Oh boy - I wondered what this whole Mar A Lago thing was about

SimplyMe said:

Classified documents are all kept by the National Archives (NARA), your article even explains how it works -- such as if the ex-President wants to write his memoirs and access those classified records. I've seen nothing to indicate that any classified records would be available through the Obama library, those will remain under the control of NARA -- though some likely will be added to the digital archive as they become unclassified.

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Blade said:

I like Jessie but he can be a tad extravagant? Not sure if thats the right word. But so much of what we know is just speculation. Yet it don't matter any more. They waited way to long to talk to the public. They talked to us in past in matters like this were DEM's were concerned.

Records.. Trump didn't take any. Those that worked for him did. Again this is not about any classified documents we know this. He was fully working with them just before all this. The first subpoena he did exactly what they wanted.. they could have if they wanted did another yet oddly made sure he was not home and raided his house and wifes stuff took things that are not classified at all but just personal But since its Trump if your on the left your very happy this happened to Him and not people like Hillary since no one would ever take that case the FBI told us haha

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MMXX said:

The attorney general should be addressing that, but apparently he's in hiding.

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MMXX said:

Most anyone who works at Mar-a-Lago such as a maintenance worker, house staff member, or a security guard. I've worked as both a janitor and a security guard, and I knew every inch of the places I worked at.

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cow451 said:

Probably some undocumented worker he hired....

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MMXX said:

Yeah, but they were supposedly there retrieve a specific number of boxes, containing specific material, located in a specific place they were taken to by their informant. Obviously that was just an excuse to raid the place and dig up anything they could get their hands on.

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cow451 said:

Probably some undocumented worker he hired....

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cow451 said:

Hiding in plain sight.
Merrick Garland to give a statement on Trump Mar-a-Lago raid

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Lukaris said:

Priorities are always a mystery I guess. There was not much publicity or concerns when former ( & late RIP) “security” advisor Sandy Berger failed to inform President Clinton of Chinese espionage of US nuclear warheads. Berger also failed to return documents from the national security archive.


Sandy Berger - Wikipedia

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In 2005, he was fined and sentenced to two years of probation plus community service for unauthorized removal of classified material from the National Archives. He gave up his license to practice law.

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BPPLEE said:

Not exactly;
Everything you need to know about the controversy over Obama’s presidential library.
"The Presidential Center is unlike most other presidential libraries. Firstly, the Presidential Center is run by the Obama Foundation, a private nonprofit. All other presidential libraries and museums going back to Herbert Hoover are run by the National Archives and Records Administration, a federal agency. Some skeptics fear this privatization opens the door for partisan interests to curate what is meant to be a public archive."

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RDKirk said:

Have you seen the warrant to know those specifics?

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MMXX said:

Yes, the AG sent me a copy right after it was issued.

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RDKirk said:

That's a quibble not relevant to the issue. The point is that the Obama Administration documents are in the National Archive, not at his house. The Obama Foundation had to refer to or duplicate the documents from the National Archive.

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durangodawood said:

People are carrying on as if thats exactly whats happened.

I wish theyd just calm down until they know the facts. But I think theyre just eager to get agitated.

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MMXX said:

I suppose Staatspolizei style raids have that effect on folks.

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RDKirk said:

From your link in the very first paragraph:



Certainly, there was not as much publicity...Berger wasn't president, the nation and media were not as highly politicized, the nation was not going through an existential crisis, and the quantity of material was nowhere near as substantial (Sandy Berger actually stuck the document in his sock to sneak it from the National Archives).

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MMXX said:

It stands to reason he's been hiding from the media until he got his story in order.

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cow451 said:

It's been 48 hours. Sheesh.

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Lukaris said:

I also mentioned as being a supposed security advisor he was briefed about Chinese espionage of US nuclear warheads and neglected to follow up on it to President Clinton. In fact he was briefed in April 1996 & didn’t consult with Clinton until July 1997.

Someone might say why the talk about the 1990s? Now we see how strong China has become ( like threats over Pelosi’s Taiwan visit) and probably empowered to do so.

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RDKirk said:

For a fact, China played the US for suckers during the 90s, and while Clinton was the administration in charge, sucker was a bi-partisan play. Everybody wanted in on that Chinese business opportunity.

I can't say exactly what transpired behind closed doors between Clinton and Berger, but I do know from my own experience in providing ground-level intelligence from the Pacific that the Clinton White House did not want to know anything about China that might trigger automatic legislative political actions against China. There were economic sanctions that by law were to be automatically triggered if China performed certain acts...which they did.

I know that because my team had that kind of information and we had to fight the CIA and the State Department to report it even to military leadership in our own theater. State's response was literally, "Well, you don't really know until they actually launch one." (Our admiral: "Wait...what?") Since no intelligence gets to the president except through the CIA--and they didn't want to acknowledge it--then I can only presume Clinton never heard what we had to say.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if Berger didn't brief it because he knew Clinton didn't want to hear it.

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