Easter Origins Pagan?

Is easter pagan

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  • no

    Votes: 35 72.9%

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Jesse Dornfeld

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Did any original Apostles keep the resurrection, or tell us to?
Did Jesus tell us to ?

They did more than keep it. Some of them died for it. It was the resurrection that fueled the whole Christian religion of getting off the ground in the first place. You arguing that Easter is a pagan holiday is a nonsense pagan idea.
 
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They did more than keep it.

Please show in the bible where the Apostles keep the resurrection,
and where we are commanded to keep the day of resurrection as
an annual holyday on a calendar of pagan origins.

The bible tells us to keep the Passover and the feast of unleavened bread.
 
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The bible tells us to keep the Passover and the feast of unleavened bread.

Well, Christ died during Passover, so I'm pretty sure we are in the clear here in celebrating Easter.
 
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So you have no bible authority to keep it then.

If you don't want to celebrate Easter, then don't! But for the rest of Christianity, we have no problem with celebrating the Resurrection of Christ.
 
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10 people are uneducated on history and have bought into myths.

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Last I checked, I'm not Jewish.

What does being a Jew have to do with being a follower of Christ?
The Oracles of God was preserved by the Jews, "to give to us."

"this do in remembrance of me"
this is the start of the 14th [Passover]

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also
I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus [the same night]
in which he was betrayed took bread:

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it,
and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken
for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he
had supped, saying, This cup is the [New testament] in my blood:
this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

referring back to this...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired
to eat this [Passover with you] before I suffer: For I say
unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be
fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit
of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it,
and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given
for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This
cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.

Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover. Jesus
changed the symbols of the Passover only, did not do away with it.

The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...

Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done
to you. Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater
than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. and then Paul says this...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep [the feast], not with old leaven, neither with
the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity
and truth.

And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.
The Apostles continued to keep the days of unleavened bread.

Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take
Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
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Nowhere is a Sunday morning Sunrise service that resembles Ishtar
service taught in scripture, but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened
Bread are taught. The pagan origins of Easter and how it became en-
trenched in our culture are facts of history.

The first Passover was when God covered Adams nakedness [type of sin]
with skins from an animal, or shed blood.

The Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread was a memorial,
ordained forever, before one word of the old covenant was spoken.

Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle
Polycarp - Wikipedia

After the death of the apostle John, Polycarp,
waged a controversy over the Passover-Easter
question with the bishop of Rome.

Still later, another disciple Polycrates
Polycrates of Ephesus - Wikipedia

"Pope Victor I, Bishop of Rome, who was attempting
to force a universal practice of fasting until Easter,
so as to supersede the Jewish practice and prevent
Christians from partaking of the Passover.

Polycrates defended the Quartodeciman position in this
Easter controversy, claiming that he had received the
tradition from Polycarp and the Apostles.

The Quartodeciman Controversy.
Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia

Polycrates contended, as Jesus and the original apostles taught,
that the Passover should be observed in the new Christian form
introduced by Jesus and by the apostle Paul
(1 Corinthians 11),

using unleavened bread and wine instead of sacrificing a lamb,
on the eve of the 14th Nisan (first month of Gods sacred calendar,
occurring in the spring).

But in the end [the Rome church] insisted that it be observed on a Sunday.
Easter controversy - Wikipedia

On a man made calendar of heathen origins, with no bible command to do so.
 
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There are 8 places in the N.T. bible that uses the phrase
“On the first day of the week”, everyone is a work day,
the first work day of the week, not a religious command
to now keep Sunday as the new Sabbath day.

We can go over each one if you like.

That would be off-topic and also irrelevant. The question is of course, “Is Easter Pagan?” to which the answer is obviously in the negative regardless of the dating method used for the Feast of the Resurrection, however, it is as stated my firm position that the faith of the Nicene Creed compels a pious adherence to the Paschalion adopted by the same most blessed ecumenical council.
 
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Last I checked, I'm not Jewish.

Indeed, furthermore, Easter and Passover are one and the same thing, which is of course why in Eastern Orthodoxy your church generally calls it Pascha, and indeed the word for Easter in most languages is of similar derivation, for example, the Dutch Passen.
 
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The Gregorian calendar—named after Pope Gregory xiii. That calendar
revolves around fixing the date of Easter in line with the spring equinox,
ensuring that the Catholic’s festivals fall at the right time relative to the
Earth’s revolution around the sun.

This calendar is based on the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar established
in 45 b.c. by Julius Caesar. He chose the names and lengths of the months
that we still use today (except July and August, which were renamed
after Julius and Augustus).

The Julian calendar was altered by the Vatican.
They helped change the way mankind measured time.

A great many Christians still use the Julian Calendar or indeed the Coptic Calendar on which it was based. I really greatly do not care, by the way, that the names of the months were introduced by Julius Caesar, for the important thing is that this was the calendar the early Church used, and atill uses, and a function of Christianity is the sanctification of time.

Also while I would note the Feast of Unleavened Bread has in some respects lapsed, or become integrated into Holy Week, the other Jewish festivals, including the Passover, Pentecost and the Feast of Tabernacles, the latter by virtue of the Feast of the Nativity (Christmas), are still observed.
 
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Nowhere is a Sunday morning Sunrise service that resembles Ishtar service taught in scripture, but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.
Oh? You have unearthed some hitherto undiscovered information on how pagans worshipped Ishtar?
Please share your sources so we too can benefit from this knowledge.
 
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That's what I mean, it's the very same day as Passover and should be counted as such but it's not. It's been given it's very own day apart from Passover. That's not biblical.
That is not how the festival calendar was reckoned. Each "Sacrifice" did have it's own day. That is why I gave you the verses I did. Sacrifices were Morning until the following morning. Judaism simply sees the Passover of the 14th as EXTENDED into the night of the 15th calendar day. It is not each day has a sacrifice Eve to eve. Rather each sacrifice has it's day Leave none of it until the following morning. The morning is the start of another sacrifice.
 
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Oh? You have unearthed some hitherto undiscovered information on how pagans worshipped Ishtar?
Please share your sources so we too can benefit from this knowledge.

Indeed that would be fascinating.

Actually, on a serious note, there are influences from Pythagorean and ancient Canaanite belief in some of the peculiar ostensibly Islam-derived syncretic fringe religions of the Levant, specifically among the Druze and the Syrian Alawis (not to be confused with the Turkish Alevis, who are in many respects crypto-Christian).
 
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That is not how the festival calendar was reckoned

I'm talking about the mistranslation of the word easter itself. There was no such thing as easter apart from pashca in the bible. It's pashca which is the passover. Easter and passover in the bible are the same word when translated back. I think we can all agree on that at least.

The church itself added celebrating the ressurection/easter on it's own day. That wasn't biblical to do so. That's all I'm stating.

And as Paul states, Christ became our passover for one and all time. So I take communion in his name as Christ himself stated we should do. I choose to do it at passover because biblically I think that's the right thing to do and because he became our passover. Everyone else can do as their beliefs factor in.
 
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The church itself added celebrating the ressurection/easter on it's own day. That wasn't biblical to do so. That's all I'm stating.

Of course it was Biblical. Our Lord rose on the first day, and due to well documented changes in how the Jewish calendar was calculated, which were highly controversial in Judaism, and which led to the development of the Karaite calendar, the early Church could no longer reliably celebrate Pascha on the 14th of Nissan, so they did the next best thing, which was to set the date according to a formula intended to ensure Pascha usually happened on the first Sunday after the vernal equinox, with some exceptions to deal with leap years.

The decision to implement this church wide was made at the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea, at which the leaders of every local church except the Roman church, the bishop of Rome being represented by two legatee, were present, and this same ecumenical council also developed the Nicene Creed and anathematized Arius for his heresy, denying the Godhood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. These were extremely important actions for the church to take.

The same ecumenical council also adopted canonical legislation (Canons VI and VII) ensuring that the churches of Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem had the same rights as the church of Rome (thus precluding Papal supremacy), and also several other canons, including Canon I which prohibited men who voluntarily and without medical necessity were castrated from serving as priests, bishops, deacons, readers or in any other ministerial capacity, and Canon XX, which prohibited prostrations on every Sunday throughout the year, and on any day between Pascha and Pentecost.

So in general, it was a very important council that acted with solemn authority and on which the Christian religion as we know it is based.
 
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Of course it was Biblical.

There was no Sunday involved in how the pashca/passover was to be observed. A physical church can't change what God set in stone. Especially a church that many don't recognize as the true church. (by their fruits we will know them...)
 
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I'm talking about the mistranslation of the word easter itself. There was no such thing as easter apart from pashca in the bible.
Easter is from the German language. So, you are correct as the scriptures were originally Greek not German.
It's pashca which is the passover. Easter and passover in the bible are the same word when translated back. I think we can all agree on that at least.
If you prefer Greek to German, Then Use Pascha.
The church itself added celebrating the ressurection/easter on it's own day. That wasn't biblical to do so. That's all I'm stating.
Various sects among the Jew's also debated these days. The Sadducees and Essenes always had the first day of the "weeks" (the seven week period) until Pentecost fall on a Sunday as well.
And as Paul states, Christ became our passover for one and all time. So I take communion in his name as Christ himself stated we should do. I choose to do it at passover because biblically I think that's the right thing to do and because he became our passover. Everyone else can do as their beliefs factor in.
So You are choosing to follow the Pharisaic calender. No big deal.
 
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