How dangerous is today's democratic party.

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It’s not really a counter as you raised no points (beyond your own opinion) and submitted no links.
It's a counter to another thread exactly the same but one word. Democrat/republican. Look it up. I can't understand how you all can be so blind to the facts of the destruction of the country by the Dems.
 
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You mean stuff like this and the people who facilitate it with their weak position on crime? Or what about that poor Dominican man that worked in the New York Bodega a few months back, who recently went back to his home country because it was safer, after wrongly being charged with attempted murder etc. for rightfully defending himself from robbery and assault?

That's all you got?
 
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Dems have fought the wall since day one. Sure, the Dems want immigration, that's why the wall is open to let in all the illegals. There was no inflation until Biden. Since when is Biden doing anything about crime???
Biden is doing terrible and polling poorly. By all expectations there should be a red wave in the midterms. But Republicans are blowing it.
 
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That's all you got?

Nope

Just some of the worst cases of recent memory.

If you study social psychology and communications, you often don't improve a case or a message by having lots of examples. In the minds of people, you often are better going with your best most vivid examples, if you just throw out lots of stuff in the minds of most people (not experts of a field) they basically will just average everything out and you will dilute your argument rather than strengthen it.
 
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It's a counter to another thread exactly the same but one word. Democrat/republican. Look it up. I can't understand how you all can be so blind to the facts of the destruction of the country by the Dems.

That version included links to an article. This just feels like “I’m triggered by that thread so I’m making a reactionary thread.”
 
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Have you looked at the economy lately? Moral decay? Their fight for the death of babies? The list goes on. The proof is out there for everyone to see.
With all of the problems of the Democrats,, they still look like angels compared to today's GOP.
 
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Let's see... inflation going down... gas pricies falling rapidly... unemployment down to pre-Trump levels... Yeah, that's about it.



It's dropped down to 8.5 in July. In fact inflation for the month was zero. I don't see how that's a bad thing, either.
Those rose colored glasses you look through keep everything looking up.
 
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Unfortunately Republicans are not focusing on crime, immigration, inflation and issues voters care about and Democrats have a 4 point lead in generic polls. If Republicans don't get their act together there will be no red wave.

Crime is not a good thing to work on. It shot up under Trump after declining markedly under Obama:

The violent crime rate fell nearly 16% from 2008, before Biden’s vice presidency, to 2016, his last full year as vice president. A crime analyst found that in some cities, the total number of murders has gone up at least 26% in 2020 compared to the same timeframe in 2019 (experts said the crime rate likely would also be up about 26%).
Fact check: Biden says crime fell under Obama, rose under Trump :: WRAL.com

Not that it's all Trump's fault; presidents don't really affect crime rates as much as people think.

As inflation goes down, that isn't going to be a big thing, either. It looks like the stolen classified documents issue is going to be a big thing as is increasing republican calls to defund the FBI (which runs down terrorist threats, human trafficking and the like). I don't think most Americans are going to like that idea.

All this stuff is what's fueling the increase in the public's rising regard for democrats and falling regard for republicans. Incredibly, it looks like the democrats might actually gain seats in the Senate, and it doesn't look like the usual mid-term blowout for the House at this point.

As you suggest, the republicans can still turn this around by finding issues the public cares about. But it needs to happen soon.
 
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Just facts. I'm thinking that those things are driving the shift in public opinion. What do you think it is?
I think Republicans have shot themselves in the foot as usual and have not focused on the issues that voters care about.
 
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Crime is not a good thing to work on. It shot up under Trump after declining markedly under Obama:

The violent crime rate fell nearly 16% from 2008, before Biden’s vice presidency, to 2016, his last full year as vice president. A crime analyst found that in some cities, the total number of murders has gone up at least 26% in 2020 compared to the same timeframe in 2019 (experts said the crime rate likely would also be up about 26%).
Fact check: Biden says crime fell under Obama, rose under Trump :: WRAL.com

Not that it's all Trump's fault; presidents don't really affect crime rates as much as people think.

As inflation goes down, that isn't going to be a big thing, either. It looks like the stolen classified documents issue is going to be a big thing as is increasing republican calls to defund the FBI (which runs down terrorist threats, human trafficking and the like). I don't think most Americans are going to like that idea.

All this stuff is what's fueling the increase in the public's rising regard for democrats and falling regard for republicans. Incredibly, it looks like the democrats might actually gain seats in the Senate, and it doesn't look like the usual mid-term blowout for the House at this point.

As you suggest, the republicans can still turn this around by finding issues the public cares about. But it needs to happen soon.
"The violent crime rate fell nearly 16% from 2008, before Biden’s vice presidency, to 2016, his last full year as vice president. A crime analyst found that in some cities, the total number of murders has gone up at least 26% in 2020 compared to the same timeframe in 2019 (experts said the crime rate likely would also be up about 26%)."

I wonder what happened in 2020 that was responsible for the murder rate going up?
And crime is an issue the Republicans should be focusing on
U.S. Crime Is Still Dramatically Higher Than Before the Pandemic
 
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Dems have fought the wall since day one.

For obvious reasons...

Many Illegal Immigrants Arrive Legally
The focus is often on those who enter illegally, but experts say more than 40% of the estimated 11 million undocumented people overstayed their visas
Many Illegal Immigrants Arrive Legally

Parts Of Trump’s Border Wall Are Already Crumbling To Pieces
Parts Of Trump's Border Wall Are Already Crumbling To Pieces - The Ring of Fire Network

A new section of President Donald Trump's signature wall along the US-Mexico border has been blown over in strong winds, US officials say.

Steel panels from the fence in the town of Calexico, California were knocked down on Wednesday morning.

Trump's wall: Winds blow over section of US-Mexico border fence

Who would have guessed that there would be 40 mph winds along the border?

Border Wall Built by Trump’s Hand-Picked Contractor Is ‘in Danger of Falling into the Rio Grande’
Tommy Fisher’s Border Wall In Danger of Falling into Rio Grande | Law & Crime


Bannon bilked donors out of money "to build the wall"

It has been asked, repeatedly, whether the grifts of Donald Trump and the people around him would ever catch up with them. On Thursday, they caught up to Bannon. Federal prosecutors in New York announced that Bannon and three other men were being indicted for alleged fraud and money laundering for their role in a scheme that, even in a Bond film, might feel too on the nose. For the past two years, Bannon and his accomplices ran an online fund-raising campaign called We Build the Wall, whose nominal purpose was to raise the money for the monument to nativism that Trump had promised to build on the southern border. Trump had also promised that Mexico would pay for the wall. But, when those funds proved unforthcoming, and his various attempts to strong-arm Congress into giving him the money mostly failed, too, Bannon and his gang stepped forward to ask the very people who’d been thrilled by the notion of a “big, beautiful wall” to shell out. According to the government, the group raised more than twenty-five million dollars, and promised “not to take a penny in salary or compensation.” Then they pocketed a bunch of the money. Bannon allegedly routed more than a million dollars through a nonprofit he controls. One of his co-defendants, Brian Kolfage, allegedly used his share of the money to buy, among other things, a boat called Warfighter.
The Stunning Predictability of Steve Bannon’s “We Build the Wall” Scam

Just a few of the reasons.
 
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I think Republicans have shot themselves in the foot as usual and have not focused on the issues that voters care about.

Democrats do that, too. Biden had to reassure Americans that he didn't want to defund the police, after some far-left guys were doing that. Now, we see the same thing from the far-right extremists. Wouldn't it be great if there was just a "normal American" party?
 
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Democrats do that, too. Biden had to reassure Americans that he didn't want to defund the police, after some far-left guys were doing that. Now, we see the same thing from the far-right extremists. Wouldn't it be great if there was just a "normal American" party?
Both sides have pushed to extremes. One side wants unrestricted abortions up to birth with government funding and the other side wants abortion to be illegal with no exceptions. I don't think either of these is the position of most Americans.
 
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There was no inflation until Biden.
There was no covid till Trump.

The obvious point is that correlation does entail causation. Perhaps Biden has little to no control over inflation.

If you can make a credible argument connecting inflation to Mr. Biden, please do so.
 
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I wonder what happened in 2020 that was responsible for the murder rate going up?

Tolerance for and encouragement of political violence by some of our elected officials. And the rise of right-wing terrorism, as noted by Trump's FBI director:

Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
The FBI director, Christopher Wray, told Congress that the 6 January insurrection wasn’t an isolated event and “the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a number of years”.

Wray added that white supremacists comprise “the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio overall” and “have been responsible for the most lethal attacks over the last decade”.

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...The dozen lethal far-right terrorist attacks during the Trump administration killed a total of 48 people and injured 59, and included antisemitic and anti-immigrant violence.
Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
 
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Tolerance for and encouragement of political violence by some of our elected officials. And the rise of right-wing terrorism, as noted by Trump's FBI director:

Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
The FBI director, Christopher Wray, told Congress that the 6 January insurrection wasn’t an isolated event and “the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a number of years”.

Wray added that white supremacists comprise “the biggest chunk of our domestic terrorism portfolio overall” and “have been responsible for the most lethal attacks over the last decade”.

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...The dozen lethal far-right terrorist attacks during the Trump administration killed a total of 48 people and injured 59, and included antisemitic and anti-immigrant violence.
Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
114 people killed in 20 years? There are 600 people killed in Chicago in 1 year and not by white supremacists. That article is a joke. Shootings, Homicides Down This Year, But Chicago Still on Pace to Top 600 Killings in 2022: Police
 
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