Revelation 12:12

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"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” —Matthew 18:20

You mean, that wasn't Jesus saying that? I don't know why they would put it in Red in my Bible. It could be an error.
Jesus is with us through His Spirit, but we will not be in His physical presence until His Second Coming.

This has not happened yet…

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
 
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Not for sure on the meaning of this particular statement, but we can use Revelation to interpret Revelation here. Multiple times in Revelation, John tells us that the time is short for Jesus to return.

Therefore, if we assume that this "time is short" is a reference to the same shart period of time elsewhere in the book, then there are two possibilities. 1) Preterism is true, and this is about something that happened in the first century, or 2) The "time is short" should be understood to include the whole church age since Jesus rose from death.

If we want to argue that the "short" period of time lasts for 1000 years, then obviously this isn't a literal interpretation. Those are just my thoughts

You raise a very valid point here about Preterism and the Book of Revelation.

Revelation does seem to indicate events set in more than one "time table". Much of what happened from the birth of Christ to the destruction of Jerusalem is portrayed in Revelation. Yet Revelation also talks about the destruction of the cosmos and the end of time.

Interestingly if you were to look at the warnings (and events) connected to the end of the OT system (1st century AD) and compare them to what's happening today; you will see "history repeats itself" is a very real phenomena, as elements of both eras can be seen in Revelation.

As per the specific phrase "He's filled with fury because he knows his time is short." The context of that segment of Revelation (the woman in the wilderness) as it relates specifically to the birth of the Messiah in history, is connected to Preterist understanding of Christ being the fulfillment of the OT and the dismantling of that system.
 
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Jesus is with us through His Spirit, but we will not be in His physical presence until His Second Coming.

This has not happened yet…

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Then WE who are alive and remain...

The "We" would include Paul (who wrote the letter) who was expecting to be a part a part of what he was describing. But he no longer remains with us today. So, maybe it's best to look at it from his time relevance, at the time when he was still alive and remaining with others? And thus he and others would always be with the Lord.
 
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Then WE who are alive and remain...

The "We" would include Paul (who wrote the letter) who was expecting to be a part a part of what he was describing. But he no longer remains with us today. So, maybe it's best to look at it from his time relevance, at the time when he was still alive and remaining with others? And thus he and others would always be with the Lord.

“We who is in alive at the time of the Second Coming of Jesus. When Jesus comes there will be no more sin and no more sorrow Revelation 21:4 Just a quick look at the headlines tells us that has not happened.

Late my time.

Take care.
 
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“We who is in alive at the time of the Second Coming of Jesus. When Jesus comes there will be no more sin and no more sorrow Revelation 21:4 Just a quick look at the headlines tells us that has not happened.

Late my time.

Take care.

Got it. So, he was not addressing the people at Thessalonica who were alive at the time he wrote the letter. It would be irrelevant to them because it's for the people who would be alive 2000 years later.

Thank you and sweet visions
 
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Got it. So, he was not addressing the people at Thessalonica who were alive at the time he wrote the letter. It would be irrelevant to them because it's for the people who would be alive 2000 years later.

Thank you and sweet visions
Does the Second Coming of Jesus apply to all people of all time? Of course it does.

Paul did not know when the Second Coming of Jesus would take place- no one knows except the Father Matthew 24:36

That’s why people of all time should watch and wait and be ready for His return. Titus 2:13, Jude 1:21
 
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Does the Second Coming of Jesus apply to all people of all time? Of course it does.

Paul did not know when the Second Coming of Jesus would take place- no one knows except the Father Matthew 24:36

That’s why people of all time should watch and wait and be ready for His return. Titus 2:13, Jude 1:21

It's too bad that Jude, Titus and the Thessalonians all missed it. If they had only known it wasn't for their time.
 
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It's too bad that Jude, Titus and the Thessalonians all missed it. If they had only known it wasn't for their time.
Do you think Jesus is only coming back for some people? Your comments are not really making sense. Just because Jesus did not come back while the scripture was written by the apostles, does not make His coming any less significant for them or for us. Do you not believe the promise of Jesus Second Coming?

Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
 
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Do you think Jesus is only coming back for some people? Your comments are not really making sense. Just because Jesus did not come back while the scripture was written by the apostles, does not make His coming any less significant for them or for us. Do you not believe the promise of Jesus Second Coming?

Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

On the contrary, I actually do believe that Jesus kept His word to the Disciples when He said he would. He told them that some of them won't die until they actually see Him return in their lifetime...

"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” —Matthew 16:27-28

When Jesus sent His disciples to preach the Gospel, He told them that He would be back before they could even get to all the towns of Israel...

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. —Matt 10:23

He actually told His contemporary disciples that He would come back for them, and take them with Him...

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. —John 14:3

Even the High Priest Caiaphas saw Jesus coming on the clouds just as Jesus said he would...

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” —Matt 26:64

That was the event mentioned in the Olivet Discourse that you quoted...

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. —Matt 24:30

Those events happened before the generation they were in could pass. Like Jesus told them...

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. —Matthew 24:34

I do not hold Jesus as a false prophet who was unable to keep His word. He is God, not like men...

God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? —Numbers 23:19

There was no mistake, accident or postponement in anything said during Christ's ministry. What causes the error in timeline is when people read themselves into the passages, ignoring audience relevance.
 
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To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

I think the best possible explanation of the verse culminates in verse 17.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Satan has been trying to thwart God's plan, but has failed at every turn, because God is one step ahead, always.

Imagine how that makes Satan feel. He couldn't kill Jesus. He lost the battle with sin at the cross. He is losing against God's people. He is losing against truth. He will continue to lose.

He knows his time is short, which must be even more glaring to an angel; he is losing the battle of time itself, which he has no control over. It must be infuriating to know that no matter what you do, you will never win.
 
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On the contrary, I actually do believe that Jesus kept His word to the Disciples when He said he would. He told them that some of them won't die until they actually see Him return in their lifetime...

"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” —Matthew 16:27-28

When Jesus sent His disciples to preach the Gospel, He told them that He would be back before they could even get to all the towns of Israel...

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. —Matt 10:23

He actually told His contemporary disciples that He would come back for them, and take them with Him...

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. —John 14:3

Even the High Priest Caiaphas saw Jesus coming on the clouds just as Jesus said he would...

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” —Matt 26:64

That was the event mentioned in the Olivet Discourse that you quoted...

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. —Matt 24:30

Those events happened before the generation they were in could pass. Like Jesus told them...

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. —Matthew 24:34

I do not hold Jesus as a false prophet who was unable to keep His word. He is God, not like men...

God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? —Numbers 23:19

There was no mistake, accident or postponement in anything said during Christ's ministry. What causes the error in timeline is when people read themselves into the passages, ignoring audience relevance.

So is your theory that Jesus already came a second time?

That sure doesn't fit a lot of the scriptures...just an example

Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
 
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On the contrary, I actually do believe that Jesus kept His word to the Disciples when He said he would. He told them that some of them won't die until they actually see Him return in their lifetime...

"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” —Matthew 16:27-28

And then in Matt 17 - one page over - they actually see Christ IN Glory - and the saints with Him ... Elijah who represents all translated saints in glory and Moses who represents all resurrected saints in glory . It is a type of the 1 Thess 4:13-18 appearing and rapture of the saints.

Bible writers agree -- Christ's coming is in the future.

1 Peter 1:
13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, set your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ


1 Cor 15:
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

2 Thess 1:
6 For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us, when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God, and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These people will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified among His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—because our testimony to you was believed.

Matt 24:
3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

2 Thess 2:Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved.
 
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On the contrary, I actually do believe that Jesus kept His word to the Disciples when He said he would. He told them that some of them won't die until they actually see Him return in their lifetime...

"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” —Matthew 16:27-28

When Jesus sent His disciples to preach the Gospel, He told them that He would be back before they could even get to all the towns of Israel...

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. —Matt 10:23

He actually told His contemporary disciples that He would come back for them, and take them with Him...

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. —John 14:3

Even the High Priest Caiaphas saw Jesus coming on the clouds just as Jesus said he would...

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” —Matt 26:64

That was the event mentioned in the Olivet Discourse that you quoted...

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. —Matt 24:30

Those events happened before the generation they were in could pass. Like Jesus told them...

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. —Matthew 24:34

I do not hold Jesus as a false prophet who was unable to keep His word. He is God, not like men...

God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? —Numbers 23:19

There was no mistake, accident or postponement in anything said during Christ's ministry. What causes the error in timeline is when people read themselves into the passages, ignoring audience relevance.

Due to time I am only going to address one of the scriptures, but I will try to address more later…
"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” —Matthew 16:27-28

The same story is in Mark and this gives a better idea what Jesus was talking about…

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
The Transfiguration

2 After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3 His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. 4 And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.

5 Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” 6 (He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.)

7 Then a cloud appeared and covered them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus.

9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10 They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what “rising from the dead” meant.

11 And they asked him, “Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

12 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13 But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him.”

This is what Jesus was talking about, they saw a taste of what is to come. Moses represent those who died and will be resurrected and Elijah represents those who will be alive at the time of the Second Coming of Jesus and those in Christ will meet Him in the air. Revelation 1:7



 
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So is your theory that Jesus already came a second time?

That sure doesn't fit a lot of the scriptures...just an example

Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

It is not theory, but proper exegesis of Scripture. A theory would be to assume that He didn't return at the time He said He would to the people who were expecting Him. You are better off saying that "He returned then, and He will return again" than to dismiss our Lord a liar or mistaken with His prophecies.

Speaking of Exegesis, let's take a look at Revelation 21:4 that you just quoted. But first, definitions are in order...

Exegesis: the process of careful, analytical study of biblical passages undertaken in order to produce useful interpretations of those passages.

Eisegesis: reading into the text any preconceived ideas or notions. It is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases.

Let's take a look at the verse again, but this time with more context...

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.—Revelation 21:1-6

—We shall notice that it talks about the bride, the Church, a current reality. We are the bride of Christ.

—all things are already made new to the Born-Again, someone who is in Christ...therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. —2 Corinthians 5:17

—verse 6 says that "it is done", and not something we are still waiting for

—but what about "death"? Well first, we must recognize that Revelation 21:4 is a direct quote from Isaiah 65...

Isaiah 65:17-20 ESV —
"“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness. I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress. No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days,...

Now here's the clincher...

for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed."


Did you get that? Did it just say that there is still death? So, maybe we are just too quick to ignore the symbolic meanings being presented in Revelation. And so, the burden is not on me or scripture, but on the one who reads their presuppositions, agendas or biases into the text.
 
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To the best of everyone's knowledge, what is the meaning of "He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

It means that when Christ won His victory at the cross and ascended up into heaven - Satan's scheme had been defeated - Christ was victor - Satan's doom was certain and he had but a short time (as compared to how long he had lived until that time)
 
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It is not theory, but proper exegesis of Scripture. A theory would be to assume that He didn't return at the time He said He would to the people who were expecting Him. You are better off saying that "He returned then, and He will return again" than to dismiss our Lord a liar or mistaken with His prophecies.

Speaking of Exegesis, let's take a look at Revelation 21:4 that you just quoted. But first, definitions are in order...

Exegesis: the process of careful, analytical study of biblical passages undertaken in order to produce useful interpretations of those passages.

Eisegesis: reading into the text any preconceived ideas or notions. It is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases.

Let's take a look at the verse again, but this time with more context...

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.—Revelation 21:1-6

—We shall notice that it talks about the bride, the Church, a current reality. We are the bride of Christ.

—all things are already made new to the Born-Again, someone who is in Christ...therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. —2 Corinthians 5:17

—verse 6 says that "it is done", and not something we are still waiting for

—but what about "death"? Well first, we must recognize that Revelation 21:4 is a direct quote from Isaiah 65...

Isaiah 65:17-20 ESV —
"“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness. I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress. No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days,...

Now here's the clincher...

for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed."


Did you get that? Did it just say that there is still death? So, maybe we are just too quick to ignore the symbolic meanings being presented in Revelation. And so, the burden is not on me or scripture, but on the one who reads their presuppositions, agendas or biases into the text.

I’m not asking you to quote scripture, I am asking your opinion about the Second Coming of Jesus if you think its all past tense.

So far, you’re just quoting scripture without context and I am not asking you to school me, just asking clarification with one question. Please make your argument and support it with scriptures and we can go from there.
 
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I’m not asking you to quote scripture, I am asking your opinion about the Second Coming of Jesus if you think its all past tense.

So far, your just quoting scripture without context and I am not asking you to school me, so please stop. Please make your argument and support it with scriptures and we can go from there.

If the proper reading of scripture does not interest you, then nothing that I say would make any sense. With that, may the blessings of our Lord go with you.
 
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If the proper reading of scripture does not interest you, then nothing that I say would make any sense. With that, may the blessings of our Lord go with you.
Please do not make assumptions that I do not look for biblical Truth. I asked something very simple or should be ,and that is for you to provide context to the scriptures you posted and answer one simple question. If you don’t want to answer it thats fine, but make it about that instead assuming things about someone who you do not know. Only God is our righteous judge for all mankind. :)
 
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Please do not make assumptions that I do not look for biblical Truth. I asked something very simple or should be ,and that is for you to provide context to the scriptures you posted and answer one simple question. If you don’t want to answer it thats fine, but make it about that instead assuming things about someone who you do not know. Only God is our righteous judge for all mankind. :)

My assumption was that you are for the biblical truth. That's why I gave the presentation. I did not think that you would be opposed to biblical evidence as my reasoning.
 
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My assumption was that you are for the biblical truth. That's why I gave the presentation. I did not think that you would be opposed to biblical evidence as my reasoning.
I asked you one simple question which would clarify the context of the scripture you presented.
 
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