all evil will no longer be seen, thus showing that everyone will be made to be good. God does not waste. He created us in His image, He will save everyone and make all people righteous.

Nonsense! Speaking of out-of-context proof texts!
In this vs. God is speaking to the nation of Israel, not all mankind, He has just rescued them from her enemies and is telling them their immediate fate

Zephaniah 3:14-16
(14) Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
(15) The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
(16) In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

Der Alte · Sep 19, 2022

Saint Steven said:
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Saint Steven said:
I have written in the past about the God who teaches us to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:44; Matthew 5:48)
Would God act by a lower standard than what he expects from us?
Now let's consider mercy. Since it is a sin to be merciless, why would we accuse our loving Father of such a crime? Eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape? Unthinkable. Yet the majority of Christianity carries this flag in their parade.
James 2:12-13 NIV
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Is James 2:12-13 supposed to support UR? If so, then it utterly fails!
"Judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful."

HSong · Sep 19, 2022

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

An extremely clear and straightforward message. We are all saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. As simple and direct to the point as it gets!

Der Alte · Sep 19, 2022

HSong said:
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
An extremely clear and straightforward message. We are all saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. As simple and direct to the point as it gets!

Nonsense. Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything, they want it to by quoting selective vss. out-of-context as you have done here.
When Paul wrote this letter to Titus do you think he forgot what he said in the following letters?
Twenty two categories of unrighteous people who have no inheritance in the kingdom of God.1. adulterers, 2. covetous, 3. drunkenness, 4. effeminate, 5. emulations, 6. envious, 7. extortion 8. fornication, 9. hatred, 10. heresies, 11. homosexuals, 12. idolators, 13. lasciviousness, 14. murder, 15. reveling, 16. revilers 17. sedition, 18. strife, 19. thieves, 20. uncleanness 21. witchcraft. 22. Wrath
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Corinthians 3:17

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, [no wrongdoer]shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that [no wrongdoer] no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

HSong · Sep 20, 2022

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Unite is a keyword here. Everyone will be together in Heaven, as He planned out since the beginning because he loves us. All people are sinners, but out of grace, He will bring us all together into salvation.

Der Alte · Sep 20, 2022

HSong said:
Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
Unite is a keyword here. Everyone will be together in Heaven, as He planned out since the beginning because he loves us. All people are sinners, but out of grace, He will bring us all together into salvation.

Right! Here is a verse which says, "As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." We don't have to read anything else this vs. says it all. Or does it? Reading vss. "in context" appears to be a virtual unknown to the UR crowd. Let's try it here.
Who is Paul talking to, all of mankind? Not even close!

Ephesians 1:9-13
(9) making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ
(10) as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
(11) In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
(12) so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
(13) In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

"making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ" Who is us? "Who is "we" vs. 12? Is the entire sinful world going to read this letter? No way, no how!
Paul is addressing the church at Ephesus, "we who were the first to hope in Christ," not all sinful mankind.
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit," Still not talking to all sinful mankind. All sinful mankind has not "heard the word of truth," they have not been saved, or sealed with the Holy Spirit."
When Paul wrote this letter to the church at Ephesus do you think he forgot what he wrote to the churches at Corinth or Galatia and what he will write later to Ephesus? See vs. 5:5. Or vice versa?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, [no wrongdoer]shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that [no wrongdoer] no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Twenty two categories of unrighteous people who Paul says have no inheritance in the kingdom of God.1. adulterers, 2. covetous, 3. drunkenness, 4. effeminate, 5. emulations, 6. envious, 7. extortion 8. fornication, 9. hatred, 10. heresies, 11. homosexuals, 12. idolators, 13. lasciviousness, 14. murder, 15. reveling, 16. revilers 17. sedition, 18. strife, 19. thieves, 20. uncleanness 21. witchcraft. 22. Wrath

FineLinen · Sep 21, 2022

HSong said:
Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Unite is a keyword here. Everyone will be together in Heaven, as He planned out since the beginning because he loves us. All people are sinners, but out of grace, He will bring us all together into salvation.

Our ABBA moves to reunite the ta panta into Himself. The scope is everything in the heavens, earth & underworld.

Nothing is excluded in His mighty plan in the Son of His love.

NOTHING! ! !

Der Alte · Sep 21, 2022

FineLinen said:
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FineLinen said:
Our ABBA moves to reunite the ta panta into Himself. The scope is everything in the heavens, earth & underworld.
Nothing is excluded in His mighty plan in the Son of His love.
NOTHING! ! !

More dusty UR platitudes from the linen closet but no, zero, none scripture.

Der Alte · Sep 21, 2022

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