Is the Earth Flat?

prodromos said:

Why should I expect Rob Skiba to be any different to any of the other flat earth apologists that I've read or listened to? Does he have something new to add that hasn't been covered by any number of flat earthers? I have not found a single one to have a solid argument, they all fail in one way or another.

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Well, Rob didn't just sit in a living room and guess or read the views and ideas of others.. He actually got up out of his chair and did field tests, talked to university professors, compared the things he actually saw, photographed and filmed to the Biblical scriptures.

The fact that you are asking "what is different about Rob".. is proof that you have not taken the time to look into his extensive work on this.

Rob stood firmly on the Bible and did not accept the pitiful musings of mere mortals. He had the courage and guts to stand on the firm foundation of the Holy Scriptures and test them as God stated to do.

He upset a lot of people ... but... that's what happens when you trust God's word and reject the words of those in white lab coats or supposed scholars that push the accepted garbage on so many topics.

Do yourself a favor.. Look into his work... Then decide for yourself instead of guessing.

JacksBratt said:

Well, Rob didn't just sit in a living room and guess or read the views and ideas of others.. He actually got up out of his chair and did field tests, talked to university professors, compared the things he actually saw, photographed and filmed to the Biblical scriptures.

The fact that you are asking "what is different about Rob".. is proof that you have not taken the time to look into his extensive work on this.

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I quite agree that none of the other flat earther's I've looked into have done any extensive research. It's encouraging to see you admit that.

Rob stood firmly on the Bible and did not accept the pitiful musings of mere mortals. He had the courage and guts to stand on the firm foundation of the Holy Scriptures and test them as God stated to do.

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I also stand firmly on the Scriptures, and I recognise that they are not written to be understood as science texts. I understand that you and others insist on a rigid literal interpretation. We disagree on how Genesis is to be interpreted.

He upset a lot of people ... but... that's what happens when you trust God's word and reject the words of those in white lab coats or supposed scholars that push the accepted garbage on so many topics.

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I don't wear a white coat and I am no scholar, but I have looked into the evidence myself and confirmed that the earth is not flat but is indeed a globe.

Do yourself a favor.. Look into his work... Then decide for yourself instead of guessing.

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I'll look at one more. Which one would you recommend?

prodromos said:

I quite agree that none of the other flat earther's I've looked into have done any extensive research. It's encouraging to see you admit that.

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I admited what?

If "you" looked into it.. you would see that there are many FE'ers that have done boots on the ground research. Many others on both sides.. haven't.

Have you?

prodromos said:

I also stand firmly on the Scriptures, and I recognise that they are not written to be understood as science texts.

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What does that even mean? "The Bible is not a science text book".

I hear this all the time. Yet, I believe that the Bible is the word of the Creator. The One who created the universe.. If HE says it happened... it happened.

His words are true.. all men are liars. "Science text book" HE created science.

prodromos said:

I understand that you and others insist on a rigid literal interpretation. We disagree on how Genesis is to be interpreted.

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I'm guessing....We also disagree on a lot of scripture... .

prodromos said:

I don't wear a white coat and I am no scholar, but I have looked into the evidence myself and confirmed that the earth is not flat but is indeed a globe.

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Fair enough.

prodromos said:

I'll look at one more. Which one would you recommend?

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Pick any from the FE conferences or the one in Germany...

Supposed real images of the supposed planet venus crossing sun, sure looks fake to me. They have even learn an artistic method from hollywood add music to scenes to heighten the drama. You will have to click on the link to youtube to watch, the video would not allow to be shown at christian forums.

JacksBratt said:

Pick any from the FE conferences or the one in Germany...

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Pick something relatively short. I'm not spending an hour watching his stuff, nor am I going to spend ages looking through for something to watch since he has a ton of videos on his channel. Since you claim to be familiar with his stuff I'm sure you can find something.

prodromos said:

Pick something relatively short. I'm not spending an hour watching his stuff, nor am I going to spend ages looking through for something to watch since he has a ton of videos on his channel. Since you claim to be familiar with his stuff I'm sure you can find something.

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Agreed.

Even better (as I find these videos - and both sides) contain a lot of woffle, but are low on useful details: can someone post some FE written links which give FE explanations for everyday things like how sun rise / sun sets work, how you have long summer days, short winter days, time zones etc.

A flat earth map with a scale (this should be much easier than a map projection from a spherical earth).

Some figures for the distance of the sun from the earth (and if relatively close, from which part of the earth), and how this was derived. And for the moon.

d taylor said:

I make observations most every day when i see the sun, moon and stars moving above, across the raqia/heaven/sky, Just as stated in The Bible.

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Yes but you can’t explain a sunrise or a sunset. How does that work on a flat earth?

prodromos said:

His response will simply be that the flat earth map presented is not accurate. The problem they have is that they cannot produce any accurate flat earth map.

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The globe gets proven by the mathematics involved in every trans-oceanic flight.

d taylor said:

I make observations most every day when i see the sun, moon and stars moving above, across the raqia/heaven/sky, Just as stated in The Bible.

I also can look up into the raqia/heaven/sky and see the difference between the sun and stars. Just as The Bible states the sun is the sun and stars are not suns (light years away) but are lights created by God, that work with the moon to give light at night.
Which also brings up another observation that i see, is when the moon is out and it is not cloudy. And that observation is, the moon is a created light and not a reflector of the suns light, that produces and gives off its own light. That is stated as is in The Bible.

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Then how do you explain a lunar eclipse where the earth gets between the sun and moon and blocks that light making only a portion of the moon lit up? Like shown here. Lunar eclipse - Wikipedia

If the moon was the source of its own light we wouldn’t see only half of it sometimes.

RDKirk said:

The globe gets proven by the mathematics involved in every trans-oceanic flight.

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Yup!

RDKirk said:

The globe gets proven by the mathematics involved in every trans-oceanic flight.

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Agreed. But Flat Earth supporters may have a couple problems with this:

1. It involves mathematics.
2. Trans-ocesnic (or any long) flights require you to trust a 'government' to say where you end up. After all, any flight has to get official approval, so could be under the control of the US government and NASA.

It's much easier to just look out of your window in the morning to watch the sun rise, and again in the evening to watch it set. And in between it will be overhead, or at some angle, but still high up.

Phone a friend in another time zone and compare the position of the sun as you see it and as they can see it. (In America, you don't even have to know someone in another country).

HantsUK said:

Agreed. But Flat Earth supporters may have a couple problems with this:

1. It involves mathematics.
2. Trans-ocesnic (or any long) flights require you to trust a 'government' to say where you end up. After all, any flight has to get official approval, so could be under the control of the US government and NASA.

It's much easier to just look out of your window in the morning to watch the sun rise, and again in the evening to watch it set. And in between it will be overhead, or at some angle, but still high up.

Phone a friend in another time zone and compare the position of the sun as you see it and as they can see it. (In America, you don't even have to know someone in another country).

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I always refer back to the fact that the ancient Greeks figured it out very accurately merely from seashore observations.

prodromos said:

Pick something relatively short. I'm not spending an hour watching his stuff, nor am I going to spend ages looking through for something to watch since he has a ton of videos on his channel. Since you claim to be familiar with his stuff I'm sure you can find something.

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I'm not picking.. You pick. Most of them start with him stating "Don't believe anything I'm about to say.. go out and check for yourself"... or... " All of us FE'ers started off standing in the same spot as you.. saying "this is crazy, you're nuts"".

RDKirk said:

I always refer back to the fact that the ancient Greeks figured it out very accurately merely from seashore observations.

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What? All without needing NASA? Or photographs from space? Or GPS?
Just some basic observations, and basic 3D trig.

For me, the most obvious evidence is that the higher you go, the further you can see over a flat plane (e.g. at the seaside, and climb a cliff or hill). On a flat earth, you would not see further. Actually, you should see marginally less far.

And closely related, ships and other large object disappear from sight from the bottom up.

HantsUK said:

What? All without needing NASA? Or photographs from space? Or GPS?
Just some basic observations, and basic 3D trig.

For me, the most obvious evidence is that the higher you go, the further you can see over a flat plane (e.g. at the seaside, and climb a cliff or hill). On a flat earth, you would not see further. Actually, you should see marginally less far.

And closely related, ships and other large object disappear from sight from the bottom up.

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I think you should actually check your "Facts".... you may be surprised.

HantsUK said:

What? All without needing NASA? Or photographs from space? Or GPS?
Just some basic observations, and basic 3D trig.

For me, the most obvious evidence is that the higher you go, the further you can see over a flat plane (e.g. at the seaside, and climb a cliff or hill). On a flat earth, you would not see further. Actually, you should see marginally less far.

And closely related, ships and other large object disappear from sight from the bottom up.

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And if you have two people at different heights signaling each other as they watch that large object heading toward the horizon, they can determine that they see different aspects of the object disappear from sight at the same moment.

HantsUK said:

What? All without needing NASA? Or photographs from space? Or GPS?
Just some basic observations, and basic 3D trig.

For me, the most obvious evidence is that the higher you go, the further you can see over a flat plane (e.g. at the seaside, and climb a cliff or hill). On a flat earth, you would not see further. Actually, you should see marginally less far.

And closely related, ships and other large object disappear from sight from the bottom up.

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I have seen FE videos that seem to address a lot of the points you're making. I'm not prepared to post a link, as I don't want to be seen as endorsing FE theory. As I said before, the weight of evidence is in favour of the globe earth model, but that's maybe because there aren't enough - or any - scientists with the means to be able to conduct more thorough research. 'The jury's still out', for me.

JacksBratt said:

I'm not picking.. You pick. Most of them start with him stating "Don't believe anything I'm about to say.. go out and check for yourself"... or... " All of us FE'ers started off standing in the same spot as you.. saying "this is crazy, you're nuts"".

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I asked you to pick ONE, since you are familiar with his stuff. I do not have the time to wade through all his videos nor am I going to watch something that runs for an hour or more. If you have nothing to suggest then I will assume that there is nothing of value for me to watch.

prodromos said:

I asked you to pick ONE, since you are familiar with his stuff. I do not have the time to wade through all his videos nor am I going to watch something that runs for an hour or more. If you have nothing to suggest then I will assume that there is nothing of value for me to watch.

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Really? "If you have nothing to suggest then I will assume that there is nothing of value".

Not my kind of logic.. but meh...
I'll pick something for you.

prodromos said:

I asked you to pick ONE, since you are familiar with his stuff. I do not have the time to wade through all his videos nor am I going to watch something that runs for an hour or more. If you have nothing to suggest then I will assume that there is nothing of value for me to watch.

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I can't believe how long I had been listening to Rob. His research into so many things that society and the church just would not accept about the past was phenomenal.

He was a great man of God and his journey to be a full blown FE'er is documented in his years of video on his YouTube site.

I must admit, I don't agree with everything Rob believed.. but a lot of it... is solid IMO.

His videos are long, however..

Try some parts of this:

The Flat Earth Controversy From A Biblical Worldview


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