The Hope of the Church which is His Body

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'Behold, I shew you a mystery;
.. We shall not all sleep,
.... but we shall all be changed,
...... In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
........ at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
.. and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
.... and we shall be changed.
...... For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
........ and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
.. and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
.... then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
...... Death is swallowed up in victory.
........ O death, where is thy sting?
.......... O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin;
.. and the strength of sin is the law.
.... But thanks be to God,
...... which giveth us the victory
........ through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren,
.. be ye steadfast,
.... unmoveable,
...... always abounding in the work of the Lord,
........ forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain
.......... in the Lord.'

(1Cor 15:51-58)

Hello there,

Looking at this passage of Scripture, Paul is speaking as one who is alive and waiting for the return of His Lord, as all believers were at that time. He says that they shall not all 'sleep' (or have died), some will be still alive and remaining: but whether they 'slept' (in death) or 'remain alive' at His coming, they shall all be changed. The dead shall be raised (incorruptible), and those alive and remaining will put on immortality (they will not have to experience death). It is then that Death is swallowed up by victory!! Praise God!

* When Israel, as a nation, rejected the preaching of John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and that of the Twelve Apostles and the others, divinely appointed, who preached during the forty years of opportunity narrated in the book of Acts. The hope expressed above in 1 Corinthians 15 is in abeyance, along with the new covenant and it's blessings, and not until the nation of Israel comes to repentance at the end of this present age, will Israel's prophetic time clock begin to tick again, and the events prophesied concerning their future role in God's purposes take place.

* The Hope presented at the end of the Acts Period, by means of the preaching of the Apostle Paul, following Divine revelation, does not have the resurrection hope of 1 Corinthians 15 as it's expectation, but that of Colossians 3:1-4:-

' If ye then be risen with Christ,
seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'

(Col 3:1-4)

* We are so identified with Christ, in His death, burial, resurrection and ascension, that we are reckoned by God to be seated with Him at God's right hand now, awaiting His appearing; when we also shall appear with Him in glory. This is quite a different hope in view to that of 1 Corinthians 15, isn't it? This is the hope held by those who are members of the Body of Christ. A different calling to that held by those awaiting his return in 1 Corinthians 15, who will yet be raised in the manner so described there.

* The hope of the church which is the Body of Christ as described in Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians particularly, and also in 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, which were all written by Paul following the revelation of God regarding the believing community remaining after the departure of Israel into the darkness of unbelief, written while imprisoned in Rome, is distinctly different from that revealed during the earlier ministry of Paul, contained in the epistles written during that period, namely 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1& 2 Thessalonians, Romans and Hebrews. Although the Epistle to the Romans is foundational for all. Especially the central portion of 5:12-8:39.

* I lay this before you, not expecting agreement from the majority, but in the hope that it will cause some to at least try the things that differ, and consider what they imply.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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This is quite a different hope in view to that of 1 Corinthians 15, isn't it?
I see both in his teaching here.
1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
Hope both in this life, and a future hope.
 
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I see both in his teaching here.
1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
Hope both in this life, and a future hope.
Hello @Minister Monardo,

Thank you for responding.

Yes, this passage challenged those who said that there was no resurrection of the dead. If that were the case then Christ Himself had not risen from the dead, and their faith was vain. But praise God! The Lord Jesus Christ did rise from the dead, and opened the way for all who have placed their trust in Him, to have access to life eternal, and receive the promise of resurrection life they received when they first believed.

* What a glorious hope we have don't we? Assured to us by God the Father Who cannot lie.

'If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death,
by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.'

(1Co 15:19-23)

* His appearing in glory (of Colossians 3:1-4) must take place prior to His coming, yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Behold, I shew you a mystery;
.. We shall not all sleep,
.... but we shall all be changed,
...... In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
........ at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
.. and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
.... and we shall be changed.
...... For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
........ and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
.. and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
.... then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
...... Death is swallowed up in victory.
........ O death, where is thy sting?
.......... O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin;
.. and the strength of sin is the law.
.... But thanks be to God,
...... which giveth us the victory
........ through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren,
.. be ye steadfast,
.... unmoveable,
...... always abounding in the work of the Lord,
........ forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain
.......... in the Lord.'

(1Cor 15:51-58)

Hello there,

Looking at this passage of Scripture, Paul is speaking as one who is alive and waiting for the return of His Lord, as all believers were at that time. He says that they shall not all 'sleep' (or have died), some will be still alive and remaining: but whether they 'slept' (in death) or 'remain alive' at His coming, they shall all be changed. The dead shall be raised (incorruptible), and those alive and remaining will put on immortality (they will not have to experience death). It is then that Death is swallowed up by victory!! Praise God!

* When Israel, as a nation, rejected the preaching of John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and that of the Twelve Apostles and the others, divinely appointed, who preached during the forty years of opportunity narrated in the book of Acts. The hope expressed above in 1 Corinthians 15 is in abeyance, along with the new covenant and it's blessings, and not until the nation of Israel comes to repentance at the end of this present age, will Israel's prophetic time clock begin to tick again, and the events prophesied concerning their future role in God's purposes take place.

* The Hope presented at the end of the Acts Period, by means of the preaching of the Apostle Paul, following Divine revelation, does not have the resurrection hope of 1 Corinthians 15 as it's expectation, but that of Colossians 3:1-4:-

' If ye then be risen with Christ,
seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'

(Col 3:1-4)

* We are so identified with Christ, in His death, burial, resurrection and ascension, that we are reckoned by God to be seated with Him at God's right hand now, awaiting His appearing; when we also shall appear with Him in glory. This is quite a different hope in view to that of 1 Corinthians 15, isn't it? This is the hope held by those who are members of the Body of Christ. A different calling to that held by those awaiting his return in 1 Corinthians 15, who will yet be raised in the manner so described there.

* The hope of the church which is the Body of Christ as described in Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians particularly, and also in 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, which were all written by Paul following the revelation of God regarding the believing community remaining after the departure of Israel into the darkness of unbelief, written while imprisoned in Rome, is distinctly different from that revealed during the earlier ministry of Paul, contained in the epistles written during that period, namely 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1& 2 Thessalonians, Romans and Hebrews. Although the Epistle to the Romans is foundational for all. Especially the central portion of 5:12-8:39.

* I lay this before you, not expecting agreement from the majority, but in the hope that it will cause some to at least try the things that differ, and consider what they imply.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."

The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.


The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.




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PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS

with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.

F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26

http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418



Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine

Pastor Tim Warner

http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf


Pretribulationist Revisionism

(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)

Pastor Tim Warner

http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf

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