How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

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I know you want to turn the US into the religious republic of Baptististan but here in Australia is a copy of our constitution.
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This reflects on our courts as well (in Victoria don't know about the other states and territories), one has the option of swearing on the Bible, Koran or other religious texts.
In the case of atheists they don't have to swear on any religious text hence having a display of the ten commandments on a courthouse lawn seems inappropriate.
That roo looks like he's got his paw on his beer gut(?)
Is that what he's swearing on(?)
 
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I think it's a bit of both - we invented maths to represent the relationships we discovered in the world. Without the regularities, patterns, and symmetries we observe, the structured world we are part of wouldn't exist.
As someone educated in both pure and applied maths I'm rather conflicted on this.
Pure maths largely involves the invention of mathematics, in the video Steven Weinberg referred to Group Theory being used in particle physics.

The theory appeared in written form in what turned out to be an almost illegible suicide note by the 20 year old mathematician Evariste Galois who was killed by a provocateur for the French government in a duel.

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While Group Theory was invented its application to particle physics was a discovery.
The other aspect is whether quantum mechanics is a model which describes nature or nature using quantum mechanics.
This shows up in the mechanism for photosynthesis.

 
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I'd point them to the Constitution of Australia, specifically Chapter 5, section 116: "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."

With Christ our head and cornerstone, we'll build our nation's might;

Whose way and truth and light alone, can guide our path aright;

Our lives a sacrifice of love, reflect our master's care;

With faces turned to heav'n above, Advance Australia Fair;

In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
 
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With Christ our head and cornerstone, we'll build our nation's might;

Whose way and truth and light alone, can guide our path aright;

Our lives a sacrifice of love, reflect our master's care;

With faces turned to heav'n above, Advance Australia Fair;

In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.

That's an unofficial variant written in 1988 and and taught to children in about 50 Christian schools in 2011. It has not been endorsed by the government in any way. Minister for School Education, Early Childhood and Youth Peter Garrett spoke out against the schools for making the children sing this.

Do you think you are proving something here? It's no different if I changed the lyrics to your national anthem to promote science and critical thinking against religion.
 
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With Christ our head and cornerstone, we'll build our nation's might;

Whose way and truth and light alone, can guide our path aright;

Our lives a sacrifice of love, reflect our master's care;

With faces turned to heav'n above, Advance Australia Fair;

In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
Ah the wonders of the internet where one can google and find anything as "supporting" evidence.
Here is the official version.

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It's no different if I changed the lyrics to your national anthem to promote science and critical thinking against religion.
No different, huh?

To change ours, you would have to take God out.

To change yours, you would have to put God in.
 
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No different, huh?

To change ours, you would have to take God out.

To change yours, you would have to put God in.

Actually, your national anthem doesn't mention God, it mentions that "In God we trust" is the national motto. Something being mentioned in a motto does not require that the thing mentioned exists. And even then, it's in the fourth verse, and I doubt many Americans know those lyrics!
 
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Actually, your national anthem doesn't mention God, it mentions that "In God we trust" is the national motto. Something being mentioned in a motto does not require that the thing mentioned exists. And even then, it's in the fourth verse, and I doubt many Americans know those lyrics!

How does this relate to the topic of the thread
 
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Nobody with respect for the constitution, rule of law, or simple fairness would advocate for govt money spent on selected religion(s).
You're on the wrong side of the pond, and born well-after the party started.

Our government used to see it fit to post the Ten Commandments on their courthouse lawns.

Until about the mid-sixties, when colleges and universities started spawning "anti-establishment" mindsets.

TUNE IN, TURN ON, AND DROP OUT became their mantra; and anarchy was their goal.

When the tares grew sufficiently numerous, academia was able to sway the public into an outcry against Christianity being displayed in public places, and the Icons of Christianity were replaced by the Icons of Evolution.
 
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You're on the wrong side of the pond, and born well-after the party started.

Our government used to see it fit to post the Ten Commandments on their courthouse lawns.

Until about the mid-sixties, when colleges and universities started spawning "anti-establishment" mindsets.

TUNE IN, TURN ON, AND DROP OUT became their mantra; and anarchy was their goal.

When the tares grew sufficiently numerous, academia was able to sway the public into an outcry against Christianity being displayed in public places, and the Icons of Christianity were replaced by the Icons of Evolution.

It was never appropriate for government institutions to promote Christianity above other religions, AV. The First Amendment is very clear on that.

Now, can we get back on topic, which was how to prove God exists scientifically?
 
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I guess that means you have nothing of any value to add then.
Just cause-and-effect evidence -- that's all.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

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LOL ... How about I go buy one with my own money and put it up on the courthouse lawn then?

(With approval, of course.)

Would that be okay with you?

And since the taxpayers already funded it back in the 1960's, why remove it today?

It's like buying a candy bar, bringing it home, and throwing it away.
That is using taxpayer supported land for religious purposes and implies support for that religion. So, no. If it were allowed all other religious beliefs would have the same right. This would no doubt include beliefs that you disagree with and might find blasphemous.
 
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That is using taxpayer supported land for religious purposes and implies support for that religion. So, no. If it were allowed all other religious beliefs would have the same right. This would no doubt include beliefs that you disagree with and might find blasphemous.

And to be equitable, ALL religions would have to be given their share
calculated by their percent of the total.
Insane.
 
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This would no doubt include beliefs that you disagree with and might find blasphemous.
I have a feeling you would too.

Were Jeroboam's golden calfs equal to Ed?
 
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I have a feeling you would too.

Were Jeroboam's golden calfs equal to Ed?
What I find to be blasphemy is immaterial. I don’t want the implication of government support of any religion, not even mine.

"When religion is good, it will take care of itself. When it is not able to take care of itself, and G-d does not see fit to take care of it, so that it has to appeal to the civil power for support, it is evidence to my mind that its cause is a bad one." ~ Benjamin Franklin
 
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