Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

JohnRemnant said:

Did not imply Christians offer sacrifice. You jumped the gun a bit fast and misread me. And this was not the main point of the post .Only to share insight of
Daniel 9:27 kjv.

Hosea 14:2
Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

I mentioned that this is a prophetic figure of speech, like used in Revelation.
So in a spiritual sense.. Sacrifice was done by the Levitical Priests. But the believer offered up the best they had to God.
But today, Christians sacrifice their love and acceptable service to God.
The Lords Passover, which is called communion today is also symbolic of Christ sacrifice and He instructs Christians to take the unleavened bread and wine every Passover and Pentecost
(as often as they met).

Much Like Ezekiel 40- 48 is about The Lords Day yet uses animal sacrifice as a illustration for the spiritual. Since flesh and blood cannot inherent Gods Kingdom and all are changed at that time.

Likewise Daniel is using language that is symbolic the timeline and subject dictates its a illustration.
The Daily sacrifice in this sense then is faith in Christ. Which we live daily. Not just one day of the week or one day of the year. If belief is said to stop its because of the subject, Satan standing in the hearts of Christians claiming to be what he's not ( Christ is the temple ) But Satan will claim to be.

So daily sacrificed stopped in prophetic language, but in plain language its called The Great Apostasy 2 Thessalians 2.

• Anti in Greek means (instead of). So instead of Christ, first comes Satan claiming to be. This is all anti means. It can mean apposed if as individuals. But Satan himself being the subject matter, comes disguised as an angel of light. Specifically as Christ.
  
  
• Visually seeing is already explained, in Revelation 13. And 2 Thessalians 2. But the subject aims to warn the believer from apostasy, and the crux of the matter is the heart. The warning involves beliefs. Its already established Satan appears to the world with quite a show. But this is not the main focus of the entire teaching around it. But to avoid deception.
  
  
• There is no 3rd temple mentioned anywhere in scriptures. But Christ is the temple Satan wants to sit in, basically in the hearts and minds of the people he becomes head of Christians. And that is an abomination and idolotry and adultery in the highest degree.
  
  Jerusalem is the geo location.
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  A genuine believer would be The Elect and they have to know what Gods word says. If they believe in mans words then they wont weather this storm. Rapture for example teaches they dont have to even worry about Revelation. Thus Gods word is supplanted by traditions of men and that teaching is very popular. It teaches all Christians to worship and fall before the first one that appears claiming to be Christ. And in this, most of the worlds Christians are deceived. And they were very well Christians. Up until that point. Revelation is clear. Christ is giving the warning to the churches. Are they listening? I think not. There is a reason Christ is very dire about this warning and revealing Revelation.
  
  To go back and illustrate the figure or analogy Daniel used before,
  Ezekiel 40-48 is during The Lords Day ( Rev 20 ).
  There is no flesh and blood. Yet animal sacrifice is used as illustration;
  for the Spiritual work The Elect do during this time of a thousand years tending to the people and work of God. So the mind must make the connection this is illustration and update it for the time its about. The Lords Day.
  
  Ezekiel 40:
  9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
  
  10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
  
  11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
  
  12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.
  
  13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
  
  14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
  
  15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

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Finally someone else around here not taking some of these things in a literal sense.

Douggg said:

I think a better way to put it is the hierarchy of evil will be...
Satan, the beast, the false prophet.

The beast and the false prophet both get power from Satan to do different things.

At Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Oiives directly across from the temple mount, where the beast and the false prophet will be, as well as the abomination of desolation statue image incarnated by Satan - the statue image will be turned to ashes and Satan will be exposed in his form for all to see him. I get that from Ezekiel 28:16-19.

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Ezekiel 28:16-19 is an allegory revealing Satan's humiliation. But I'm not sure it means he will be seen in a physical form, though I might be wrong.

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

I agree that the harlots is the Vatican. I also believe that the False Prophet will become pope while declaring the Antichrist and the Messiah returned.

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If the False Prophet will become the Pope, how come scriptures say that believers will be persecuted by the Antichrist?

earthmover said:

The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C. You need to re-calculate from that point forward.

This information can be read in the"Coming Prince" bySir Robert Anderson.

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The commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given in 457, not 445 under Artaxerxes I.

earthmover said:

The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C. You need to re-calculate from that point forward.

This information can be read in the"Coming Prince" bySir Robert Anderson.

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I find it very interesting that my date for Aftaxerxes decree was March 13 444 BC, almost exactly 1 year different. Hmmm

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

I find it very interesting that my date for Aftaxerxes decree was March 13 444 BC, almost exactly 1 year different. Hmmm

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*Artaxerxes

So while taking 2300 years back from the date of the 2nd Coming of Christ, I come to 261 BC. That just happens to be right when Antiochus II is reported to begin his reign. Statistically I would say that is significant.

Deafsilence, you're on the right track, however Antiochus IV Epiphanes completed his desecration of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem (and became the Abomination of Desolation) on December 25th, 167 BC (Julian calendar used at the time).
2300 Holy years (360 day years) later, on December 7th, 2101 the Holy Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

Deafsilence, you're on the right track, however Antiochus IV Epiphanes completed his desecration of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem (and became the Abomination of Desolation) on December 25th, 167 BC (Julian calendar used at the time).
2300 Holy years (360 day years) later, on December 7th, 2101 the Holy Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.

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Chris, that is just not in the numbers. That would be at least 42 jubilees from the Crucifixion and give man at least 121 Jubilees of dominion.

Christian Gedge said:

@DavidPT and @Chris Thomas Shepherd
Well, Saints Paul, Matthew, Luke, John, Peter and John the Baptist all refer to the start of Daniel’s seventieth week. As for a reference to the entirety of the seventy weeks, we can point to how Jesus alludes to the Seventy Weeks in cryptic language.

The verse I am thinking of is when Peter asked Jesus how often should he forgive, then suggested what he thought was generous "Up to seven times," he posits.

"Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22)​

Jesus answer was cryptic, but I think he was referring to the long era of forgiveness 490 years that God was giving his people Israel until he introduced his New Covenant. In other words, if it was good enough for God to wait seventy times seven, it is good enough for us to forgive seventy times seven too.

Surely Jesus had Daniel in mind when he made that statement.

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I never looked at it this way, but it makes sense to me.

Christian Gedge said:

“We were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive adoption as sons.”
So, the ‘fulness of the time’ (I think) refers to the seventy weeks coming to completion.

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CG, Paul was make a comparison of a child become a heir at an appointed by the child's father - in Galatians 4:1-2. The "fulness of the time was come" in verse 4 - is analogous to the time appointed in verse 1-2.

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Paul was not making any mention of the 70 weeks in Galatians 4. Paul was not making any interpretation of the 70th week in Galatians 4.

Deafsilence said:

KEEP this in mind. IF you don't count 120 contiguous days from Pentecost to the Day of atonement, then your understanding of how God's calendar works or how to count the Pentecost is in error.

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GOD's calendar or Jewish calendar?
Based in the Word of God, the source of the Truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (2Pet.3:8) so MANKIND, yeah, MANKIND, would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years). Actually, Genesis is a Plan of GOD to restitution or restoration of all things-Acts 3:v.17 to 26-, according they were in the garden of Eden.

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JohnRemnant said:

The midst of the week, where the daily oblation ceases, this is actually the second woe of Revelation. When Satan is here claiming to be Christ. Those verses are yet future. Symbolically, its in this sense this term is used "the daily sacrifice stops". Because instead of Christians worshiping Christ, they take their belief and faith to Satan thinking he is Christ. At the second woe, aka The Sixth Trump. Revelation 13, when the second beast ( Satan ) appears claiming to be the lamb slain. Paul taught this too 2 Thessalians 2
(the falling away aka apostasy).
This is that overspreading of abomination that makes desolate. Or the desolator upon wings brings desolation. Christ taught that in Matthew 24.

The whole of the tribulation of Satan was shortened by Christ for The Elects sake or no one would have salvation. ( no flesh saved ). Because Satan would be that convincing.

We get the exact timeline this was shortened to in Revelation 9. To Five Months. Daniel's original time could still apply only in the sense of its building, to that point.

But the actual woes, thus the tribulation itself of antichrist , are contained in a space of Five Months.

So the midst of the week is half way through Five Months Satan appears claiming to be Christ to the world. Its not long after this does Christ return actually after the two witnesses are put to death and resurrect.

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Let me brings more some interpretations about a period of perilous time the believers must pass in days to come, day after day, and about the events you have above described:

The sacrifice of JESUS lasted until the current time around 727000 days - THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH, THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB (Revelation 13:v.11-18 combined with John 5:v.43, and 2 Thes.2:v.8)- THEN THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN, as was prophesied by Daniel.
Dan.7:v.7- ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it; and it had (10) ten horns.
v.8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,...and, behold, in this (little) horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN, and a mouth speaking great things.
Daniel 8:v.11 says: - 11 Yea, he (the little horn, by his mouth) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host(it is Michael-Revelation 12:v.7), and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

The false lamb, the false messiah(John 5:v.43), he is also a Jew, and he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, it may be from the tribe of Dan as prophesied Jacob-Genesis:49: v.16-17. The false messiah (John 5:v.43) will rise up from the earth-from Israel-exactly from one of the (10) ten tribes of Israel - HE IS THE LITTLE HORN).
The false lamb, the false messiah-John 5:v.43- has two horns. Two horns represent the two kingdoms of Israel, but he will rise up from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, as prophesied Jacob. Gen.49:v.16-17

Actually, the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the Beast like a lamb, the MAN of sin and the son of perdition(the little horn), sits in the temple of GOD -JERUSALEM-, shewing himself that he is God-2 Thes.2:v.4-, then the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days, I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event through the Jewish false messiah(2Thess.2:v.9), and face of the abomination of the place of sanctuary.

Revelation 11:v.2-3 reveals how will be the FIRST half of the last week (1260 days).
2 - The COURT which is WITHOUT the temple it will be given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months(a half of the week of years), because the false messiah will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority to the Gentile MAN Beast of sea, and his wounded head will be healed (Revelation 13:v.2-3.Check it.)

3 And GOD will give power unto His two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth., ended the FIRST half, the false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah will be enthroned in JERUSALEM-spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, for 1290 days, and the sanctuary will be cast down, the Abomination of Desolate is established fro 1290 days. The Dispensation of Grace ends.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan.12:v.12 - Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day1.335. Hallelujaaah!!!

Trivalee said:

As God is the divine Trinity, Satan too, (the copycat that he is) will too, have an evil trinity for himself. They are:

• Satan [the dragon that gives power to the beast] Revelation 13:4
• Antichrist [the beast] Rev 13:2
• The False Prophet Revelation 13:11-12

Satan never took on a discernible physical form in the Bible, he will operate through two human beings whom he has endowed with power. The Antichrist and False Prophet will be flesh and blood just like everyone else. But whereas the AC derives his power directly from Satan, the FP will, in turn, receive his power from the AC.

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In fact, there is a satanic trinity, as is revealed in Revelation 16:v.13-16.

Revelation 16:v.13 to 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs) come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the False Prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
And JESUS warned:
verse 15 - Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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Christian Gedge said:

Thanks Trivalee. Yeah, when we will look around the New Testament casually there doesn’t seem to be much about the 70 weeks. But when we focus on the subject clues appear that we never noticed before. Another example is how St Paul calls the end of weeks the ‘Fullness of the Time.’

“We were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive adoption as sons.”​

So, the ‘fulness of the time’ (I think) refers to the seventy weeks coming to completion.

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Only there's 2000 years between the 1st advent and the Messiah's return.

Christian Gedge said:

Thanks Trivalee. Yeah, when we will look around the New Testament casually there doesn’t seem to be much about the 70 weeks. But when we focus on the subject clues appear that we never noticed before. Another example is how St Paul calls the end of weeks the ‘Fullness of the Time.’

“We were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive adoption as sons.”​

So, the ‘fulness of the time’ (I think) refers to the seventy weeks coming to completion.

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Trivalee said:

Only there's 2000 years between the 1st advent and the Messiah's return.

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"When we will look around the New Testament" , the most emphatic and suggestive reference about the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, mentioned also in Daniel 12:v.11, was made by JESUS in Matthew 24:v.15, also in Mark 13:v.14. JESUS also said: ... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled-Luke 21:v.24, by the way, this prophetic assertion of our Lord JESUS was in the sealed book of the Father, which GOD gave unto JESUS, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John, according Revelation 11:v.2-6: -
2 But the COURT which is WITHOUT the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the JERUSALEM shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, ...4 These are the two olive trees (source of annoint oil-The Old and New Testaments) , and the two candlesticks (two annointed Churches-the Jewish Church and the Gentile Church) standing before the God of the earth.

5 If any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will: - (The righteous Judment of GOD by His Word, the Judgment Seat of Christ)

Joel 2:v.1-3
2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; (that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a Day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them -GOD is a devouring FIRE- the Word is GOD- ; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Oseas said:

"When we will look around the New Testament" , the most emphatic and suggestive reference about the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, mentioned also in Daniel 12:v.11, was made by JESUS in Matthew 24:v.15, also in Mark 13:v.14. JESUS also said: ... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled-Luke 21:v.24, by the way, this prophetic assertion of our Lord JESUS was in the sealed book of the Father, which GOD gave unto JESUS, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John, according Revelation 11:v.2-6: -
2 But the COURT which is WITHOUT the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the JERUSALEM shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, ...4 These are the two olive trees (source of annoint oil-The Old and New Testaments) , and the two candlesticks (two annointed Churches-the Jewish Church and the Gentile Church) standing before the God of the earth.

5 If any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will: - (The righteous Judment of GOD by His Word, the Judgment Seat of Christ)

Joel 2:v.1-3
2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; (that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a Day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them -GOD is a devouring FIRE- the Word is GOD- ; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

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The 70 weeks will be completed at the end of the great tribulation (3.5 years) when everything shall be accomplished, see Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 10:7.

Christian Gedge said:

If we say ‘fullness of times’, then it would refer to all time as you have suggested. But there is that little word, ‘the’, suggesting that Paul is speaking about a particular block of time. “fullness of *the* time.”

So, time has not ceased per se but the era of the “weeks” climaxed in Jesus first coming. That is not to say there is not a further block of time culminating in his second coming. Otherwise we would be preterists, which we are not.

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Daniel was told that all the wonders will be finished after the Antichrist has scattered the power of the holy people, the church (Dan 12:6-7 & Rev 10:7). In my estimation that's when the 70 weeks will be completed.