Is the Earth Flat?

Degrees of Earth flatness:

  • It's not flat. It's a giant, spinning spaceball.

    Votes: 90 82.6%
  • It's flat, but all the other planets are giant, spinning spaceballs.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It's flat, and a dome surrounds it.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • It's flat, a dome surrounds it, and the Earth is the center of the universe.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • It's flat, domed, and planets/stars are actually illusions/objects in the dome.

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • It's all of the above, and the government is covering it all up at the behest of Satan.

    Votes: 8 7.3%

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It's simple... if you want to accept it....

If the earth is flat... and has a solid firmament... and is not rotating, floating in space... and the sun and moon are much smaller and very close..... Where does the satanic, athesitic, Darwinian model of evolution stand?

A snow globe.... stationary enclosed flat earth destroys the evolutionary fable... They have to have a model that accepts random chance occurance of a spherical earth that just happened to spawn it's own life...

That..... is the reason to cover up the FE.
Well we could never go to space because we can't get through the firmament and airplanes would run into it if they got too close to the edge, the same with ships. I don't think a spherical earth supports the TOE, I still believe in creation.
 
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There is only ONE TRUTH, and truth is not subjective. The purpose of the Bible is for God to reveal that truth to us not to promote delusional fictions.

Is there anything in the Bible that expressly confirms or denies the shape of the earth? The only Truth we need to know is of Jesus and His Word.

There is no reason. Nobody has anything to gain from such preposterous efforts to cover up a lie of that magnitude.

Do you mean that God could not let fallible man create such a deception?
Here's something to consider. We have certain fallible men who dare to say that the Bible was a creation of man, in order to deceive and/or placate the masses.
If man could create such a deception as the Bible, he could certainly create such deception of a globe earth.
The purpose? To deny the infallible Word of God by looking out past Him and His creation.
I still would not call myself a flat-earther, as I could be wrong. But I believe it's possible - as are all things through God. To Him be the Glory, and not the earth. Amen.
 
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Here's something to consider. We have certain fallible men who dare to say that the Bible was a creation of man, in order to deceive and/or placate the masses.
If man could create such a deception as the Bible, he could certainly create such deception of a globe earth.

This is not even close to the same magnitude of a conspiracy to deceive people. Your comparing two completely different scenarios. The people who promoted the word of God were testifying to what they witnessed first hand to reveal the truth as opposed to the conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth whereas people would be doing the exact opposite. They would be testifying against what they’ve actually witnessed to promote a lie. So these are two completely different scenarios that are in opposition to one another. Not to mention that it’s not hard to look outside the window of an airplane and see the curvature of the earth for yourself. I’ve seen it many times flying to and from Hawaii and the Philippines. When you see the ocean bending to the curvature of the earth it’s not hard to conclude that the earth is not flat. How can you explain this?

The purpose? To deny the infallible Word of God by looking out past Him and His creation.

You said yourself that nothing in the scriptures neither confirm nor deny the shape of the earth so if that is the case then there would be no purpose for the deception since you agree that it’s not mentioned in the Bible.

Is there anything in the Bible that expressly confirms or denies the shape of the earth?

Do you mean that God could not let fallible man create such a deception?

No that’s not what I said nor implicated at all. I said no one has anything to gain from creating a conspiracy of that magnitude. Do you have any idea of the efforts, resources, cooperation and manpower that would be necessary to pull off such a worldwide deception? And for what? What would the perpetrators of the conspiracy have to gain from all this effort to hide the shape of the world. It’s ridiculous.
 
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This is not even close to the same magnitude of a conspiracy to deceive people. Your comparing two completely different scenarios. The people who promoted the word of God were testifying to what they witnessed first hand to reveal the truth as opposed to the conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth whereas people would be doing the exact opposite. They would be testifying against what they’ve actually witnessed to promote a lie. So these are two completely different scenarios that are in opposition to one another. Not to mention that it’s not hard to look outside the window of an airplane and see the curvature of the earth for yourself. I’ve seen it many times flying to and from Hawaii and the Philippines. When you see the ocean bending to the curvature of the earth it’s not hard to conclude that the earth is not flat. How can you explain this?

I agree that perhaps it wasn't the best comparison to make. I've only been in an aircraft a few times and haven't been able to witness anything re. the curvature. But I wasn't looking for it either. I suppose if you see it with your own eyes then that could confirm something for you.
You said yourself that nothing in the scriptures neither confirm nor deny the shape of the earth so if that is the case then there would be no purpose for the deception since you agree that it’s not mentioned in the Bible.
Unless the purpose of the deception was to lead people away from God by looking for things outside of the earth.
No that’s not what I said nor implicated at all. I said no one has anything to gain from creating a conspiracy of that magnitude. Do you have any idea of the efforts, resources, cooperation and manpower that would be necessary to pull off such a worldwide deception? And for what? What would the perpetrators of the conspiracy have to gain from all this effort to hide the shape of the world. It’s ridiculous.
Well, they would 'gain the world'. The control of it, along with the perceptions of mankind.
I agree that the order of magnitude and co-operation of such deception is so large that it seems incredulous. But it's not outwith the realms of possibility. Look at the times we're in now, with science and technology. Did, say 30 years ago, you ever think you would see such technological marvels?
I'm not a blind faith believer in science though.
 
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I agree that perhaps it wasn't the best comparison to make. I've only been in an aircraft a few times and haven't been able to witness anything re. the curvature. But I wasn't looking for it either. I suppose if you see it with your own eyes then that could confirm something for you.

Unless the purpose of the deception was to lead people away from God by looking for things outside of the earth.

Well, they would 'gain the world'. The control of it, along with the perceptions of mankind.
I agree that the order of magnitude and co-operation of such deception is so large that it seems incredulous. But it's not outwith the realms of possibility. Look at the times we're in now, with science and technology. Did, say 30 years ago, you ever think you would see such technological marvels?
I'm not a blind faith believer in science though.

I fail to see how making a person believe that the earth is a sphere gives them any sort of control over that person and let’s keep in mind that probably about 99% of Christians believe that the earth is a sphere and it hasn’t in any way hindered their ability to love and serve God.
 
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I agree that perhaps it wasn't the best comparison to make. I've only been in an aircraft a few times and haven't been able to witness anything re. the curvature. But I wasn't looking for it either. I suppose if you see it with your own eyes then that could confirm something for you.

Unless the purpose of the deception was to lead people away from God by looking for things outside of the earth.

Well, they would 'gain the world'. The control of it, along with the perceptions of mankind.
I agree that the order of magnitude and co-operation of such deception is so large that it seems incredulous. But it's not outwith the realms of possibility. Look at the times we're in now, with science and technology. Did, say 30 years ago, you ever think you would see such technological marvels?
I'm not a blind faith believer in science though.

What makes you think that millions of people would go along with this conspiracy to hide the shape of the world? Why wouldn’t they want to expose the conspiracy and tell everyone the truth?
 
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I fail to see how making a person believe that the earth is a sphere gives them any sort of control over that person and let’s keep in mind that probably about 99% of Christians believe that the earth is a sphere and it hasn’t in any way hindered their ability to love and serve God.

Well to a true Christian the shape of the earth matters not a jot! But to the non-believer it could lend weight to another non-biblical narrative; namely one that ties in with extra-terrestrial life.
Now while I can't find any biblical reference that expressly confirms or denies the existence of other life forms outside of the earth; for me, the mere fact of looking or searching for these takes our focus off God. Whether your a Christian or not; whether you realize it or not; we have been programmed (for want of a better word) to accept the idea that there may be other life. I don't feel that adds to the story and purpose of what we're told in the Bible, and of our mission here on earth.
 
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What makes you think that millions of people would go along with this conspiracy to hide the shape of the world? Why wouldn’t they want to expose the conspiracy and tell everyone the truth?
I don't know the mechanics of how that would work. That is why the whole theory seems incredulous.
 
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photos are useless because you only believe what you want to believe. You believe in a worldwide conspiracy to cover up the fact that the earth is flat for no apparent reason at all. There’s no reason for the government to lie about the shape of the earth. If it was flat they would tell us it’s flat not to mention that it would be the biggest kept secret ever kept by millions of people. All captains, sailors, pilots, air traffic control technicians, communications technicians, astronauts, astronomers, geographers, and countless more people in various fields all agreed to keep this secret with absolutely no leaks at all. It’s the most incredibly preposterous theory I’ve ever heard in my entire life that only the most gullible and irrational people on the planet could possibly believe. This has nothing to do with the Bible it’s nothing more than a cult society wanting to indulge in fantasy and let their imagination run wild supporting one another with the most ridiculous theories possible. The Bible is a book of truth, it’s not a book of fantasy where we can just let our imagination run wild. It takes discernment to understand it and it’s not ok to just believe whatever we want to believe. There is only ONE TRUTH, and truth is not subjective. The purpose of the Bible is for God to reveal that truth to us not to promote delusional fictions. Fiction is deception from the truth they are polar opposites. God’s word does not promote deception.

Lying is governments nature. The unusual from government is when they tell the truth.
 
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I'm just curious, what is the benefit of lying to everyone and telling them the earth is round? Who profits from that? Why did they fake those photos of the earth taken from space and what is the goal of this huge conspiracy to deceive people into believing the earth is round?

Do you believe evolution is a lie.
 
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Well we could never go to space because we can't get through the firmament and airplanes would run into it if they got too close to the edge, the same with ships. I don't think a spherical earth supports the TOE, I still believe in creation.
I understand your assumptions. However, ships can never run into it.. nor airplanes.

You really need to do some homework. Look into Admiral Byrd, Operation Highjump, Operation fishbowl, Operation Dominique.

Also, do look into the Rob Skiba videos and talks on this. Your statements, above will be answered and your view of the FE model will become more clear.

You will understand why these points show your lack of knowledge of the model.
 
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I understand your assumptions. However, ships can never run into it.. nor airplanes.

You really need to do some homework. Look into Admiral Byrd, Operation Highjump, Operation fishbowl, Operation Dominique.

Also, do look into the Rob Skiba videos and talks on this. Your statements, above will be answered and your view of the FE model will become more clear.

You will understand why these points show your lack of knowledge of the model.
Thanks but I really don't intend to spend a lot of time looking into apologetics for the concept of a flat earth. Is Atlas holding it up or is it on the backs of turtles? The notion is too ridiculous to take seriously.
 
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Evolution just means change over time. Natural selection happens. But do I believe men and chimpanzees share a common ancestor? No. I believe God created man.

But do you believe it is a lie or do you just believe the scientist are just mistaken.
 
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Thanks but I really don't intend to spend a lot of time looking into apologetics for the concept of a flat earth. Is Atlas holding it up or is it on the backs of turtles? The notion is too ridiculous to take seriously.

You can say the above about God's creation a stationary plain earth.

But yet turn around and say you believe water can magically adhere to a floating rotating sphere. That some how just floats out in nothing and moves at high rates of speed around a huge fire ball.

Really which one, really takes imagination to believe in, just like santa claus, the teaching of this globe earth starts at a young age when the mind is at its most accepting of fairy tales.
 
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You can say the above about God's creation a stationary plain earth.

But yet turn around and say you believe water can magically adhere to a floating rotating sphere. That some how just floats out in nothing and moves at high rates of speed around a huge fire ball.

Really which one, really takes imagination to believe in, just like santa claus, the teaching of this globe earth starts at a young age when the mind is at its most accepting of fairy tales.
Its called gravity. I used to put Hot Wheels cars in a plastic circular container and shake it back and forth and the car would climb the walls of the container. It's the same force that keeps us from floating off the earth and makes things fall.
 
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Also, do look into the Rob Skiba videos and talks on this. Your statements, above will be answered and your view of the FE model will become more clear
His video explaining sunsets due to atmospheric lensing is completely wrong. He uses the half of the lense below the focal point, bending light upwards instead of downwards which is what actually happens with atmospheric lensing. I haven't watched any other videos of his as I assume they are of the same calibre.
 
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I've only been in an aircraft a few times and haven't been able to witness anything re. the curvature
You don't need be be up in a plane to see the curvature of the earth, all you need is to observe the horizon off the coast at different elevations with a water level. On a flat earth the horizon would always be at eye level no matter what elevation you view from due to perspective, but the horizon falls increasingly lower than eye level the higher your elevation because the earth is curving downward from your viewpoint.
 
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