No Indigenous Children's Bodies Found

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From the OP article;

"From new research revealed at a July 15 press conference last year, the anthropologist scaled back the potential discovery from 215 to 200 “probable burials."

Also from another article;

"Professors in both Canada and the United States have begun questioning a recent study that alleged 215 Indigenous children are buried in unmarked graves near the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia, Canada.

“Frankly, most of this so-called ‘Native Children Genocide’ narrative looks like a political cudgel and a cash cow for social justice activists,” said San Jose State University anthropologist Elizabeth Weiss in an email to The College Fix."

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" Professor Jacques Rouillard pointed out in a recent article in The Dorchester Review, not one actual body has been exhumed from the site. Rouillard argued that without physical evidence, the story of the missing children remains a “thesis.”

Some professors work to debunk ‘Native Children Genocide’ narrative | The College Fix

The Dorchester Review is a crockpot agency that has an axe to grind against the First Nations and is wildly biased against indigenous persons. The College Fix is a conservative news agency that denied COVID existed and said shutdowns and isolation protocols were reactionary and unscientific. In short: they’re trash news sources.

And you keep saying they haven’t exhumed anybody like it’s a big “gotcha.” They will tell you they haven’t exhumed anybody, first because of the mourning period and now because survivors and family members disagree on if they should be exhumed or memorialized where they lay. It’s all public record, you should read it.
 
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She used the LMX 200, which picks up rocks, concrete, and all non-metallic objects.

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UFV Researcher’s Ground-penetrating Work Helped Confirm Unmarked Graves In Kamloops | Abbotsford News
 
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Could have been old wooden or concrete benches, chairs, bedframes, or any kind of lawn ornaments made of pottery, like flower pots, old broken roof tiles, or even excess brick from the construction of the building.

...The LMX 200 cannot differentiate any of these things. It uses "radar".

 
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"unmarked graves" != "mass grave"

The schools were run for 150 years. During that time, approximately 2-3% of all children in the system perished (4,000 / 150,000) and were generally buried at the sites.

By comparison with other dilapidated former school sites, the school's former cemetery may well have been found.
 
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The Dorchester Review is a crockpot agency that has an axe to grind against the First Nations and is wildly biased against indigenous persons. The College Fix is a conservative news agency that denied COVID existed and said shutdowns and isolation protocols were reactionary and unscientific. In short: they’re trash news sources.

And you keep saying they haven’t exhumed anybody like it’s a big “gotcha.” They will tell you they haven’t exhumed anybody, first because of the mourning period and now because survivors and family members disagree on if they should be exhumed or memorialized where they lay. It’s all public record, you should read it.

According to you, but then, let us know when a body is discovered in the alleged burial site.

Until then, the majority of anthropologists and media sources say it's false.
 
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the majority of anthropologists and media sources say it's false.
What is your source for this claim? I'm only finding denial reports coming from obscure sources, some far right media, or tabloids like the NY Post. I haven't found any legitimate media sources denying that there are children buried the Kamloops site. Also, the Canadian Anthropology Society which represents over 500 anthropologists worldwide acknowledges the presence of children buried at the school.

Statement on the Burial of Children at the Kamloops Indian Residential School

May 31, 2021 The Canadian Anthropology Society (CASCA) acknowledges the pain caused by the finding of the remains of 215 children at the Kamloops Indian Residential School. We are profoundly saddened and angered by this tragic news and understand that the death and disappearances of children were known and, yet, rarely believed or accepted by Canadians. We remember all survivors of residential schools and grieve with the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc people, and all First Nations communities, whose children attended the school and suffered such unimaginable loss.

https://www.cas-sca.ca/images/TRC_and_Residential_School_Graves_-_Press_Release.pdf
 
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According to you, but then, let us know when a body is discovered in the alleged burial site.

According to me and everybody else that has even a passing understanding of science and history. And bones have been discovered: a rib, a femur, and a tooth, hence the investigation.

Until then, the majority of anthropologists and media sources say it's false.

No, two fringe websites say it. Not quite the same.
 
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So, IOW, this story was just mass hysteria against Christianity in general specially Catholicism? Why doesn't this surprise me?

No, not even slightly. The scientific consensus and the government consensus is that is the site of 215 bodies of children. Some have tried to pretend it’s not for reasons passing understanding, others have attempted to sanitize it by saying they’re unmarked graves as opposed to mass graves, but the reality is it’s the burial site of children stolen and never returned to grieving families.
 
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1. The report on finding the bodies stated that the burials were more consistent with a mass burial and not an organized cemetery that had been de-marked.

2. Even if they were in a cemetery and the markers removed, how on earth is that better? Would you want your child taken to a school where 200+ children died between 1919 and 1970? You don’t think 4-5 child mortalities a year (those are just the ones not returned home, the average is surely more when you figure on the ones who had claimed bodies) for a school is a tad high? Or would you be ok if a children’s cemetery just had their markers removed and forgotten? If your kids were put into a school for Islam where they unlearn how to be Christian and embrace a Muslim heritage for the sake of fitting in and then they died, would you think it fine they were buried there and their grave markers removed and cemetery forgotten?
 
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Truth and Reconciliation Commission: By the numbers | CBC News

Years the residential schools program operated: 1883 - 1996 [113 years]

Total number of schools over time: 139 [~1080 students per school = 9-10 enrolled each year]

Peak number of schools operating at the same time: 80, in 1931

Share of the schools operated by the Roman Catholic Church: up to 60 per cent

Total First Nations, Métis, and Inuit children placed in residential schools: more than 150,000

Estimated number of residential schools student deaths: over 6,000, according to TRC chair Justice Murray Sinclair [~43 per school = 1 per 2-3 years]

Odds of a student dying over the life of the program: 1 in 25 (if 6,000) [= 4% = 4/100 = 40/1000 ]

Canada: child mortality rate 1830-2020 | Statista

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Year of that report: 2015
Number of deaths based off bodies reported, buried, or returned to family through the length of the school opening: 51
How many potential deaths: “Likely higher and impossible to determine.”
Status of what occurred according to the report: “systemic abduction, abuse, negligence, and death in a government coordinated cultural genocide.”

Discovery of the burials: 2021
Number of findings that are consistent with bodies: 215
Number of points-of-confirmation (may be graves but unsure): 21
Dates of the burials: 1919 (when the land was cleared) to 1971
Year school was fined by the government for starving students: 1910
Year school had students sleeping outdoors in the winter when it was 14 degrees: 1924-25
Year a government report said the buildings in the school were “decrepit:” 1927
Year University of BC gave a statement acknowledging more than the average students had contracted influenza and died/seriously I’ll but said it wasn’t anything to worry about: 1958
Year child femur was found on site: 1991
Year a child’s tooth was found on site: 1997
Year a child’s rib bone was found on site: 2003
Year a child supervisor admitted to sexually abusing more than 4 dozen children as part of human trafficking: Early 1990s
Years in jail: 3

Excavation of probable burial sites at Tk'emlups yet to be undertaken - Kamloops This Week

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...-to-attend-kamloops-indian-residential-school

Kamloops History: The dark and difficult legacy of the Kamloops Indian Residential School - Kamloops This Week

TRC Website - NCTR
 
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"the graves were marked at one time, but that the Roman Catholic Church that operated the school had removed the markers"


Same story as the Kamloops Indian residential school story. Radar was used, but no bodies have turned up. Media ran with the original story and even America Magazine ran with it. No surprise there. However, later statements by archeologists and scientists provide reasons to be skeptical.


No remains unearthed yet from Canada’s residential school grave sites – Catholic World Report
 
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Further analysis by award-winning Canadian journalist Terry Glavin, who's covered First Nations issues extensively:

The year of the graves: How the world’s media got it wrong on residential school graves | National Post

You can hear his interview with Bari Weiss on her podcast recently too. From that interview, he summarized the topic of truth in media and public discourse more broadly: “It’s not just that the truth doesn’t matter anymore. It’s that it doesn’t matter that the truth doesn’t matter.”

He does a good job providing an overview of First Nations history in Canada, up to and including the current hysteria, given zero bodies found.
 
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Perhaps the outpouring of compassion for indigenous children who (thankfully) stopped experiencing these traumas decades ago could overflow into further compassion for other children currently experiencing strikingly similar circumstances today -- forcible separation from parents whose culture (homeschooling, antivaxxer) is deemed unacceptable with employment of severe and even health affecting disciplinary measures -- throughout Kansas, Missouri, and surrounding states, in 2022
 
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