Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of charismatic gifts in real life?

TruthSeek3r · Aug 6, 2022

By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?

If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?

How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

HTacianas · Aug 6, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?

If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?

How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

I firmly believe that I have never witnessed any such thing. And I have in the past attended services with those who claim to have done it. Notice this:

1Co 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

It says "Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts". If a person truly desires spiritual gifts what would they be willing to do to get them? I think those gifts in modern times might exist in some monastery somewhere where monks spend years desiring spiritual gifts until they finally obtain them.

sandman · Aug 6, 2022

As for tongues …everyday in my personal life…

The manifestation of prophecy and tongues with interpretation at least twice a week in meetings.

The others …the manifestation of gifts of healing, discernment of spirits, word of knowledge, and wisdom, faith, miracles, and healing. I have operated them all at one time or another, some more frequently than others…whenever the need arises.

I don’t think there is ever a question as to the validity. God always gets the Glory.

Tongues cannot be counterfeited …it can be faked, but it’s obvious. ..Healings can be counterfeited by the adversary …but two things are obvious when it from the devil …first, it will never last and second, the person doing it will be getting the glory. And psychic healings…are never from the true God.

Casting out of devil spirits can be done by other people who have a more powerful devil spirts …again watch for who gets the glory.

Things that are not from the true God ….anytime you see someone being slain in the spirit, knocked over, rolling around on the ground, etc…. it’s not from the true God.

God does not control people and does not knock people down….if He did…. you wouldn’t be getting up anytime soon

Cockcrow · Aug 7, 2022

no, there are no apostles today, only false apostles. and if Charismatic/Pentecostal speaking in tongues is a real attribute of the Holy Ghost, why are they the only denomination that receives these gifts? You don't see people speaking gibberish, babbling incoherently, foaming at the mouth at church in any other denomination, are pentecostal/charismatics the only ones with the Holy Ghost? Also the absurdity of them claiming you must speak in tongues as proof of the Holy Ghost or you're not saved is laughable.

Bible tongues are referring to real languages previously unknown to the speaker in order to minister to people, and there must be an interpreter, and everything must be done decently not random praise breaks or uncontrollable outbursts. and certainely not random outbursts of gibberish that nobody can understand. And then when you say this the Pentecostals will accuse you of Blaspheming the Holy Ghost, or touch not God’s anointed.

And with prophecy, if someone shares a so called prophecy or divine revelation and it doesn't come true, then they are a false prophet, a blasphemer, a liar, and are not hearing from God. you better be extremely careful when you claim that you received some kind of special revelation from God or "The Lord told me" and then it doesn't happen.

NBB · Aug 7, 2022

The church i go to, the Holy spirit presence is strong, sometimes there people speaking in tongues i can't imagine someone in the presence of God faking it, that would be out of place, also sometimes evil spirits manifest in people, 'where the presence of the spirit is there is freedom'. Just the other week a girl just fell to the floor without anyone touching her, she was acting like she wanted to take something off her like someone was abusing her physically, then the spirit went away off her.

trophy33 · Aug 7, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?

If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?

How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

You would need to define these things.

For example I heard people speaking in so called "tongues". I have witnessed some people saying they were healed. Is this what you mean by "genuine"?

If you are asking if I witnessed some verifiable supernatural manifestation that cannot be explained naturally, then no, nothing I remember.

TruthSeek3r · Aug 7, 2022

myst33 said:
For example I heard people speaking in so called "tongues". I have witnessed some people saying they were healed. Is this what you mean by "genuine"?

But do you personally believe that they were genuine? Yes? No? Don't know? You can simply say that you don't know or are not sure and that's okay.

sandman · Aug 7, 2022

Cockcrow said:
no, there are no apostles today, only false apostles. and if Charismatic/Pentecostal speaking in tongues is a real attribute of the Holy Ghost, why are they the only denomination that receives these gifts? You don't see people speaking gibberish, babbling incoherently, foaming at the mouth at church in any other denomination, are pentecostal/charismatics the only ones with the Holy Ghost? Also the absurdity of them claiming you must speak in tongues as proof of the Holy Ghost or you're not saved is laughable.

Bible tongues are referring to real languages previously unknown to the speaker in order to minister to people, and there must be an interpreter, and everything must be done decently not random praise breaks or uncontrollable outbursts. and certainely not random outbursts of gibberish that nobody can understand. And then when you say this the Pentecostals will accuse you of Blaspheming the Holy Ghost, or touch not God’s anointed.

And with prophecy, if someone shares a so called prophecy or divine revelation and it doesn't come true, then they are a false prophet, a blasphemer, a liar, and are not hearing from God. you better be extremely careful when you claim that you received some kind of special revelation from God or "The Lord told me" and then it doesn't happen.

Some of the things you state are correct …..but some are not…

Anything that is not done decently an in order is certainly off…. and maybe worse.

I don’t know where your understanding comes from or how you have discerned the things you have…..but experiences good or bad are not a guarantee for truth….the only guarantee for truth, is truth, which as we know…. is the Word of God….but people will distort truth, and use the distortion to justify their action.

Your idea of tongues is way off… as is interpretation … Not saying it’s your fault …it seems to be the distortion you have been exposed to.

The manifestation of prophecy is for edification, exhortation, and comfort …as is the interpretation of tongues →which is given by the person speaking in tongues… not a separate interpreter. Nothing in a prophecy or interpretation will contradict the written Word…. and 99% of the time it is forth-telling not fore-telling. And if it is foretelling it is complementing what the Word of God states …. (The Gift ministry of a prophet (Eph 4:11) is a bit different)

As far as being born again …………God is the one who make the statement that by speaking in the spirit is your proof of being born again …You certainly may be born again (and many are) who do not speak in tongues.

It sounds like you have had some unkind experiences with Pentecostal or whatever ….I am not nor have I ever been associated with those, so I don’t know how they act and I am sure they are not all like what you have experienced. Although, I have run into some of what it appears you have experienced.

Don’t judge the Word of God by what people say or do …they could be right or they could be in left field…the only way to separate truth from error… is the Word.

frank sears · Aug 7, 2022

I joined a Pentecostal type church and I witnessed signs and worders, but only in the imagination of the people, not in real life. I found real Christians in the Pentecostal movement, but always with one strike against them, because the things that are unique to Pentecostalism are false. There was no great outpouring of the Holy Spirit in California around 1906, just people yielding themselves to strange spirits, and it continues to this day, stay away from it.

sandman · Aug 7, 2022

frank sears said:
I joined a Pentecostal type church and I witnessed signs and worders, but only in the imagination of the people, not in real life. I found real Christians in the Pentecostal movement, but always with one strike against them, because the things that are unique to Pentecostalism are false. There was no great outpouring of the Holy Spirit in California around 1906, just people yielding themselves to strange spirits, and it continues to this day, stay away from it.

I have never heard anything about 1906 …and I am not trying to be dismissive…But whatever took place then or any other times, are peoples experiences, which I never rely on …Some could be genuine, I don’t know…But if we are to adapt anything …it needs to come from the 1st century. The great outpouring of the holy spirit (the gift) took place on Pentecost ….and has been available ever since
The written Word of God should be our only source of faith and practice. That is the standard for truth that we measure all other against.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private (one’s own) interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

NBB · Aug 7, 2022

frank sears said:
I joined a Pentecostal type church and I witnessed signs and worders, but only in the imagination of the people, not in real life. I found real Christians in the Pentecostal movement, but always with one strike against them, because the things that are unique to Pentecostalism are false. There was no great outpouring of the Holy Spirit in California around 1906, just people yielding themselves to strange spirits, and it continues to this day, stay away from it.

Be careful, i'm not one to judge anything of this, but you may be making big mistake, just the pentecostal church i go to the presence of God is strong there is lives tranformed and deliverance from the enemy.
You may be speaking against God, just don't judge all pentecostal because so called other 'pentecostals' gives them a bad name. I will defend to death the belief of pentecostals about being filled because i know about this, and christians are missing half of being a christian by not seeking being filled with the HS.

Blade · Aug 7, 2022

Praise God yes have witnessed allot in this short vapor of a life lol. One thing to know is where there is doubt.. you will not see them most the time. I say most because of His mercy and grace He always goes far beyond what was ask and think. But doubt will always stop the Holy Spirit. Nothing has changed since Christ caught up. Our God still calls and equips them. One that always stands out is me and a friend in the back of Church and the woman up front crying really loud and all excited like. I asked "who is she?" He said "see all these people here? About 1/2 came with her because she was blind". Yeah was wow it was IN JESUS NAME and she got new eyes. Something the enemy can never fake since he can't heal. A kingdom divided against it self will always fall. So these gifts if some were fake would never ever point to Christ something again the enemy will not ever do.

Its sad to read how some believe its only been limited to one group. Oh that is so far from the truth. There are countless Baptist, Lutheran even Catholic you name it stories of how great the sweet sweet holy Spirit has moved through out the ages in them and still moving. For many its as Christ said.. you don't understand natural things how will you understand spiritual things. No

demon fallen angel or if it sounds better strange spirit will ever point to Jesus Christ as lord came in the flesh. Something they can not will not do.

So we know what God gives He does not take back. So you and I can use it for His glory or ours or the enemy. We should be seeking the Father/Christ not some man who is still human and will at times make mistakes. 5000 saw a baby no eyes 26 things wrong with it new eyes walk to mom said mom for the 1st time. There is so much more to this story. That's something that I always wonder about. Well back to that woman new eyes.. .it never made the news. its not as if GOD was hiding it yet ALL this happens in plan sight yet... haha its always FAITH with our Father.

So ask Him if these things are real and still happen today. Finding some man/woman to say no or yes hello easy. Why would we take there word for it when we have a GOD the great I AM in us. Why not do like GOD said? We love Him right? So if He through Christ said anyone that asks the Father for the holy Spirit He will give it to them. Yeah its written. Why not just do as He asked? Oh but the catch is you must believe that if you ask He will do as He said. You believe John 3:16-17. Ask Him if this stuff is real of Him if He is still moving with the gifts today. The catch is if you ask already doubting He will say nothing. He will not go against your will. So ask with a open heart. He will always answer. Same if you don't know Jesus Christ is real.. just ask

If its written I believe.. I simple believe have since I was 9 (saved) yet 12+ when I started to believe. Well the grandmother in the bible study when I asked her why do some verse keep like popping out and I can't get past them. She said its GOD talking to me. So I just believe what He said not what I see hear of feel.

atpollard · Aug 7, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?

If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?

How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

Q. Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?
A. Yes.

Q. If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?
A. A dead man got up and walked.

Q. How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?
A. Reading the Bible for Biblical definitions of true gifts.

TruthSeek3r · Aug 7, 2022

atpollard said:
Q. If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?
A. A dead man got up and walked.

Wow, did you actually witness this? Did you have the chance to talk to that man after the fact?

NBB · Aug 7, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
Wow, did you actually witness this? Did you have the chance to talk to that man after the fact?

hey truthseeker, God created everything, he really exists, and can interact with us, so how hard is for him to do a miracle?. i would say that when people say something happened to them, most of the time is true, unless they want to cheat or are deceived, but there are so many testimonies.

Der Alte · Aug 7, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.
Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?
If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?
How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

In the early 80s I was associate pastor of a Korean language church in Kentucky One Sunday morning a 12 year old young lady was sitting across the aisle and one row back from me. At some point she grabbed her arm and said "My arm feels funny."
The church youth group had a roller skating party the night before. They were playing a relay game, which involved skaters skating from one end of the rink to the other picking up an object, on the floor, and skating back. The young lady slipped, fell and broke her arm. Her parents were called and took her to the ER. Her arm was X-rayed which showed a fracture and her arm was placed in a sling.. On Monday her parents took her back to the Dr. who x-rayed the arm again. The parents said the Dr. held up the x-rays side by side, looked at them and was baffled, the earlier x-ray showed a fracture the second x-ray no fracture and there was no bruising.
Same church another incident that I was present for, I will post it later.

Spingle · Oct 11, 2022

sandman said:
Some of the things you state are correct …..but some are not…

Anything that is not done decently an in order is certainly off…. and maybe worse.

I don’t know where your understanding comes from or how you have discerned the things you have…..but experiences good or bad are not a guarantee for truth….the only guarantee for truth, is truth, which as we know…. is the Word of God….but people will distort truth, and use the distortion to justify their action.

Your idea of tongues is way off… as is interpretation … Not saying it’s your fault …it seems to be the distortion you have been exposed to.

The manifestation of prophecy is for edification, exhortation, and comfort …as is the interpretation of tongues →which is given by the person speaking in tongues… not a separate interpreter. Nothing in a prophecy or interpretation will contradict the written Word…. and 99% of the time it is forth-telling not fore-telling. And if it is foretelling it is complementing what the Word of God states …. (The Gift ministry of a prophet (Eph 4:11) is a bit different)

As far as being born again …………God is the one who make the statement that by speaking in the spirit is your proof of being born again …You certainly may be born again (and many are) who do not speak in tongues.

It sounds like you have had some unkind experiences with Pentecostal or whatever ….I am not nor have I ever been associated with those, so I don’t know how they act and I am sure they are not all like what you have experienced. Although, I have run into some of what it appears you have experienced.

Don’t judge the Word of God by what people say or do …they could be right or they could be in left field…the only way to separate truth from error… is the Word.

What is the difference between foretelling and forthtelling?

John Owen · Oct 14, 2022

TruthSeek3r said:
By "charismatic gifts" I mean apostleship, prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge and the ability to heal and perform miracles.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of one or more of these gifts in real life?

If yes, then how do you know they were genuine and not counterfeits?

How do you tell the difference between a genuine charismatic gift and a fake one?

I have seen the gift of Prophecy practiced.

Der Alte · Oct 14, 2022

Spingle said:
What is the difference between foretelling and forthtelling?

"Foretelling" refers to speaking about future things.
"Forthtelling" preaching the Gospel.
A prophet could do both.

ETA: Your avatar appears weirdly 3D.

Francis Drake · Oct 14, 2022

For the last 60 years or so, I've witnessed and participated in plenty of prophecy, tongues and interpretations, words of knowledge, dreams visions etc.

Have you witnessed genuine manifestations of charismatic gifts in real life?

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