Who Saved You and Why?

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The NT equates obedience with faith, such as in Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to God's law.
None of which alters the fact that we are in Christ by faith, apart from faith's necessary works.
 
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I literally quote a verse that shows faith is required of us for salvation, no work whatsoever and you call that works salvation. :scratch:
You literally promote salvation by works, by the actions of men !
 
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None of which alters the fact that we are in Christ by faith, apart from faith's necessary works.
Being in Christ by Faith is different from being in Christ because of faith. By Faith means we come to know we are in Christ, we gain a knowledge of it, a spiritual knowledge. But the elect were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 and when we given Faith, we come to know and rest in that fact, hence by Faith we understand.
 
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Being in Christ by Faith is different from being in Christ because of faith. By Faith means we come to know we are in Christ, we gain a knowledge of it, a spiritual knowledge. But the elect were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 and when we given Faith, we come to know and rest in that fact, hence by Faith we understand.
Two aspects of the same thing.
 
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None of which alters the fact that we are in Christ by faith, apart from faith's necessary works.

Both of those verses are contrary to being in Christ apart from faith's necessary works. Being in Christ is about being in unity with Him through expressing His nature through obeying God's law, which is why those are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and those who choose not to do that are not in Christ and do not have faith in the nature of who he is, which is why only doers of God's law will be justified (Romans 2:13).
 
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Being in Christ by Faith is different from being in Christ because of faith.
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Oh no! The Bible says we have to do something to be saved!
 
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And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Oh no! The Bible says we have to do something to be saved!
Okay, so you can quote a verse.

Still being Justified by Faith is different from being Justified because of Faith.
 
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Which Commandments? The ones the Father gave Moses, or the Deuteronomy 18:18-19 ones that He put in the Mouth of Ιησους... which He confirms in John 12:48-50... and again here:

Matthew 21:33-46 But last of all He sent unto them His Son saying, They will reverence My Son.[38] But when the husbandmen saw the Son they said among themselves, This is the heir: come, let us kill Him and let us seize on His inheritance.[39] And they caught Him and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].

The same Father who commanded the Law of Moses also sent Jesus to spent his ministry teaching us how to correctly obey it, so there is no disagreement in which commandments we should follow. In John 6:38, Jesus did not come to do his own will, but that of the Father, in John 12:46-50, Jesus said that he only said what the Father commanded him to say and that his commandment is eternal life, and in John 14:24, Jesus said that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father, so he did not teach his own set of commandments in disagreement with what the Father has taught. Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy to defeat the temptations of Satan, so he had it memorized and he affirmed its authority. In Deuteronomy 18:18-19, it prophesies about a prophet who would be like Moses, not one who disagreed with Moses. In John 5:45-46, Jesus said that if they believed Moses, then they would believe him because Moses wrote about him, but if they don't believe Moses, then how can they believe his words, so we can't believe in the words of Jesus without also believing in Moses, and there is no sense in appealing to what Moses said in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 as justification for opposing what Moses commanded elsewhere.
 
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Both of those verses are contrary to being in Christ apart from faith's necessary works. Being in Christ is about being in unity with Him through expressing His nature
Not in the NT. . .we are in Christ and he is in us by the new birth.
 
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Would Paul?
Sure. By Faith is different from because of faith. When one is Justified by Faith, it means Faith has revealed to them they are Justified by Christ, but justified because of faith, which isnt even stated in scripture, it means that faith, your act of believing caused God to Justify you, which relegates to works.
 
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The same Father who commanded the Law of Moses also sent Jesus to spent his ministry teaching us how to correctly obey it, so there is no disagreement in which commandments we should follow. In John 6:38, Jesus did not come to do his own will, but that of the Father, in John 12:46-50, Jesus said that he only said what the Father commanded him to say and that his commandment is eternal life, and in John 14:24, Jesus said that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father, so he did not teach his own set of commandments in disagreement with what the Father has taught. Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy to defeat the temptations of Satan, so he had it memorized and he affirmed its authority. In Deuteronomy 18:18-19, it prophesies about a prophet who would be like Moses, not one who disagreed with Moses. In John 5:45-46, Jesus said that if they believed Moses, then they would believe him because Moses wrote about him, but if they don't believe Moses, then how can they believe his words, so we can't believe in the words of Jesus without also believing in Moses, and there is no sense in appealing to what Moses said in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 as justification for opposing what Moses commanded elsewhere.

Maybe you've heard of another Way and another heart? Or maybe not.

Jeremiah 32:39-40 And I will give them another Way and another heart, to fear Me continually, and that for good to them and their children after them.[40] And I will make with them an Everlasting Covenant, which I will by no means turn away from them, and I will put My fear into their heart, that they may not depart from Me.(LXX, Jeremias 39)

This Gospel of the Kingdom was prophesied by Isaiah:

Isaiah 52:3-7 For thus saith the Lord, Ye have been sold for nought; and ye shall not be ransomed with silver.[4] Thus saith the Lord, My people went down before to Egypt to sojourn there; and were carried away forcibly to the Assyrians.[5] And now why are ye here? Thus saith the Lord, Because My people was taken for nothing, wonder ye and howl. Thus saith the Lord, On account of you My name is continually blasphemed among the Gentiles.[6] Therefore shall My people know My name in that day, for I am He that speaks: I am present,[7] as a season of beauty upon the mountains, as the feet of one preaching glad tidings of peace, as one preaching good news: for I will publish thy salvation, saying, O Sion, thy God shall reign.

And fulfilled by Ιησους:

Matthew 10:5-7 These Twelve Ιησους sent forth and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

John 12:44-50 [49] For I have not spoken from Myself: but the Father which sent Me He gave Me a Commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.[50] And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.KJV

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise up to them a prophet of their brethren like thee, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them as I shall Command Him. 19 And whatever man shall not hearken to whatsoever words that prophet shall speak in My name, I will take vengeance on him.LXX

Matthew 4:13-23 And Ιησους went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And Again:

Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me because He has anointed Me.
He has sent Me to preach glad tidings to the poor (1),
to heal the broken in heart, to proclaim liberty to the captives (2)
and recovery of sight to the blind (3),
[2] to declare the acceptable year of the Lord (4)
and the day of recompence; to comfort all that mourn (5);LXX

Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have the Gospel preached to them.(1)
Matthew 4:12-17 The people which sat in darkness saw great light, and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.(2)
[17] From that time Iesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.(4)
John 9:39-41 And Ιησους said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.(3)
Matthew 5:1-4 (Disciples) Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.(5)

Matthew 9:35 And Ιησους went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this Gospel shall be preached in all the world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

And Again

Jeremiah 3:7-12 ...And faithless Juda saw her faithlessness.[8] And I saw that (for all the sins of which she was convicted, wherein the House of Israel committed adultery, and I put her away, and gave into her hands a bill of divorcement,) yet faithless Juda feared not, but went and herself also committed fornication.[9] And her fornication was nothing accounted of; and she committed adultery with wood and stone.[10] And for all these things faithless Juda turned not to Me with all her heart, but falsely.
[11] And the Lord said to me, Israel has justified himself more than faithless Juda.[12] Go and read these words toward the north, and thou shalt say, Return to Me, O House of Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not set My face against you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not be angry with you for ever.

Hosea 1:6-7 And she conceived again, and bore a daughter. And he said to him, Call her name, Unpitied: for I will no more have mercy on the House of Israel, but will surely set myself in array against them.
Hosea 2:1-23 And I will sow her to Me on the Earth, and will love her that was not loved: and will say to that which was not My people, Thou art My people; and they shall say, Thou art the Lord My God."LXX

Jeremiah 31:18-20 I have heard the sound of Ephraim lamenting, and saying, Thou hast chastened me, and I was chastened. I, as a calf was not willingly taught: turn Thou me and I shall turn, for Thou art the Lord My God.[19] For after my captivity I repented, and after I knew I groaned for the day of shame, and shewed Thee that I bore reproach from my youth.[20] Ephraim is a beloved son, a pleasing child to me: for because My words are in him, I will surely remember him: therefore I made haste to help him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the Lord.LXX

1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light:[10] Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 1, House of Israel)

Matthew 4:12-17 Now when Ιησους had heard that John was cast into prison He departed into Galilee.[13] And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:[14] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying:[15] The land of Zabulon and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea beyond Jordan, Galilee of the ἐθνῶν:[16] The people which sat in darkness saw great light, and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.[17] From that time Ιησους began to preach and to say: Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel

Salvation for Non Christian
 
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