Are you mixing the 2 Gospels together?

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accursed = anathema = a (religious) ban or excommunicated:--accused, anathema, curse.
People of one assembly can't excommunicate the people of another assembly.
Otherwise, it'd be like Paul going to Pontus and bossing Peter's flock around.
The fact is that, in Galatia, both Paul and Peter were preaching.

And if they had been preaching the same gospel, then Paul's wouldn't have been a revelation special for him... it would've been common knowledge long before Paul got back from Arabia.

In fact, can we ever see Messiah preaching the "inclusion of gentiles" and "imputation" and "reckoning" doctrines, and the "myteries" given by Paul?

What we CAN see is the opposite: Matthew 10:5-7, Matthew 15:24... "only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" was the "Gospel of the Reign of Heaven" taught.

So it is one gospel, and if anyone teaches another gospel.. let him be accursed.

Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies: bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you;[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.

Definitely two very different gospels.

It was Messiah's plan to minister to Israel directly, and then send apostles to spread the gospel of His kingdom to the world.
Matthew 28

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:48-50, John 7:16-17, and John 17:6-8... say that Ιησους words came from the Father. Matthew 21:37 last of all He sent His Son, to His vineyard to gather the fruits of the Reign of God. Those fruits were gathered from the field already white with harvest, from Matthew 9:35-38, in Matthew 10:5-7... by His 12 Disciples of Galilee.
It's from the Father, back to the Father John 12:44-47, through the Risen Lord, to His Disciples, and "those who believe on Him through their word", John 17:20, John 10:16.

mystery doesn't mean Paul was verbally spoke to by the Holy Spirit things that were brand new and not in the bible.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1 Corinthians 2:7-10 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[10] But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Ephesians 3:4-6 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Colossians 1:26-27 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[27] To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

That's not how the Holy Spirit works when Jesus described what the Holy Spirit would do in John 14

Which isn't at all what the spirit does in Paul's gospel.

The "gifts of the spirit" aren't found in the Father's Gospel.


For example, with regards to the Gospel of Jesus being spread to the gentiles:
Isaiah 11

Probably depends on which Bible Version... and the context.

Isaiah 11:1-13 And there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a blossom shall come up from his root:[2] and the Spirit of God shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and strength, the spirit of knowledge and godliness shall fill him;[3] the spirit of the fear of God. He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report:[4] but He shall judge the cause of the lowly, and shall reprove the lowly of the earth. And He shall smite the earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall he destroy the ungodly one. ...[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.[11] And it shall be in that day, that the Lord shall again shew His hand, to be zealous for the remnant that is left of the people, which shall be left by the Assyrians, and that from Egypt, and from the country of Babylon, and from Ethiopia, and from the Elamites, and from the rising of the sun, and out of Arabia.[12] And He shall lift up a standard for the nations, and he shall gather the (απολομένους) lost ones of Israel, and He shall gather the (διεσπαρμένους) dispersed of Juda from the four corners of the earth.[13] And the envy of Ephraim shall be taken away, and the enemies of Juda shall perish: Ephraim shall not envy Juda, and Juda shall not afflict Ephraim.LXX
 
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Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies: bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you;[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.

Definitely two very different gospels.



Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:48-50, John 7:16-17, and John 17:6-8... say that Ιησους words came from the Father. Matthew 21:37 last of all He sent His Son, to His vineyard to gather the fruits of the Reign of God. Those fruits were gathered from the field already white with harvest, from Matthew 9:35-38, in Matthew 10:5-7... by His 12 Disciples of Galilee.
It's from the Father, back to the Father John 12:44-47, through the Risen Lord, to His Disciples, and "those who believe on Him through their word", John 17:20, John 10:16.



Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1 Corinthians 2:7-10 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[10] But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Ephesians 3:4-6 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Colossians 1:26-27 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[27] To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Already hidden in scripture, and revealed in it by the Spirit.
Not mysticism, but scripture.




Which isn't at all what the spirit does in Paul's gospel.

It is, and if Paul had been seemingly making up new doctrine outside of what the bible had already revealed (but perhaps in a veiled way) the Bereans would have cried that Paul was a false teacher and heretic. But they searched the scriptures, found what Paul referred to, examined in light of the revealed Messiah, and said "Paul is telling the truth". That means the doctrine was already in the bible.

The "gifts of the spirit" aren't found in the Father's Gospel.
They're not specified but the holy spirit being in believers is taught in Ezekiel 36:26-27 and Jeremiah 31:31-33

Paul illuminated that which was already in scripture.

Probably depends on which Bible Version... and the context.

Isaiah 11:1-13 And there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a blossom shall come up from his root:[2] and the Spirit of God shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and strength, the spirit of knowledge and godliness shall fill him;[3] the spirit of the fear of God. He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report:[4] but He shall judge the cause of the lowly, and shall reprove the lowly of the earth. And He shall smite the earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall he destroy the ungodly one. ...[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.[11] And it shall be in that day, that the Lord shall again shew His hand, to be zealous for the remnant that is left of the people, which shall be left by the Assyrians, and that from Egypt, and from the country of Babylon, and from Ethiopia, and from the Elamites, and from the rising of the sun, and out of Arabia.[12] And He shall lift up a standard for the nations, and he shall gather the (απολομένους) lost ones of Israel, and He shall gather the (διεσπαρμένους) dispersed of Juda from the four corners of the earth.[13] And the envy of Ephraim shall be taken away, and the enemies of Juda shall perish: Ephraim shall not envy Juda, and Juda shall not afflict Ephraim.LXX

I got the same meaning out of your version of Isaiah 11:10
That the Gentiles would follow the Messiah.
 
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The other thing to remember about Paul is what Peter had to say about his teachings

2 Peter 3
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

That is, that Peter agreed with Paul's letters, but warned that some people who were unknowledgeable about scripture would twist what Paul was saying into something else.
 
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The other thing to remember about Paul is what Peter had to say about his teachings

2 Peter 3


That is, that Peter agreed with Paul's letters, but warned that some people who were unknowledgeable about scripture would twist what Paul was saying into something else.

Several men, same name:

2 Peter 1:1 (Συμεὼν) Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name [was] (Συμεὼν) Simeon; and the same man [was] just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Acts of the Apostles 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and (Συμεὼν) Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts of the Apostles 15:13-14 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:[14] (Συμεὼν) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and (Σίμων) Simon, and Judas?
Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Acts of the Apostles 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas,
Acts of the Apostles 14:14 [Which] when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard [of], they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts of the Apostles 1:13 Judas [the brother] of James.
Acts of the Apostles 4:6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
Acts of the Apostles 12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled [their] ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.
 
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Several men, same name:

2 Peter 1:1 (Συμεὼν) Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name [was] (Συμεὼν) Simeon; and the same man [was] just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Acts of the Apostles 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and (Συμεὼν) Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts of the Apostles 15:13-14 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:[14] (Συμεὼν) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and (Σίμων) Simon, and Judas?
Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Acts of the Apostles 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas,
Acts of the Apostles 14:14 [Which] when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard [of], they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts of the Apostles 1:13 Judas [the brother] of James.
Acts of the Apostles 4:6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
Acts of the Apostles 12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled [their] ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

Peter was not referring to a different Paul... he is referring to the Paul who was writing Epistles that people often twist to their own destruction... none other than the Apostle Paul, who people tend to exalt too highly thinkine he preached a special message independent of the whole counsel of God, people who see a "Gospel of Paul" rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. you're falling into the same trap.

Paul taught from the Old Testament and every one of his doctrines can be found in the Old Testament but it can be veiled, that is why Peter said the people who twist Paul's epistles are unlearned. They were people who took Paul's epistles in a vacuum and did not study all the scripture, which Paul himself said to study all scripture.

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

There's not some extra super special Gospel of Paul. Paul himself would rebuke you for making such a claim.
There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
That's the only good news, that the Messiah came as the scriptures promised, the Messiah died for your sins as the scriptures promised (Isaiah 53, Daniel 9), the Messiah rose from the dead and ascended to the right hand of God the Father as the scriptures promised (also Isaiah 53), and the Messiah will come again as the scriptures promise.

Take the whole counsel of God, all 66 books, read them in light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
When you unhitch new testament from old testament, you miss some of the counsel of God.
When you elevate Paul and ignore the rest, you miss out on some of the counsel of God.
Even Paul says NOT TO DO THAT.

1 Corinthians 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Paul would rebuke any man who credited him as the foundation of their faith. Paul had grace, Paul was guided through the scripture and well versed in it. But Paul was a human pastor, a minister, all said and done, considering himself to be the lowest of apostles, and the chief of sinners. Paul taught one Gospel, and it was the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the Gospel of Paul.
 
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In fact, can we ever see Messiah preaching the "inclusion of gentiles," "imputation" and "reckoning" doctrines, or the "myteries" given by Paul?

So it is one gospel, and if anyone teaches another gospel.. let him be accursed.

Matthew 5:44-45 [...]
Definitely two very different gospels.

It was Messiah's plan to minister to Israel directly, and then send apostles to spread the gospel of His kingdom to the world.
Matthew 28

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:48-50, John 7:16-17, and John 17:6-8... say that Ιησους words came from the Father. Matthew 21:37 last of all He sent His Son, to His vineyard to gather the fruits of the Reign of God. Those fruits were gathered from the field already white with harvest, from Matthew 9:35-38, in Matthew 10:5-7... by His 12 Disciples of Galilee.
It's from the Father... back to the Father John 12:44-47: through the Risen Lord, to His Disciples, and "those who believe on Him through their word", John 17:20, John 10:16.

mystery doesn't mean Paul was verbally spoke to by the Holy Spirit things that were brand new and not in the bible.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1 Corinthians 2:7-10 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[10] But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Ephesians 3:4-6 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Colossians 1:26-27 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[27] To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Already hidden in scripture, and revealed in it by the Spirit.
Not mysticism, but scripture.

That's not how the Holy Spirit works when Jesus described what the Holy Spirit would do in John 14

Which isn't at all what the spirit does in Paul's gospel.

It is, and if Paul had been seemingly making up new doctrine outside of what the bible had already revealed (but perhaps in a veiled way) the Bereans would have cried that Paul was a false teacher and heretic. But they searched the scriptures, found what Paul referred to, examined in light of the revealed Messiah, and said "Paul is telling the truth". That means the doctrine was already in the bible.

Are you thinking that Paul taught everything he ever taught… to the Bereans?

The "gifts of the spirit" aren't found in the Father's Gospel.

Paul illuminated that which was already in scripture.

These verses below… are in the Old Testament? Where?

Romans 11:25, Romans 16:25
1 Corinthians 2:7-10, 1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Ephesians 3:4-6, Colossians 1:26-27

For example, with regards to the Gospel of Jesus being spread to the gentiles:
Isaiah 11

Probably depends on which Bible Version... and the context.

Isaiah 11:4-12 but He shall judge the cause of the lowly, and shall reprove the lowly of the earth. And He shall smite the earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall he destroy the ungodly one. ...[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.[11] And it shall be in that day, that the Lord shall again shew His hand, to be zealous for the remnant that is left of the people, which shall be left by the Assyrians, and that from Egypt, and from the country of Babylon, and from Ethiopia, and from the Elamites, and from the rising of the sun, and out of Arabia.[12] And He shall lift up a standard for the nations, and he shall gather the (απολομένους) lost ones of Israel, and He shall gather the (διεσπαρμένους) dispersed of Juda from the four corners of the earth.LXX

I got the same meaning out of your version of Isaiah 11:10
That the Gentiles would follow the Messiah.

Isaiah 11:10 takes place after Armegeddon:

Isaiah 11:4-10 [4] but He shall judge the cause of the lowly, and shall reprove the lowly of the earth. And He shall smite the earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall He destroy the ungodly one.[5] And He shall have His loins girt with righteousness, and His sides clothed with truth.
[6] And the wolf shall feed with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the young calf and bull and lion shall feed together; and a little child shall lead them.[7] And the ox and bear shall feed together; and their young shall be together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.[8] And an infant shall put his hand on the holes of asps, and on the nest of young asps.[9] And they shall not hurt, nor shall they at all be able to destroy any one on my holy mountain: for the whole world is filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as much water covers the seas.[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.

Revelation 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 
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Several men, same name:
2 Peter 1:1 (Συμεὼν) Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name [was] (Συμεὼν) Simeon; and the same man [was] just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Acts of the Apostles 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and (Συμεὼν) Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts of the Apostles 15:13-14 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:[14] (Συμεὼν) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and (Σίμων) Simon, and Judas?
Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Acts of the Apostles 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas,
Acts of the Apostles 14:14 [Which] when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard [of], they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts of the Apostles 1:13 Judas [the brother] of James.
Acts of the Apostles 4:6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
Acts of the Apostles 12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled [their] ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

Peter was not referring to a different Paul...

Several men, same name:
Simeon [...] James [...] Joses [...] Simon [...] Judas [...] John [...]

Paul taught from the Old Testament and every one of his doctrines can be found in the Old Testament but it can be veiled

OT Books, Chapters and Verses for the doctrines below, please:

Romans 11:25, Romans 16:25
1 Corinthians 2:7-10, 1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Ephesians 3:4-6, Colossians 1:26-27

There's not some extra super special Gospel of Paul. Paul himself would rebuke you for making such a claim.
[...]
Paul would rebuke any man who credited him as the foundation of their faith.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

If you thought 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 is all of Paul's gospel, well, "christ crucified" is only the cake... not the "wise masterbuilder" filling... and the mystery icing.
 
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Are you thinking that Paul taught everything he ever taught… to the Bereans?

No but I am thinking that everything Paul taught can be found within the scriptures. Paul may have had extra details, but the core doctrine can be found in the scriptures. Paul taught from the Old Testament.

These verses below… are in the Old Testament? Where?

Romans 11:25

I can show an example in Isaiah 63, even though it is also referring to the second coming of Jesus, but it does go over the blinding of Israel until the second coming.

Isaiah 63
7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble?
14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the Lord caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.
15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained?
16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
17 O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
18 The people of thy holiness have possessed it but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary.
19 We are thine: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name.

But there are other passages as well, Ezekiel 36 refers to the Jews returning to their land in unbelief.
Now Paul has added detail, that it will be until the fullness of the gentiles But the concept of Israel rejecting their messiah, turning themselves into enemies of the gospel, and then they cry out for Him to return... that's in the Old Testament.

Romans 16:25

c'mon dude, very next verse tells you this was stuff in the scriptures already.
Romans 16
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

This isn't anything specific, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, has been hidden in the Old Testament since Genesis 3:15. You get more and more detail over the course of the bible, you get some in more of the passages of Moses, even passages referring to the 2nd coming, like Numbers 24, and Deuteronomy 30.
Think about this from Deuteronomy 30 for instance

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This sounds so familiar or it should
Oh yeah... Ezekiel 36
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Anyway, the Messiah is all over the old testament, sometimes in ways that you need the Holy Spirit to recognize.

1 Corinthians 2:7-10
Okay this is just.. lazy. 1 Corinthians 2:9 literally says "as it is written" Did you just look up the word "mystery" from every one of Paul's letters and post them?

Isaiah 64
4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

Paul was literally quoting Isaiah. Yes the mystery is hidden but it is hidden in scripture. When Jesus was resurrected what'd He do with His disciples? He showed them in scripture all these things that had been fulfilled, all the instances referring to Him having to suffer, like in Isaiah 53, and Daniel 9.

1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Admittedly, Paul has extra detail here, the resurrection is taught in the Old Testament, but what about the people who are still alive when Jesus came? That's the thing Paul reveals.

But let's look at a few passages
Isaiah 26
16 Lord, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.
17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O Lord.
18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

A bonus is that this also teaches a pre-wrath rapture (during a time of birth pains and trouble, but to hide from the Indignation, followed by a description of the 2nd and 3rd bowl/vial judgements).

Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Same timing here, during a time of trouble they'll be delivered, and there will be a resurrection, and those of the wise, will shine like the stars, indicating a change. Paul interprets that change to be literal. So what Paul did was see the revelation in scripture, and God revealed a little more to him. It's progressive revelation, not something totally new, but building on what's already there with extra detail.

Ephesians 3:4-6, Colossians 1:26-27
We've already discussed how Messianic prophecy has been hidden throughout the bible, and revealed in light of the Gospel.

I see a lot of teachers teaching Jesus in the Old Testament, the question is, why don't you see Him there? Why do you unhitch from the Old Testament?

Isaiah 11:10 takes place after Armegeddon:

Disagree, as Isaiah is not teaching everything in Chronological order by any means. It's all things Jesus has done or will do, but not set in time. It is referenced in the New Testament as something being fulfilled

Matthew 12
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

Because Jesus was ministering to Gentiles as well as Judah. Remember the Canaanite woman in Matthe 15? The Roman centurion in Matthew 8?
Jesus in Luke 4 even gave the example of 2 gentiles that were blessed by the Lord, the widow that Elijah stayed with, and Naaman the Syrian.
The Gospel was ALWAYS going to go to the gentiles. This was not something new that Paul added.

Paul referenced this part of Isaiah as well
Romans 15
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Paul was not bringing new doctrine he was teaching revealed doctrine that was in the scriptures, he taught from the Old Testament, and that's amazing that he could preach Christ entirely from the Old Testament and even Jews who were knowledgeable of old testament scripture could verify what Paul taught in the scriptures, and come to faith.

Paul was not a gnostic teaching secret doctrines whispered to him by a spirit.
Paul was an old school pastor teaching from the Word of God.
 
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No but I am thinking that everything Paul taught can be found within the scriptures. Paul may have had extra details, but the core doctrine can be found in the scriptures. Paul taught from the Old Testament.

I can show an example in Isaiah 63, even though it is also referring to the second coming of Jesus, but it does go over the blinding of Israel until the second coming.

Isaiah 63

But there are other passages as well, Ezekiel 36 refers to the Jews returning to their land in unbelief.
Now Paul has added detail, that it will be until the fullness of the gentiles But the concept of Israel rejecting their messiah, turning themselves into enemies of the gospel, and then they cry out for Him to return... that's in the Old Testament.

c'mon dude, very next verse tells you this was stuff in the scriptures already.
Romans 16

This isn't anything specific, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, has been hidden in the Old Testament since Genesis 3:15. You get more and more detail over the course of the bible, you get some in more of the passages of Moses, even passages referring to the 2nd coming, like Numbers 24, and Deuteronomy 30.
Think about this from Deuteronomy 30 for instance
This sounds so familiar or it should
Oh yeah... Ezekiel 36

Anyway, the Messiah is all over the old testament, sometimes in ways that you need the Holy Spirit to recognize.

Okay this is just.. lazy. 1 Corinthians 2:9 literally says "as it is written" Did you just look up the word "mystery" from every one of Paul's letters and post them?

Isaiah 64

Paul was literally quoting Isaiah. Yes the mystery is hidden but it is hidden in scripture. When Jesus was resurrected what'd He do with His disciples? He showed them in scripture all these things that had been fulfilled, all the instances referring to Him having to suffer, like in Isaiah 53, and Daniel 9.

Admittedly, Paul has extra detail here, the resurrection is taught in the Old Testament, but what about the people who are still alive when Jesus came? That's the thing Paul reveals.

But let's look at a few passages
Isaiah 26:16-21

A bonus is that this also teaches a pre-wrath rapture (during a time of birth pains and trouble, but to hide from the Indignation, followed by a description of the 2nd and 3rd bowl/vial judgements).

Daniel 12

Same timing here, during a time of trouble they'll be delivered, and there will be a resurrection, and those of the wise, will shine like the stars, indicating a change. Paul interprets that change to be literal. So what Paul did was see the revelation in scripture, and God revealed a little more to him. It's progressive revelation, not something totally new, but building on what's already there with extra detail.

We've already discussed how Messianic prophecy has been hidden throughout the bible, and revealed in light of the Gospel.

I see a lot of teachers teaching Jesus in the Old Testament, the question is, why don't you see Him there? Why do you unhitch from the Old Testament?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(until: Matthew 13:13-15 = Isaiah 6:9-13)
(blind: Matthew 15:12-14, John 9:39-41)
(not blind: Matthew 13:10-12, Matthew 13:16-17)


1 Corinthians 2:7-10 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.[10] But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Isaiah 64:4-5 From of old we have not heard, neither have our eyes seen a God beside Thee, and Thy works which Thou wilt perform to them that wait for mercy.[5] For these blessings shall happen to them that work righteousness, and they shall remember Thy ways: behold, Thou wast angry and we have sinned; therefore we have erred.LXX
This is the family of Israel.


You couldn't find these things in the OT?

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Ephesians 3:4-6 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Colossians 1:26-27 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[27] To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Isaiah 11:10 takes place after Armegeddon:

Isaiah 11:4-10 [4] but He shall judge the cause of the lowly, and shall reprove the lowly of the earth. And He shall smite the earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall He destroy the ungodly one.[5] And He shall have His loins girt with righteousness, and His sides clothed with truth.
[6] And the wolf shall feed with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the young calf and bull and lion shall feed together; and a little child shall lead them.[7] And the ox and bear shall feed together; and their young shall be together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.[8] And an infant shall put his hand on the holes of asps, and on the nest of young asps.[9] And they shall not hurt, nor shall they at all be able to destroy any one on my holy mountain: for the whole world is filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as much water covers the seas.[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.

Revelation 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Disagree, as Isaiah is not teaching everything in Chronological order by any means. It's all things Jesus has done or will do, but not set in time. It is referenced in the New Testament as something being fulfilled

Matthew 12:18-21
Isaiah 11 is not Isaiah 42.

Isaiah 11:4-10... fulfilled in the endtimes.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, and He that shall arise to rule over the nations; in Him shall the nations (ελπιούσι) trust, and His rest shall be (τιμη) glorious.

Revelation 2:27 And He shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

Revelation 19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Isaiah 42:1-7 was fulfilled in His Disciples of Galilee.

Isaiah 42:1-7 Jacob is My servant, I will help him. Israel is My chosen, My soul has accepted him. I have put My Spirit upon Him, He shall bring forth judgment to the nations.[2] He shall not cry nor lift up His voice, nor shall His voice be heard without.[3] A bruised reed shall He not break and smoking flax shall He not quench, but He shall bring forth judgment to truth.[4] He shall shine out and shall not be discouraged until He have set judgment on the earth, and in His name shall the nations trust.[5] Thus saith the Lord God, who made the heaven and established it, who settled the earth and the things in it, and gives breath to the people on it and spirit to them that tread on it.[6] I the Lord God have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand and will strengthen Thee. And I have given Thee for the Covenant of a race, for a light of the nations.[7] To open the eyes of the blind, to bring the bound and them that sit in darkness out of bonds and the prison-house.LXX
(Matthew 12:17-21, Fulfilled in Matthew 4:12-17)

Because Jesus was ministering to Gentiles as well as Judah. Remember the Canaanite woman in Matthe 15? The Roman centurion in Matthew 8?
Jesus in Luke 4 even gave the example of 2 gentiles that were blessed by the Lord, the widow that Elijah stayed with, and Naaman the Syrian.
The Gospel was ALWAYS going to go to the gentiles. This was not something new that Paul added.

Matthew 15:21-28 Then Ιησους went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And His Disciples came and besought Him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel.

"Of Canaan" doesn't mean a Hamitic-Canaanite... it's a nation-status, not a racial term. The woman knew her scriptures, and even worshipped Him. And she'd been called a dog by the Judaeans, which makes her an Ephriamite who'd moved from Samaria... since that's where that slander came from. Remember that the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are scattered into all nations? Or did you think that Matthew 15:24 was just tossed out there and immediately rescinded?

Paul referenced this part of Isaiah as well
Romans 15:9-12

Paul was not bringing new doctrine he was teaching revealed doctrine that was in the scriptures, he taught from the Old Testament, and that's amazing that he could preach Christ entirely from the Old Testament and even Jews who were knowledgeable of old testament scripture could verify what Paul taught in the scriptures, and come to faith.

Paul was not a gnostic teaching secret doctrines whispered to him by a spirit.
Paul was an old school pastor teaching from the Word of God.

[Psalm 18 For the end, a Psalm of David, the servant of the Lord; the words which he spoke to the Lord, even the words of this Song, in the day in which the Lord delivered him out the hand of all his enemies, and out the hand of Saul: and he said:
Psalms 18:47-50 It is God that avenges me, and has subdued the nations under me;[48] my deliverer from angry enemies: thou shalt set me on high above them that rise up against me: thou shalt deliver me from the unrighteous man.[49] Therefore will I confess to thee, O Lord, among the nations, and sing to Thy name.[50] God magnifies the deliverances of his king, and deals mercifully with David his anointed and his seed for ever.LXX
?... ...(Romans 15:9-12)... ...?

Deuteronomy 32:41-43 For I will sharpen My sword like lightning, and My hand shall take hold of judgment; and I will render judgment to My enemies, and will recompense them that hate Me.[42] I will make My weapons drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh, it shall glut itself with the blood of the wounded, and from the captivity of the heads of their enemies that rule over them.[43] Rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with His people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in Him. For He will avenge the blood of His sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to His enemies and will reward them that hate Him: and the Lord shall purge the land of His people.LXX
(Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:48-50)... definitely endtimes.
?... ...(Romans 15:9-12)... ...?
and Psalms 117.

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This is the remnant of the family of Israel.

Isaiah 26:16-21 = Revelation 11:12-13 = Isaiah 66:6-8
= Revelation 12:1-6 + Revelation 2:26-28

Isaiah 26:16-21 Lord, in affliction I remembered thee; Thy chastening was to us with small affliction.[17] And as a woman in travail draws nigh to be delivered, and cries out in her pain; so have we been to thy beloved.[18] We have conceived, O Lord, because of Thy fear, and have been in pain and have brought forth the breath of Thy salvation, which we have wrought upon the earth: we shall not fall, but all that dwell upon the land shall fall.[19] The dead shall rise, and they that are in the tombs shall be raised, and they that are in the earth shall rejoice: for the dew from thee is healing to them: but the land of the ungodly shall perish.[20] Go, My people, enter into thy closets, shut thy door, hide thyself for a little season, until the anger of the Lord have passed away.[21] For, behold, the Lord is bringing wrath from his holy place upon the dwellers on the earth: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall not cover her slain.LXX
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Revelation 11:12-13 And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to Heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.[13] And the same hour was there a great Earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the Earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted and gave glory to the God of Heaven.
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Isaiah 66:6-8 A voice of a cry from out of [the] city; a voice from out of [the] temple, [the] voice of [the] Lord recompencing a recompense to the adversaries.[7] Before her travailing to give birth, before [the] coming of the misery of the pangs, she fled and gave birth to a male.[8] Who heard such? and who has seen thus? [Has] [the] earth travailed in one day? or even a nation given birth at once, and Sion travailed and gave birth to her children?ABP
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Revelation 12:1-6 And there appeared a great wonder in Heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.[3] And there appeared another wonder in Heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of Heaven, and did cast them to the Earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
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Revelation 2:26-28 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.[28] And I will give him the morning star.

The witnesses are gone, the 7th trumpet has sounded;
the dragon is cast to earth, the time of Jacob's Trouble begins.
 
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Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(blind until: Matthew 13:13-15 = Isaiah 6:9-13)
(blind in part: Matthew 15:12-14, John 9:39-41)
(not blind in this part: Matthew 13:10-12, Matthew 13:16-17)


Romans 16:25-26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,[26] But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

I couldn't find the "obedience of faith" in the OT... you neither?


1 Corinthians 2:7-10 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.[10] But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Isaiah 64:4-5 From of old we have not heard, neither have our eyes seen a God beside Thee, and Thy works which Thou wilt perform to them that wait for mercy.[5] For these blessings shall happen to them that work righteousness, and they shall remember Thy ways: behold, Thou wast angry and we have sinned; therefore we have erred.LXX

This is about the family of Israel, not the gentiles.


You couldn't find these in the OT, either?

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Ephesians 3:4-6 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Colossians 1:26-27 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[27] To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:





Matthew 15:21-28 Then Ιησους went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And His Disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel.

"Of Canaan" doesn't mean a Hamitic-Canaanite... it's a nation-status, not a racial term. The woman knew her scriptures, and even worshipped Him. And she'd been called a dog by the Judaeans, which makes her an Ephriamite who'd moved from Samaria... since that's where that slander came from. Remember that the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel were scattered in all nations? Or did you think that Matthew 15:24 was just tossed out there and immediately rescinded?

Isaiah 42:1-7 Jacob is My servant, I will help him. Israel is My chosen, My soul has accepted him. I have put My Spirit upon him, he shall bring forth judgment to the nations.[2] He shall not cry nor lift up his voice, nor shall his voice be heard without.[3] A bruised reed shall he not break and smoking flax shall he not quench, but he shall bring forth judgment to truth.[4] He shall shine out and shall not be discouraged until he have set judgment on the earth, and in his name shall the nations trust.[5] Thus saith the Lord God, who made the heaven and established it, who settled the earth and the things in it, and gives breath to the people on it and spirit to them that tread on it.[6] I the Lord God have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand and will strengthen thee. And I have given thee for the covenant of a race, for a light of the nations.[7] To open the eyes of the blind, to bring the bound and them that sit in darkness out of bonds and the prison-house.LXX (Matthew 12:17-21, Matthew 4:12-17)

[Psalm 18 For the end, a Psalm of David, the servant of the Lord; the words which he spoke to the Lord, even the words of this Song, in the day in which the Lord delivered him out the hand of all his enemies, and out the hand of Saul: and he said:
Psalms 18:47-50 It is God that avenges me, and has subdued the nations under me; 48 my deliverer from angry enemies: thou shalt set me on high above them that rise up against me: thou shalt deliver me from the unrighteous man.[49] Therefore will I confess to thee, O Lord, among the nations, and sing to Thy name.[50] God magnifies the deliverances of his king, and deals mercifully with David his anointed and his seed for ever.LXX

Isaiah 26:16-21 Lord, in affliction I remembered thee; thy chastening was to us with small affliction.[17] And as a woman in travail draws nigh to be delivered, and cries out in her pain; so have we been to thy beloved.[18] We have conceived, O Lord, because of thy fear, and have been in pain, and have brought forth the breath of thy salvation, which we have wrought upon the earth: we shall not fall, but all that dwell upon the land shall fall.[19] The dead shall rise, and they that are in the tombs shall be raised, and they that are in the earth shall rejoice: for the dew from thee is healing to them: but the land of the ungodly shall perish.[20] Go, My people, enter into thy closets, shut thy door, hide thyself for a little season, until the anger of the Lord have passed away.[21] For, behold, the Lord is bringing wrath from his holy place upon the dwellers on the earth: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall not cover her slain.LXX

Enter into thy closets... that's written to the remnant, not the gentiles.

most of what's promised to Israel is expanded to the church when the Gospel was spread to the Gentiles.
That's what Romans 11 is about, that we are grafted into Israel and become co-heirs. But that doctrine was already prophecied to happen in the OT.

Mostly my point is Paul taught from the OT, and the doctrines he taught can be found in the OT although Paul had more detail. It's consistent with progressive revelation. Building on what is already established.
Remember in Matthew 22 how Jesus could teach about the Resurrection to the Sadducees? They only believed the Torah was Inspired, and Jesus was able to teach life after death and the resurrection from the Torah, so that they'd accept His answer. It's things that are veiled and overlooked in scripture, but the foundation for God's entire plan can be found in the Torah.
We just get more detail over the rest of the bible.

So when you stress the Mysteries that Paul discusses, I see it as Mysteries obscured in scripture that Paul was able to interpret and expand.. rather than something more akin to Gnosticism and the occult which is hidden knowledge revealed supernaturally out of nowhere. What's consistent is progressive revelation.

If Paul were teaching things that were totally not in the bible?

I wouldn't have believed him. That's occult.

Anyone claiming special revelation from spiritual sources that is inconsistent with the bible? That's occult and should be rejected.
 
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Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(until: Matthew 13:13-15 = Isaiah 6:9-13)
(blind: Matthew 15:12-14, John 9:39-41)
(not blind: Matthew 13:10-12, Matthew 13:16-17)
[...]

I've edited the post above and added more Scriptures
... including this fact:

* Esaias 26:16-21 + Revelation 11:12-13 = * Esaias 66:6-8
= Revelation 12:1-6 + Revelation 2:26-28

(* the Massoretic =/= the Septuagint which Messiah quotes)

most of what's promised to Israel is expanded to the church when the Gospel was spread to the Gentiles.
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Mostly my point is Paul taught from the OT, and the doctrines he taught can be found in the OT although Paul had more detail. It's consistent with progressive revelation.
Building on what is already established.

Isn't Paul saying that he prophesied?

1 Corinthians 14:4-6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
 
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There's only one Gospel, and Paul teaches that anyone teaching another gospel, let him be accursed.

This is a common fallacious reasoning of this passage. Paul is writing to gentiles in the Body of Christ, chapters 1 and 2

Let's really read the words carefully to understand what Paul is really saying.

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually saying if the gentiles are preached another gospel other than the one what they are receiving from Paul, let the preacher be accused.

Can you see you are misinterpreting it to mean "Paul also said if anyone preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed"?
 
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most of what's promised to Israel is expanded to the church when the Gospel was spread to the Gentiles.
That's what Romans 11 is about, that we are grafted into Israel and become co-heirs. But that doctrine was already prophecied to happen in the OT.

Mostly my point is Paul taught from the OT, and the doctrines he taught can be found in the OT although Paul had more detail. It's consistent with progressive revelation. Building on what is already established.
Remember in Matthew 22 how Jesus could teach about the Resurrection to the Sadducees? They only believed the Torah was Inspired, and Jesus was able to teach life after death and the resurrection from the Torah, so that they'd accept His answer. It's things that are veiled and overlooked in scripture, but the foundation for God's entire plan can be found in the Torah.
We just get more detail over the rest of the bible.

So when you stress the Mysteries that Paul discusses, I see it as Mysteries obscured in scripture that Paul was able to interpret and expand.. rather than something more akin to Gnosticism and the occult which is hidden knowledge revealed supernaturally out of nowhere. What's consistent is progressive revelation.

If Paul were teaching things that were totally not in the bible?

I wouldn't have believed him. That's occult.

Anyone claiming special revelation from spiritual sources that is inconsistent with the bible? That's occult and should be rejected.

Indeed, this is correct. Mystery also is the word used in Greek and Aramaic, both then as now, to refer to religious rituals such as the Christian liturgies of Baptism, the Eucharist and so on, as well as historically the rites of other religions (something which has since become less common). So today, the Greek word μυστήριο (mystírio) and the Syriac word Raza are used to refer to sacraments.
 
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This is a common fallacious reasoning of this passage. Paul is writing to gentiles in the Body of Christ, chapters 1 and 2

Let's really read the words carefully to understand what Paul is really saying.

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually saying if the gentiles are preached another gospel other than the one what they are receiving from Paul, let the preacher be accused.

Can you see you are misinterpreting it to mean "Paul also said if anyone preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed"?

Paul preached the same gospel to the Gentiles that Peter, John, et cetera preached to the Jews.
it's THE Gospel of Jesus Christ.
No other Gospel is valid.

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

The same gospel taught to Paul by the Jewish disciples, which Paul became a Jewish disciple of Jesus, is what he taught to the gentiles, and, this gospel was hidden as a mystery within the old testament, chief among the places being Isaiah 53.

Remember Philip and the Eunuch's encounter in Acts 8?
Let's take a look
26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
Let's take a pause here to note a few things
1. The Eunuch was a gentile, and he was witnessed to not by Paul, but Philip.
2. The Eunuch was reading Old Testament scripture, specifically the portion of scripture we know as Isaiah 53.

Continuing
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Philip preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ to this gentile Eunuch using Isaiah 53 and he got saved on the spot. Crazy that Ethiopia has had such a long history of Christianity, I believe this Eunuch being preached the Gospel by Philip is how that happened.

So you see. Both Jews and Gentiles are saved by the same Gospel, and it was not only a "Gospel of Paul" that was taught to gentiles.
It was all the same Gospel of Jesus Christ and any apostle, or you or I, can teach it to anyone, Jew or Gentile, and get people saved.
 
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Paul preached the same gospel to the Gentiles that Peter, John, et cetera preached to the Jews.
it's THE Gospel of Jesus Christ.
No other Gospel is valid.

1 Corinthians 15


The same gospel taught to Paul by the Jewish disciples, which Paul became a Jewish disciple of Jesus, is what he taught to the gentiles, and, this gospel was hidden as a mystery within the old testament, chief among the places being Isaiah 53.

Remember Philip and the Eunuch's encounter in Acts 8?
Let's take a look

Let's take a pause here to note a few things
1. The Eunuch was a gentile, and he was witnessed to not by Paul, but Philip.
2. The Eunuch was reading Old Testament scripture, specifically the portion of scripture we know as Isaiah 53.

Continuing


Philip preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ to this gentile Eunuch using Isaiah 53 and he got saved on the spot. Crazy that Ethiopia has had such a long history of Christianity, I believe this Eunuch being preached the Gospel by Philip is how that happened.

So you see. Both Jews and Gentiles are saved by the same Gospel, and it was not only a "Gospel of Paul" that was taught to gentiles.
It was all the same Gospel of Jesus Christ and any apostle, or you or I, can teach it to anyone, Jew or Gentile, and get people saved.

You want to clarify your understanding of what Galatians 1:8-9 is saying first, before moving to another portion of scripture?

How do you get your understanding, "Paul teaches that anyone teaching another gospel, let him be accursed", from that passage? That is the only passage that refers to what you are saying.
 
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You want to clarify your understanding of what Galatians 1:8-9 is saying first, before moving to another portion of scripture?

How do you get your understanding, "Paul teaches that anyone teaching another gospel, let him be accursed", from that passage? That is the only passage that refers to what you are saying.

My understanding is just from a plain reading. That Paul teaches the same gospel that he learned from the Jewish disciples, and is the only valid Gospel, and if anyone teaches a different gospel, then let him be accursed.

There's not 2 gospels 1 for Jews 1 for gentiles, there's not a prosperity gospel.

There is only one Gospel, that which was taught in 1 Corinthians 15.
Any other gospel is accursed.
 
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You want to clarify your understanding of what Galatians 1:8-9 is saying first, before moving to another portion of scripture?

How do you get your understanding, "Paul teaches that anyone teaching another gospel, let him be accursed", from that passage? That is the only passage that refers to what you are saying.

I think I clarified the meaning of that sufficiently in our other discussion.
 
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My understanding is just from a plain reading. That Paul teaches the same gospel that he learned from the Jewish disciples, and is the only valid Gospel, and if anyone teaches a different gospel, then let him be accursed.

There's not 2 gospels 1 for Jews 1 for gentiles, there's not a prosperity gospel.

There is only one Gospel, that which was taught in 1 Corinthians 15.
Any other gospel is accursed.

Just to be clear, I assume you mean the Gospel is the Good News of the Resurrection of Christ, which we see taught in 1 Corinthians 15 and in the four canonical Gospel accounts? And also the beginning of Acts?
 
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This is a common fallacious reasoning of this passage. Paul is writing to gentiles in the Body of Christ, chapters 1 and 2

Let's really read the words carefully to understand what Paul is really saying.

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually saying if the gentiles are preached another gospel other than the one what they are receiving from Paul, let the preacher be accused.

Can you see you are misinterpreting it to mean "Paul also said if anyone preach any other Gospel, let him be accursed"?

Dude you literally posted this exact same statement to me in @Carl Emerson ’s thread, and in that case, you also mischaracterized what I said in the same exact way, and you called it fallacious. In fact I believe you have copy posted your reply to me in replying to @Jamdoc . This suggests to me that you aren’t engaging with our replies substantially or individually but rather based only on what scripture they refer to, as opposed to what they are saying about that scripture, and this is problematic because, well, how can we dialogue with you if you aren’t reading our posts individually?

And also you continue to misuse the word “fallacious.” As I wrote in response to this verbatim reply earlier, for an interpretation of scripture to be fallacious, it must be predicated on a logical fallacy. Fallacious is not synonymous with wrong; while every fallacious statement is in some respects wrong, not every wrong statement is fallacious.

It is definitely fallacious however on a logical level to use the same text to reply to two distinct arguments that refer to the same scriptural verse. My argument concerning Galatians 1:8-9 involved the potential of one of St. Peter’s disciples inadvertently preaching to the Galatians and inadvertently being anathematized, whereas in this case, I believe @Jamdoc made a completely different argument. Neither of our arguments contained a logical fallacy and are therefore not fallacious per se, but your response, because it does not address our references to Galatians 1:8-9 based on what we were specifically saying, is a non-sequitur and is actually logically falacious. It also contains the fallacy of composition. So because our replies both mentioned the same scripture verse, you assumed incorrectly that both @Jamdoc and myself were saying the same thing about Galatians 1:8-9, and therefore an identical reply could be used; this is an example of the fallacy of composition, which is a classical logical fallacy.
 
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Just to be clear, I assume you mean the Gospel is the Good News of the Resurrection of Christ, which we see taught in 1 Corinthians 15 and in the four canonical Gospel accounts? And also the beginning of Acts?

Absolutely, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God come in the flesh, who lived a perfect life obedient to God the Father, who died for our sins on the cross, to provide the atonement for our iniquities through His blood, and was resurrected, ascended to heaven and sits on the right hand of the Father, and will return again and those who believe He is who He says He is, have eternal life and will rule and reign with Him forever and ever.

I mean yes there are 4 Gospel accounts, but they all teach the same Gospel.
 
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