Condemnation linked with justification

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"He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One. It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. In Him we have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will, so that we should be devoted to the extolling of His glorious attributes--we who were the first to fix our hopes on Christ. ~R.F.Weymouth

Chose us to be in Christ based on what?
 
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Hisgracious will and pleasure.

Based on His foreknowledge.

Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Every single thing God does, like making the rain to fall on the good and bad alike, is done on the basis of His grace and perfect will.

Not all believers have been placed in Christ.

Our will doesn't do anything except agree or disagree but if you think human volition plays no part in God's plan, you would be sadly mistaken.
 
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Based on His foreknowledge.

Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Every single thing God does, like making the rain to fall on the good and bad alike, is done on the basis of His grace and perfect will.

Not all believers have been placed in Christ.

Our will doesn't do anything except agree or disagree but if you think human volition plays no part in God's plan, you would be sadly mistaken.

Human will is exactly that, human.

The root of human is hummus.

Hummus = dirt

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures."

Opened= dianago =

To open thoroughly what had been closed.
 
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Human will is exactly that, human.

The root of human is hummus.

Hummus = dirt

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures."

Opened= dianago =

To open thoroughly what had been closed.

What has that got to do with what I said?
 
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What has that got to do with what I said?

"Our will doesn't do anything except agree or disagree but if you think human volition plays no part in God's plan, you would be sadly mistaken."

Take 2 =

Human will is exactly that, human.

The root of human is hummus.

Hummus = dirt

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures."

Opened= dianago =

To open thoroughly what had been closed.
 
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The fact is Sawdust, the will of mankind is busticated. It has been made subject to futility "not willingly", but by reason of Him, (the Will of all wee wills) who made it so.

At-one-ment is the Road that rectifies the wee wills with Yah!

So we're just a bunch of puppets? God's fault if we believe, God's fault if we don't believe?

The grace of God can make us spiritually alive, seal us, empower us to not sin, raise our bodies from the dead but can't manage to make our volition functionally free for a moment in time to respond to the Gospel of our own free will?

:doh:

Have a nice day.
 
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So we're just a bunch of puppets? God's fault if we believe, God's fault if we don't believe?

Surely you jest. Our glorious Father never fails. He is the Author & Perfecter of ALL. In the beginning it was good, in the ending it is good.

I make all things new.
 
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Surely you jest. Our glorious Father never fails. He is the Author & Perfecter of ALL. In the beginning it was good, in the ending it is good.

I make all things new.

Your "flash card" responses makes it difficult but to assume that is what you must mean. He can do so much but can't make our volition functional, even for a second. :scratch:

It's a pity you don't recognise that when He makes the new eternal creation, evil has been judged and separated out of the existing creation before "all is made new".
 
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Your "flash card" responses makes it difficult but to assume that is what you must mean. He can do so much but can't make our volition functional, even for a second. :scratch:

It's a pity you don't recognise that when He makes the new eternal creation, evil has been judged and separated out of the existing creation before "all is made new".

God our Father specializes in impossible. Nothing is impossible with Him, including our stubborn little wiiis.

Focus on the little word 'In".

Every knee bows in/en Him.
 
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God our Father specializes in impossible. Nothing is impossible with Him, including our stubborn little wiiis.

Focus on the little word 'In".

Every knee bows in/en Him.

Please quote the verse you are talking about so I can know if it is the one I think it is please.
 
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Please quote the verse you are talking about so I can know if it is the one I think it is please.

The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father!
 
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The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father!

I asked you to supply the verse in question. If it is the one I think, you have the context wrong.
 
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The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father!
I asked you to supply the verse in question. If it is the one I think, you have the context wrong.

en=

In / by

The name =onoma =

Used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name.

Jesus = iēsous =

Jehovah is salvation.

Our Iēsous is salvation. He is not potential salvation: He IS salvation!
 
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In / by

The name =onoma =

Used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name.

Jesus = iēsous =

Jehovah is salvation.

Our Iēsous is salvation. He is not potential salvation: He IS salvation!

If you can't supply the verse stop responding because you could be doing nothing more than making guesses if we don't know what you are referring to.

He is salvation for those who believe.
 
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"The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm. And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,” bringing glory and honor to God, his Father! ~TPT



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In / by

The name = onoma =

Used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name.

Jesus = iēsous =

Jehovah is salvation.

Our Iēsous is salvation. He is not potential salvation: He IS salvation!
If you can't supply the verse stop responding because you could be doing nothing more than making guesses if we don't know what you are referring to.

He is salvation for those who believe.

Please turn to the book of Phii, chapter 2 (two). If you would like a few translations, I will assist, just rattle my old bones. (LOL)
 
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It's a pity you don't recognise that when He makes the new eternal creation, evil has been judged and separated out of the existing creation before "all is made new".

The Lord making all new is an unprecedented happening flowing to a creation that has wandered far away. Fortunately, Yah specializes in radical dimensions of grandeur.

"In love he chose us before he laid the foundation of the universe! Because of his great love, he ordained us, so that we would be seen as holy in his eyes with an unstained innocence. For it was always in his perfect plan to adopt us as his delightful children, through our union with Jesus, the Anointed One, so that his tremendous love that cascades over us would glorify his grace —for the same love he has for the Beloved, Jesus, he has for us. And this unfolding plan brings him great pleasure!Since we are now joined to Christ, we have been given the treasures of redemption by his blood—the total cancellation of our sins—all because of the cascading riches of his grace. This superabundant grace is already powerfully working in us, releasing all forms of wisdom and practical understanding. And through the revelation of the Anointed One, he unveiled his secret desires to us—the hidden mystery of his long-range plan, which he was delighted to implement from the very beginning of time. And because of God’s unfailing purpose, this detailed plan will reign supreme through every period of time until the fulfillment of all the ages finally reaches its climax—when God makes all things new in all of heaven and earth through Jesus Christ." ~TPT
 
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