Who Saved You and Why?

Old Lady said:

Who Saved You and Why?

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Who: Ιησους Εμμανουήλ.

Matthew 1:21-23 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name Ιησους: for He shall save His people from their sins.[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Εμμανουήλ, which being interpreted is, God with us. (Isaiah 7:14)

Why: For the Father's name.

Isaiah 52:3-7 For thus saith the Lord, Ye have been sold for nought; and ye shall not be ransomed with silver.[4] Thus saith the Lord, My people went down before to Egypt to sojourn there; and were carried away forcibly to the Assyrians.
[5] And now why are ye here? Thus saith the Lord, Because My people was taken for nothing, wonder ye and howl. Thus saith the Lord, On account of you My name is continually blasphemed among the nations.
[6] Therefore shall My people know My name in that day, for I am He that speaks: I am present,[7] as a season of beauty upon the mountains, as the feet of one preaching glad tidings of peace, as one preaching good news: for I will publish thy salvation, saying, O Sion, thy God shall reign.LXX

I am He that speaks: Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:48-50, John 7:16-17
Assyrian Captivity, House of Israel: sent, Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:5-7
good news reign of God: Matthew 4:15-23 And Ιησους went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom.

John 6:44-45 No man can come to Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.[45] It is written in the prophets: And they shall be all taught by God. Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned from the Father, cometh unto Me. (John 10:16, Matthew 23:8-10)

Revelation 3:7-11 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:[8] I know thy works: Behold, I have set before thee an open door and no man can shut it, for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word and hast not denied My name. ...[11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Isaiah 59:20-21 And the deliverer shall come for Sion’s sake and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.[21] And this shall be My Covenant with them, said the Lord: My Spirit which is upon Thee, and the words which I have put in Thy mouth shall never fail from Thy mouth, nor from the mouth of Thy seed, for the Lord has spoken it henceforth and for ever.LXX

Soyeong said:

Has God give any laws for how to do what is godly or for how to renounce doing what is ungodly?

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Christ fulfilled the Law for His People, Look to Christ for all the Law Keeping Righteousness required by the Law. My Righteousness is Christ. 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Soyeong said:

I didn't say anything about threatening anyone.

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So what are you talking about. The Gospel is the Gospel of Peace. It has nothing to do with the Law, save that Christ has fulfilled it for His People. Isnt that Good News ?

servant7777 said:

If someone was saved, they would fear God, knowing everybody who is not saved has that missing.

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An angel from Heaven... preaching a gospel:

Revelation 14:6-7 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven, having the Everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every nation and kindred, and tongue and people,[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters.

servant7777 said:

we are only allowed to teach the cross and Christ crucified

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According to Paul, "the apostle to the gentiles".

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Doesn't include the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel:

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said,
I am not sent but unto the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel.

Since the word sent is apostle (ἀπεστάλην), then

Ιησους is apostle to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

Soyeong said:

Christ's example of obedience to God's law

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Book, chapter and verse, please.

Brightfame52 said:

Christ fulfilled the Law for His People

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Book, Chapter and Verse?

Different from these ones:

The scripture fulfilled in John 19:28-30 (KJV) is about the Passover Lamb ...hyssop is the clue... it doesn't mean all of the OT Law, or it's breaking Deuteronomy 13:1-3. The Old Heaven and Earth will pass away in Revelation 21:6, with the saying, It is done (fulfilled).KJV

Ligurian said:

Book, Chapter and Verse?

Different from these ones:

The scripture fulfilled in John 19:28-30 is about the Passover Lamb ...hyssop is the clue... it doesn't mean all of the OT Law, or it's breaking Deuteronomy 13:1-3. The Old Heaven and Earth will pass away in Revelation 21:6, with the saying, It is done (fulfilled).

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I have already established. If you dont believe it, thats unbelief !

Clare73 said:

According to NT apostolic teaching, we are in Christ for the reason of our faith.

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The NT equates obedience with faith, such as in Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to God's law.

Brightfame52 said:

Christ fulfilled the Law for His People, Look to Christ for all the Law Keeping Righteousness required by the Law. My Righteousness is Christ. 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

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Ligurian said:

Book, Chapter and Verse? ...Different from these ones: The scripture fulfilled in John 19:28-30 (KJV) is about the Passover Lamb ...hyssop is the clue... it doesn't mean all of the OT Law, or it's breaking Deuteronomy 13:1-3. The Old Heaven and Earth will pass away in Revelation 21:6, with the saying, It is done (fulfilled).KJV

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Brightfame52 said:

I have already established. If you dont believe it, thats unbelief !

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Am I supposed to have belief in you? (sigh) Book, Chapter and Verse, please.

Brightfame52 said:

I have already established. If you dont believe it, thats unbelief !

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You have repeatedly neglected to show where the Bible says that.

Brightfame52 said:

So what are you talking about. The Gospel is the Gospel of Peace. It has nothing to do with the Law, save that Christ has fulfilled it for His People. Isnt that Good News ?

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In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so God's law is directly connected with the Gospel of Peace. It is good news that we get to live blessed lives and have the delight of getting to express the nature of God by walking in His way in obedience to His law and get to be a blessing to others by teaching others had to do that in accordance with the promise. If God did all of the good that was available for us to do and didn't leave anything for us to do, then we would quite literally be good for nothing, which would not be good news.

David said repeatedly throughout the Psalms that he loved God's law and delighted in obeying it, so we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22), but you hold a view of God's law that is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture. For example, in Psalms 1:1-2, blessed are those who...delight in the Law of the Lord and who meditate on it day and night, so we can't believe in the truth of these words as Scripture while not allowing them to shape our view of God's law. And if we share the view of God's law that is expressed in the Psalms, then we will indeed view getting to obey it in accordance with the Gospel as being good news.

Ligurian said:

Am I supposed to have belief in you? (sigh) Book, Chapter and Verse, please.

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You should have paid attention

Soyeong said:

The NT equates obedience with faith, such as in Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.

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Which Commandments? The ones the Father gave Moses, or the Deuteronomy 18:18-19 ones that He put in the Mouth of Ιησους... which He confirms in John 12:48-50... and again here:

Matthew 21:33-46 But last of all He sent unto them His Son saying, They will reverence My Son.[38] But when the husbandmen saw the Son they said among themselves, This is the heir: come, let us kill Him and let us seize on His inheritance.[39] And they caught Him and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].

Soyeong said:

You have repeatedly neglected to show where the Bible says that.



In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so God's law is directly connected with the Gospel of Peace. It is good news that we get to live blessed lives and have the delight of getting to express the nature of God by walking in His way in obedience to His law and get to be a blessing to others by teaching others had to do that in accordance with the promise. If God did all of the good that was available for us to do and didn't leave anything for us to do, then we would quite literally be good for nothing, which would not be good news.

David said repeatedly throughout the Psalms that he loved God's law and delighted in obeying it, so we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22), but you hold a view of God's law that is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture. For example, in Psalms 1:1-2, blessed are those who...delight in the Law of the Lord and who meditate on it day and night, so we can't believe in the truth of these words as Scripture while not allowing them to shape our view of God's law. And if we share the view of God's law that is expressed in the Psalms, then we will indeed view getting to obey it in accordance with the Gospel as being good news.

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Christ is the Righteousness of the Saints. God made Him so 1 Cor 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Brightfame52 said:

Thats works, salvation conditioned on man !

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Nothing works salvation about it. It's biblical.

Soyeong said:

In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so God's law is directly connected with the Gospel of Peace.

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Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

I was born into it. My sister had me pray the "sinner's prayer" when I was about 8, but I knew and loved Jesus already. Throughout the years since then I've built up my knowledge of what the Bible says, and allowed my belief and faith to be challenged, but it's always been deeply engrained since the beginning.

Not a Calvinist myself but Total Depravity and Irresistible Grace are so on the mark there really is no denying them. Many people claim to be Christians but there are many (read many) who will say, "Lord, Lord" and the Lord will say, "Depart from me."

1 Corinthians 2:14–16 NAS20
“But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one. For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.”

Crystal clear.

renniks said:

Nothing works salvation about it. It's biblical.

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You think its biblical, but its works conditioned on man !

soyeyong

so God's law is directly connected with the Gospel of Peace

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Sure if its used lawfully, the law is connected to the Gospel. Christ has fulfilled the Law for His People, and all for whom He lived and died, the righteousness that the Law required of man, its imputed as a free gift to all for whom Christ lived and died. So yeah its connected that way. The Law is fulfilled in us, not by us, as we walk by Faith in Christ Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

To walk after the Spirit is to walk by Faith. Christ is my Righteousness, because He fulfilled the Law for me ! And not only me, but to everyone believing !

Old Lady said:

1. IOW, what or Who causes a person to become a Christian?
2. My questions usually result in more questions. I apologize in advance.

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In a nutshell salvation is attained by cooperation with God.

BNR32FAN said:

In a nutshell salvation is attained by cooperation with God.

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Thats man centered works salvation !