Condemnation linked with justification

FineLinen said:

The Lord making all new is an unprecedented happening flowing to a creation that has wandered far away. Fortunately, Yah specializes in radical dimensions of grandeur.

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I think you have a rather romantic notion of what is and what will be. I'll leave such emotional fiction to the realms of novels thanks.

You have a great day.

FineLinen said:

Our God is the great Lover of His world. He loves it so greatly, beyond our wildest imagination. That love flows out of Him in restoration to all that is lost.

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Romance and compassion are not the same things. God's love isn't some "warm fuzzy" He pours out on the world. It is based on His integrity which is His character (fruit of the Spirit) which in turn motivates His actions which are right and just.

Those whom Christ does not know (unbelievers) are not in Christ, they are sent away.

Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

They will never bow their knee in reverence. They prefer darkness.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Shocking there are people like that, but that is the reality.

God doesn't make men believe in Him. He shows them the truth like in Romans 1:19 and enables them to decide for themselves whether they agree with Him of not.

FineLinen said:

Our God does not dwell in the world of "warm fuzzy". He speaks out of Himself in overtures that change & transform every sinner from every dimension.

The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases.

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Why do you find it impossible to believe that some people love darkness rather than light? And why do you insist God must save these people even though they want nothing to do with Him?

FineLinen said:

Mankind in the old man state hates the light.

God, whose defining essence of LOVE, SPIRIT & FIRE, never gives up until He has reached His pre-determined objective. EVER

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Man in his fallen state cannot see the light. He is oblivious to God's very existence. This is why the Lord must make Himself known. First contact is through the natural creation.

Romans 1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

The Spirit works in the world to make known sin, righteousness and judgment, not to make you believe one way or the other. That choice is yours. Not everyone prefers the dark. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. When the Lord reveals Himself to someone, He suppresses the sin nature momentarily so they are free, like Adam was free in the garden, to decide for themselves if they will believe the word of God or reject it.

It's not a question of giving up. It's a matter of fulfillment. The end objective is not "salvation at all costs" but to prove beyond doubt the word of God is true and without fault. This is why Christ is elevated above all for He is the Word made flesh, who died and rose again and is now glorified.

God cannot save someone who continually rejects Him for to do so would be to break His own word to us. You cannot call evil, good, anymore than you can call good, evil.

Christ will have nothing to do with unbelievers, he sends them packing.

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

If, as you say, God is love, spirit and fire then how will unbelievers be saved? The love of God has not been shed abroad in their hearts for they do not have the Spirit. That only leaves fire and the only thing fire can do is burn away the rubbish.

Romans 5:5
and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us.

Furthermore, it is the Gospel that is the power of God unto salvation yet those who adhere to universal salvation must necessarily declare the Gospel isn't good enough, some will also need the lake of fire to "come to their senses".

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

At the end of the day, all I'm hearing from you is wishful thinking on your part that you repeat with little or no practical answers to the problem of evil. So be it.

Have a nice day.

FineLinen said:

It's not a question of giving up. It's a matter of fulfillment. The end objective is not "salvation at all costs"

The fulfillment is His satisfaction with His flawless plan of the ages. Our satisfaction comes as we are aligned within Him.

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Yes, but you have given the impression you think everyone will align themselves with Him whether they want to or not. God can be resisted you know, it will lead to a fiery judgement of course, from which there is no end.

Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

Will you make Jesus a liar now and say these same ones will stop resisting in some unseen future?

FineLinen said:

No mere flesh, or any entity, resists the God of glory forever. They must surrender to the Will of all wills!

Keep on giving your thanks to God, for he is so good! His constant, tender love lasts forever! Let all his princely people sing, “His constant, tender love lasts forever!” Let all his holy priests sing, “His constant, tender love lasts forever!” Let all his lovers who bow low before him sing, “His constant, tender love lasts forever!” Out of my deep anguish and pain I prayed, and God, you helped me as a father. You came to my rescue and broke open the way into a beautiful and broad place. ~TPT

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Then I guess "always" doesn't mean always?

Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

Will you make Jesus a liar now and say these same ones will stop resisting in some unseen future?

Cat got your tongue hey?

FineLinen said:

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" You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom you have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth."

The fact is every last knee bows, every tongue confesses, ln union within His Name!

Not by perfunctory genuflections: NOT!

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Yes, every knee of those who belong to Christ will bow but not all belong to Christ. Evil is removed. Those whom Christ never knew, are sent away. They do not return at a later date to be united with Him. The second death is permanent.

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

FineLinen said:

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld.

ALL in spontaneous worship in/en His Name![/b[

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Submission to authority does not always equate to love of authority. The Phillipians 2 passage does not speak of worship. It speaks of bending the knee and acknowledging the truth. The fact it includes angels in the mix shows this is not about salvation as Christ did not die for angels, good or bad. It is about authority. Trying to use it as a message of universal salvation is to take it out of it's context.

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

Acts 7:54
When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.

It means they were deeply offended (cut to the heart) and angry (gnashed their teeth) which is why they proceeded to stone Stephen. This is not an attitude of remorse or willingness to accept the truth. They resisted the truth Stephen was telling them proving his words true they always resisted.

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire is not redemptive. You cannot salvage gold from ore when it has no gold to begin with. Those who think that somehow the lake will change people's minds are Alchemists trying to turn lead into gold. We may as well believe in the Philosopher's Stone if that be the case.

FineLinen said:

The passage clearly enunciates this submission brings glory to the Father. The scope is all beings in all dimensions of Father's realm. It is NOT "at" the Name, but in/en His blessed Name. Assuming you grasp what it means to be in Christ, should be an immense help.

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I grasp the concept "in" Christ, not sure you do though seeing as you want to place angels and demons "in" Christ.

Not to mention the amount of scripture you have to dismiss to make your theory hold up.

Honestly, if that's the best you can do, I'll leave you with it.