Bible Ignorance About God's Israel

ralliann · Jul 7, 2022

Davy said:
OK, time to pull out the stops about what God's Word teaches about His 'ISRAEL', and squelch the false Jew's falsehoods about today's Israel.

1. Per 1 Kings 11, because Solomon rebelled in allowing pagan idolatry into the original kingdom of Israel, God split old Israel into TWO separate nations, and thus two separate kingdoms.

2. Solomon's son Rehoboam, of the house of David, remained as king of Judah, over the "kingdom of Judah" in the southern lands of Jerusalem-Judea. He had only TWO tribes with him initially, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Eventually the Levites all left the north and sided with Rehoboam, along with a SMALL REMNANT out of the ten tribes (2 Chronicles 11:11-17). These made up the JEWS, that title originating from the sole tribe of Judah.

3. God gave Jeroboam, of the tribe of Ephraim, TEN TRIBES to rule over in the northern lands, called the "kingdom of Israel". THESE WERE NOT CALLED JEWS. And this "kingdom of Israel" as written, was made up of ONLY the ten northern tribes of Israel, meaning the MAJORITY of the children of Israel. Thus THESE REPRESENTED THE TRUE 'ISRAEL' at that time.

4. Both kingdoms then began to war against each other (1 Kings 14:30).

5. Bible prophecy after that split when saying, "Israel", "house of Israel", "kingdom of Israel", Samaria (its capital city), "Ephraim", "Joseph", etc., is ONLY SPEAKING OF THE NORTHERN TEN TRIBES OF ISRAEL, and not the Jews. ONLY when Scripture after the split says something like "the whole house of Israel" does it mean ALL 12 tribes. Other than that, after the split, ISRAEL is ONLY about the northern ten tribes. So even when Lord Jesus said He was not sent but unto the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", He was specifically pointing to the TEN TRIBES that were scattered, and they as a majority would accept The Gospel. That fulfillment is actually taught in opposition by today's Jews, even by deceived believing Jews!

6. As per 1 Kings 11:32, God promised He would always leave ONE TRIBE at Jerusalem for David's and Jerusalem's sake. Those are represented by the HOUSE OF JUDAH only, the Jews, even for TODAY.

7. Jeroboam, was of the tribe of Ephraim. God made him king over Israel at that split. But Israel then was represented by ONLY the ten northern tribes. Because of king Jeroboam's calf idol worship he setup in the north, God eventually got tired of it, and sent the kings of Assyria upon the northern kingdom to take it away. Only the southern "kingdom of Judah" (3 tribes) would be left in the southern lands.

8. Per 2 Kings 17, the kings of Assyria took all the seed of the northern ten tribes, the "kingdom of Israel", or "house of Israel", and removed them all to the lands of Assyrian and the Medes. These would NEVER return to the holy land as a people. They became LOST, hence the term 'ten lost tribes of Israel'.

9. Per God's prophet Hosea, God foretold what He would do to the ten northern tribe "house of Israel", how He would scatter them and they would not find their way back. They would lose knowledge of His sabbaths and feast days, and new moons, and thus their identity as Israel. God would given them over to the full strength of their Baal worship they desired, because they forgot Him.

He said He would eventually lead them into the 'wilderness', to new lands. And there, He would allure her, and speak comfortably to her, and give her vineyards from thence. And in that day, they would no more call Him "Baali", but "Ishi" (Husband). And there He would betroth them unto Him in righteousness, in faithfulness, and in judgement forever. All that He said SPECIFICALLY to the TEN TRIBE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, and NOT to the Jews of the "house of Judah". The Jews have their own prophecies for the future that He gave. Hosea was specifically involving the ten tribes AND THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

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Davy · Jul 7, 2022

(Part II: Continued from Post #79)

When God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim ten tribes to reign over as "king of Israel", that broke His original requirement that Israel's king line would come ONLY from the tribe of Judah, of the house of David (1 Chronicles 5; Psalms 78:67-68). So God broke that requirement, or did He? Thus the Jews don't like to talk about this, because God ended David's throne in JERUSALEM in the days of God's prophet Jeremiah, and that throne has NEVER been setup there in Jerusalem since then. Thus that subject is kind of a sore spot among many of the Jews, even for today, and even on forums like this one. Nevertheless, God's ways are not man's ways.

In reality, God did NOT break His promise to David that there would always... be one of David's seed to sit upon his throne of Israel. This is also affirmed by Jacob all the way back in Genesis 49:10 with the prophecy that Judah would keep the sceptre (royal sceptre rule), and care of God's law, all the way up to Shiloh's (Jesus) future return.

When Jeremiah the prophet was taken by bandits to Egypt when Nebuchadnezzar had destroyed Jerusalem, Jeremiah had the "king's daughters" with him. Discovered Biblical archaeology puts him in Egypt at Tahpanhes ... (Pharaoh's House in Tahpanhes (Jer. 43:9). - Appendix to the Companion Bible). Then Jeremiah and those "king's daughters" drop out of Bible history.

The "king's daughters" were the only offspring left of Zedekiah, king of Judah, in those days of Jeremiah. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, came upon Jerusalem and destroyed it, killing all of Zedekiah's son heirs, and poked king Zedekiah's eyes out, and took him in chains captive to Babylon where he died. Thus ended David's throne in Jerusalem, and it has never been setup there again since that time. But what about the Genesis 49:10 prophecy that Jacob gave to his son Judah regarding the "last days"?

How then, could God have ended His promise to David, that there would always... be one of David's seed to sit upon that throne of Israel? And the Genesis 49:10 prophecy is for the LAST DAYS like Jacob said in Genesis 49:1. And it means David's throne is SUPPOSED TO STILL BE SETUP TODAY ON EARTH, even to the day of Christ's future return!!! So what gives?

God showed us what He was up to, in His Word. This is why we are study ALL of His Word, and not just parts of it.

That Genesis 49:10 prophecy that Jacob gave to Judah for the "last days" actually aligns with God having made Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM king over the northern ten tribes. How's that?

In Genesis 35, when God gave Jacob the new name Israel, and was transferring His Birthright blessing to Jacob, He said Jacob's seed was to become "a nation, and a company of nations". So how's that 'COMPANY OF NATIONS' work, since the nation of Israel was ONLY EVER but ONE nation? It's actually very simple, IF one stays in God's Word as written.

In Genesis 48, Jacob on his death bed, blessed Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh born to him while in Egypt. Jacob said to let his name (Israel) be named upon the two lads. And Jacob said that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations", and that his brother Manasseh would also become "great". That "multitude of nations" prophecy was but a transfer of the same... blessing God had told Jacob, that his seed would become a 'company of nations'.

Just as Joseph was separated from his brethren, and exalted in Egypt, likewise Ephraim and the ten tribes would be separated from the Jews, and would become... a "multitude of nations". In the Book of II Esdras 13:40-47 (Apocrypha), the ten tribes are mentioned having been taken captive to Assyria and from there migrated to a new land.

This new land is where The Gospel mainly went to after Jesus was rejected in Jerusalem by the unbelieving Jews. Where did the Apostles go first after Christ's death and resurrection? Apostle Paul went to the Gentiles in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul was even allowed to preach The Gospel two years while captive in his own home by the Romans in western Europe. Christian traditions in Britain go back to the 1st century A.D. Many western nations that had their own form of Baal idol worship began to put those idols away, and accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ and became the western Christian nations, the "multitude of nations" of Ephraim. This is why 1 Chronicles 5 reveals that God's Birthright, which includes the Promise by Faith that Abraham believed, would wind upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. And thus Jacob's new name Israel would be named upon the two lads, as written.

Thus there is an Israel in the Christian West under Christ Jesus, joined with believing Gentiles, and there is the remnant of Israel of the "house of Judah" represented by the orthodox Jews and the nation of Israel today in the middle east. Then there is the "commonwealth of Israel" which Apostle Paul talked about with the believing Gentiles in the nations, even outside the Christian West.

Davy · Jul 7, 2022

(Continued from Post #82)

So how... does the Genesis 49:10 Scripture apply to the house of David and Judah and the royal sceptre for the last days, like Jacob said? That verse reveals that there is to be one of the tribe of Judah sitting upon a throne (sceptre) all the way to the time of Shiloh's (Jesus) future coming, which is when the gathering of the people will be. Yet today, there is no king of the tribe of Judah, nor house of David, sitting upon a throne in Jerusalem. That throne there was ended in the time of Jeremiah the prophet.

Jeremiah was kinsman redeemer of the daughters of Zedekiah, king of Judah. Zedekiah's daughters were with Jeremiah when he was seized by bandits and taken into Egypt. They were the only survivors of the Zedekiah line of the house of David.

Jeremiah was commissioned by God to accomplish the following...

Jer 1:9-10
9 Then the LORD put forth His hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, "Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth.
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
KJV

Most of us pretty much already know about that "to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down" part of Jeremiah's commission from God. It involved God's warnings through Jeremiah to the people about the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, being sent to destroy Jerusalem-Judea and take the house of Judah captive to Babylon for 70 years. God said to go, and they would be taken care of, but refuse and it would be very bad upon them.

But what about that "to build, and to plant" part of Jeremiah's commission? Where and when did God through Jeremiah accomplish that? One cannot say it happened in those days of Nebuchadnezzar and the destruction of Jerusalem by him. That certainly ain't... about building and planting! Where then? And when? Since God gave Jeremiah that commission also, do you really think Jeremiah failed in that? I can guarantee you he did not fail.

That building and planting happened elsewhere, along with the setting up of the "king's daughters". In Egypt, in the 1880's, the Jeremiah 43:6-10 event with placing stones at Pharaoh's house was discovered by the explorer W.M.Flinders Petrie, which proved that Jeremiah with the king's daughters had been there (see Pharaoh's House in Tahpanhes (Jer. 43:9). - Appendix to the Companion Bible).

So did Jeremiah there fulfill the "to build, and to plant" part of Jeremiah 1:10 he was given by God to do? No, for he certainly did not build and plant in Egypt. Yet the archaeological evidence found by Petrie proved Jeremiah and at least one of king Zedekiah's daughters had been there at Pharaoh's palace or house. In ancient writings about Scota, named as Pharaoh's daughter, she has a historical connection with ancient Hibernia (Ireland) and Scotland. Her very name Scota is where the name for Scot-land is derived, and even the nation in the Americas called Nova Scotia (i.e., New Scota).

Now one can go round n' round with that history about Scota involving ancient Ireland and Scotland, thinking it is all nonsense, but one thing is true. Jeremiah's commission "to build, and to plant" had... to have happened somewhere. Nor can we say it was fulfilled at sometime later than Jeremiah's day, nor in Jerusalem either, since it is nowhere written that Jeremiah ever brought the "king's daughters" back there to re-establish David's throne in Jerusalem again.

So where does God's Word reveal Jeremiah finished his God-given commission "to build, and to plant"?

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Davy · Jul 7, 2022

(Continued from Post #83)

God revealed just where Jeremiah's commission "to build, and to plant" would be, one simply need to pay attention in Scripture...

Jer 31:27-33
27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.

29 In those days they shall say no more, 'The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.'
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.
KJV

Did you ever read the Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16 Scripture in The New Testament? It is a DIRECT QUOTE of the above Jeremiah verses in red.

And just what is that NEW COVENANT that God said He would watch over the house of Israel and house of Judah with, "to build, and to plant"??? It's about The GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. Where... was that GOSPEL sown after the Passion of Christ? In the western nations, Britain being the first nation as a whole to accept The Gospel!

Even in Ezekiel 17, God gives a riddle to the "house of Israel" (ten tribes scattered mainly to Asia Minor and Europe). It's of how He ended the Judah kingdom under Zedekiah, king of Judah, and would setup the kingdom through another in another... land.

Ezek 17:22-24
22 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:

The "high cedar" represented king Zedekiah whose kingdom at Jerusalem God ended in the days of Jeremiah. God says there He would crop off from that high cedar "a tender one", and instead "plant it upon an high mountain and eminent", meaning to build and to plant, but in another land, a high mountain and it would become eminent (elevated, most likely in status, not necessarily in literal height). The main idea is, the throne and kingdom being re-located.

23 In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.
KJV

Thusly, Jeremiah's commission "to build, and to plant" is pointed to in God's Word in more than one place. And this is just one of them. And it involves a place where THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST would be well established.

Norbert L · Jul 8, 2022

Davy said:
OK, time to pull out the stops about what God's Word teaches about His 'ISRAEL', and squelch the false Jew's falsehoods about today's Israel.

1. Per 1 Kings 11, because Solomon rebelled in allowing pagan idolatry into the original kingdom of Israel, God split old Israel into TWO separate nations, and thus two separate kingdoms.

2. Solomon's son Rehoboam, of the house of David, remained as king of Judah, over the "kingdom of Judah" in the southern lands of Jerusalem-Judea. He had only TWO tribes with him initially, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Eventually the Levites all left the north and sided with Rehoboam, along with a SMALL REMNANT out of the ten tribes (2 Chronicles 11:11-17). These made up the JEWS, that title originating from the sole tribe of Judah.

If your inablity to plainly state that either "Solomon was lying" or "Solomon spoke the truth" wasn't enough, now you've gone and made yourself look contradictory with your first two points.

Per 1 Kings 11:38 "If you [Jeroboam] listen to all that I command you, walk in My ways, and do what is right in My sight in order to keep My statutes and commandments as My servant David did, then I will be with you. I will build you a lasting dynasty just as I built for David, and I will give Israel to you."

Jeroboam didn't listen.

2 Chronicles 11:15 "..And Jeroboam appointed his own priests for the high places and for the goat demons and calf idols he had made."

Jeroboam's disobedience led to this: 2 Chronicles 11:16 "Those from every tribe of Israel who had set their hearts to seek the LORD their God followed the Levites to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the LORD, the God of their fathers."

All the tribes returned.

Davy · Jul 8, 2022

Norbert L said:
If your inablity to plainly state that either "Solomon was lying" or "Solomon spoke the truth" wasn't enough, now you've gone and made yourself look contradictory with your first two points.

Solomon was NOT speaking in 1 Kings 11. That is GOD speaking in 1 Kings 11 through His servant ABOUT Solomon, and his son Rehoboam.

Per 1 Kings 11:38 "If you [Jeroboam] listen to all that I command you, walk in My ways, and do what is right in My sight in order to keep My statutes and commandments as My servant David did, then I will be with you. I will build you a lasting dynasty just as I built for David, and I will give Israel to you."

Jeroboam didn't listen.

2 Chronicles 11:15 "..And Jeroboam appointed his own priests for the high places and for the goat demons and calf idols he had made."

Jeroboam's disobedience led to this: 2 Chronicles 11:16 "Those from every tribe of Israel who had set their hearts to seek the LORD their God followed the Levites to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the LORD, the God of their fathers."

All the tribes returned.

Jeroboam did... listen, as he WAS setup as king of Israel over the northern ten tribes. He fell from grace when he setup the calf idols and common priests in the north. But God still did NOT destroy his kingdom until many kings of Israel after Jeroboam!

The remnants of the northern ten tribes that refused Jeroboam's idol worship in the north did NOT mean ALL of the ten tribes left and sided with Judah at Jerusalem. That's just ignorant to imply something like that against the evidence of The Scripture.

It is also Biblical ignorance to imply that ALL... the ten northern tribes returned to Jerusalem-Judea at 'any' point in history! They never returned to the holy land, and are STILL to this day scattered in the nations, just like the MAJORITY of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi also are still scattered (James 1:1).

So if the LIE you say were true, that ALL the tribes returned under Rehoboam and Judah, then all the Bible history after 1 Kings 12 to 2 Kings 17 would never have been written! Thus your idea is just SILLY, and GOES AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD.

Davy · Jul 8, 2022

(Continued from Post #84)

The following is an excerpt from The Declaration of Arbroath, the Scottish declaration of independence. It was written by the leaders of the Scots addressed to the pope in 1320 asking him to recognize the kingdom of Scotland.

"Most Holy Father, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. It journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage peoples, but nowhere could it be subdued by any people, however barbarous. Thence it came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to its home in the west where it still lives today. The Britons it first drove out, the Picts it utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, it took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the histories of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all servitude ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken by a single foreigner. The high qualities and merits of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, shine
forth clearly enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor did He wish them to be confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles - by calling, though second or third in rank - the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter’s brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron for ever." (The Declaration of Arbroath | National Records of Scotland)

They actually 'knew'... the old histories of their origins to that land, all the way back from their heritage of Israel. That is what those leaders of the Scots were saying, that they had a heritage from old Israel. Their link to old Spain was through the Milesians who migrated to ancient Ireland and became kings there first, and then some of them migrated to Scotland. (Milesian Dynasty in Ireland - Story of Ireland)

No wonder Apostle Paul wanted to visit the brethren in old Spain!

Rom 15:23-24
23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you;

24 Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company.
KJV

In case one still does not understand this, the house of David, i.e., the "tender one" of Ezekiel 17 cut off from the branches of Zedekiah, king of Judah, was planted elsewhere in the world, and that planting reveals it was in the Isle of Ireland, and would migrate to Scotland and then England, and then to the rest of the European nations, and involved thrones, kings and queens of the house of David established in both western and eastern Europe.

It is for THIS reason that Christ's enemies have sought to destroy all the European Monarchs. Christ's enemies well understand just who they are with their origins from both the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", and especially those monarchs descended from the house of David. In the French Revolution Christ's enemies murdered the king and queen of France. In England, Oliver Cromwell had the king of that time murdered. In 1917 Russia, the Bolsheviks murdered Czar Nicholas II and his wife Alexandria, and children. The Czar and Alexandria were both descendants of Queen Victoria of Great Britain. Alexandria's mother was the Queen of Denmark. The German Kaiser was cousin to Czar Nicholas II, but Christ's enemies still pushed them to war against each other in WWI.

Prior to WWII, many of the eastern European nations had Christian kings and queens sitting upon thrones until those nations were relinquished to Communism by agreements between Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, and Joseph Stalin. Thus prior to WWII and prior to agreements between the so-called "big three", eastern Europe that was primarily made up of Christian nations fell to Communist control after the war. This was one of the dirty little secrets of the 'big three' meetings during WWII, to determine the layout of Europe after the war was over.

So no wonder many of the TV series and movies about the European monarchs are a big joke, because they are produced by many of Christ's enemies who instead serve atheism and Communism. Even the old saying that the French queen Marie Antoinette's was claimed to have said, "let them eat cake", was just a propaganda slogan designed by the enemies of the throne to deface royal monarchs. There's no proof she ever said any such thing as that. It is common for both sides in war to start propaganda lies against each other. The U.S. did the same things during WWI against the German enemy, and in WWII against the Germans again, and against Japan. Yet Christ's enemies of the French Revolution that overthrew the monarchy of France still push that propaganda against the royal monarchs.

They still do their propaganda with Spain too, concerning Spain's Civil War in 1937. Communist infiltrators crept into the government of Spain in the 1930's and were determined to destroy both the Church there and its royal monarchy. General Francisco Franco was painted as a Fascist simply because he understood what Moscow was up to in Spain, and he petitioned Hitler for military aid, which he got in order to defeat the Communist Republicans. Thus Franco protected the Church and monarchy in Spain by doing that, and Communist control of Spain fell through (even though Communists still demonstrate in the streets of Spain yearly). What is even more telling in that era of Spain, is how many Americans flocked over to Spain to fight on the side of the Communist Republicans! And thus movies and books were immortalized by those Leftist-leaners who supported the Communists in Spain with their hardship stories of the Communist Republicans, and the evil monarchy!

Wake up brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Christ's enemies well know these things I speak of. If you don't also know, it is because of their propaganda.

Norbert L · Jul 9, 2022

Davy said:
Jeroboam did... listen, as he WAS setup as king of Israel over the northern ten tribes. He fell from grace when he setup the calf idols and common priests in the north. But God still did NOT destroy his kingdom until many kings of Israel after Jeroboam!

Who made the goat demons and calf idols?

Norbert L said:
2 Chronicles 11:15 "..And Jeroboam appointed his own priests for the high places and for the goat demons and calf idols he had made."

Where did every tribe end up?

Norbert L said:
Jeroboam's disobedience led to this: 2 Chronicles 11:16 "Those from every tribe of Israel who had set their hearts to seek the LORD their God followed the Levites to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the LORD, the God of their fathers."

Davy · Jul 9, 2022

Norbert L said:
Who made the goat demons and calf idols?

Where did every tribe end up?

I don't know why I waste my time with you, since you fail so miserably in reading comprehension.

The 2 Chronicles 11 Scripture is NOT saying ALL the ten tribes left the NORTH.

2 Chron 11:14-17
14 For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD:

15 And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.

16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

17 So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon.
KJV

That is NOT saying ALL the ten northern tribes left Jeroboam's kingdom of Israel at Samaria.

And it should be obvious, since the two separate kingdoms warred against each other, and the kings of Assyria removed the TEN NORTHERN TRIBES LATER CAPTIVE TO ASSYRIA AND THE LANDS OF THE MEDES...

2 Kings 17:5-18
5 Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria, and besieged it three years.

6 In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.

7 For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, Which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods,

8 And walked in the statutes of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made.

9 And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.

10 And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree:

11 And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as did the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger:

12 For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, "Ye shall not do this thing."

13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, "Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by My servants the prophets."

14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.

15 And they rejected His statutes, and His covenant that He made with their fathers, and His testimonies which He testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.

16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger.

18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of His sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.
KJV

That happened LONG AFTER JEROBOAM HAD BEEN DEAD!

Norbert L · Jul 10, 2022

Davy said:
I don't know why I waste my time with you, since you fail so miserably in reading comprehension.

The 2 Chronicles 11 Scripture is NOT saying ALL the ten tribes left the NORTH.

That happened LONG AFTER JEROBOAM HAD BEEN DEAD!

Because by your own words that happened long after 1 Kings 8:56 and you are unable to say either Solomon told the truth or Solomon lied because that gets in the way of the replacement theory you proposed.

The way it looks like. When someone senses that they are in the wrong, they will fill up with more thoughts to rationalize what they want to comprehend. It's not out of the ordinary to make sense of the now and project a fictional world view of the past into our present full of holes in their narrative. They just can't comprehend their mistake yet.

Here's another one. The NT is rather plain "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes of the Dispersion: Greetings." All the tribes are accounted for and you made another mistake in your OP.

Davy said:
The Gospel was preached at Jerusalem and then rejected, it would be sent to those ten tribes scattered and living among the Gentiles.

Davy · Jul 10, 2022

Norbert L said:
Because by your own words that happened long after 1 Kings 8:56 and you are unable to say either Solomon told the truth or Solomon lied because that gets in the way of the replacement theory you proposed.

WHY DO YOU MISQUOTE ME?

When I said, "That happened long after Jeroboam had been dead", that was in reference to the SPECIFIC 2 KINGS 17:5-18 Scripture I quoted.

You are a FAKE, and have no intention of sticking to what The Bible says as written. You are only here to spread CHAOS and the devil's work. May God rebuke you.

Norbert L · Jul 11, 2022

Davy said:
WHY DO YOU MISQUOTE ME?

When I said, "That happened long after Jeroboam had been dead", that was in reference to the SPECIFIC 2 KINGS 17:5-18 Scripture I quoted.

You are a FAKE, and have no intention of sticking to what The Bible says as written. You are only here to spread CHAOS and the devil's work. May God rebuke you.

You came here offering a replacement theory and you can't either state Solomon spoke the truth before God and the congregation of Israel or say Solomon lied before God and the congregation of Israel. There is nothing fake or deceptive about that.

[edit] Satire It's hard to pick up and a complete day without a response. It's a solid way to identify and demonstrate a comprehension problem on the part of a reader. This explains why the replacement theory in the OP is reading fictional things into the history of Israel.

readywriter · Aug 4, 2022

Davy said:
Some threads here pushing the crazy idea that God has set Israel aside. That is a major sign of Biblical ignorance and Biblical illiteracy.

Those must not have a clue about the history of the Western Christian Nations either, which is about The Gospel taking hold in the nations of Asia Minor and Europe after the Passion of Christ.

In Genesis 35, God gave a prophecy to Jacob that his seed would become, "a nation, and a company of nations". Where was that "company of nations" fulfilled? Certainly not in the holy land.

And in Genesis 48, Jacob on his deathbed, blessed Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, saying that Manasseh would be "great", but that his younger brother Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations". That was obviously the continuing prophecy God gave to Jacob being transferred to Ephraim's seed.

When God later split the old nation of Israel into two separate kingdoms and nations, He gave ten tribes to a leader from the tribe of Ephraim. Thus Ephraim became the head tribe over the northern ten tribes of Israel. Then they fell into idol worship, and God removed them from the holy land. Only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi (JEWS) remained in the southern lands.

Per the prophecies in the Book of Hosea, God said He would end the northern kingdom of Israel (ten tribes under Ephraim), that He would scatter them so they would not find their way back, and in new lands, in the wilderness, He would give them their full idols of Baal worship for forgetting Him. They would lose the feast days, His sabbaths, new moons, basically knowledge of their being part of old Israel. But the time would eventually come when He would take the names of Baali they called Him out of their mouths, and they would begin to call Him "Ishi". And he would make them lie down safely and make a covenant with them and the land.

And the in final, where it was said to them 'not My people', it would be said that they are the sons of the living God.

The meaning of that? -- God scattered the majority of the children of the seed of Israel, the ten northern tribes, because of their idolatry and rebellion against Him. But then God would use that scattering to set them up in new lands among the Gentiles. And when The Gospel was preached at Jerusalem and then rejected, it would be sent to those ten tribes scattered and living among the Gentiles. And both, those ten lost tribes along with believing Gentiles would become Christ's Church, particularly in the nations of Asia Minor and Europe, Great Britain being the first nation on a national scale to accept Jesus Christ. And then from there they would send Christian ambassadors with The Gospel of Jesus Christ to the rest of the world.

Now since then, Christ's enemies have ever been trying to destroy the Western Christian Nations and its allies. They have particularly went after the Christian royal families of Europe, and they still create propaganda against the European monarchs to try and get you to hate the idea of God's ordaining of the house of David. The orthodox Jews are also jealous of the Christian nations and their monarchs because of this, because back in the days of Jeremiah the prophet, Jerusalem lost their king of Judah there, and all of Zedekiah's son heirs; David's throne ended there in Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.

Hello @Davy

With respect the misunderstanding is yours. For when it is said on this section of the forum that Israel has been laid aside temporarily in unbelief, that is entirely Scriptural. As is their blindness at this present time.

'For I would not, brethren,
.. that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
.... lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
...... that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
........ until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
.......... And so all Israel shall be saved:
as it is written,
..There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
.... and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
...... For this is My covenant unto them,
........ when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.'
(Rom 11:25-29)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

BABerean2 · Aug 5, 2022

readywriter said:
'For I would not, brethren,
.. that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
.... lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
...... that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
........ until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
.......... And so all Israel shall be saved:

The "manner" of salvation was left out.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

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readywriter · Aug 6, 2022

BABerean2 said:
The "manner" of salvation was left out.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Hello @BABerean,

The manner of salvation was not the subject I was addressing.

The manner of salvation at the time Paul wrote, was the same for all men, whether Jew or Gentile. What Paul was making clear to the believing remnant of Israel was, that all of Israel would be saved, but that had a future application, and would be achieved in quite a different way, as the Old Testament prophets testify.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

BABerean2 · Aug 6, 2022

readywriter said:
What Paul was making clear to the believing remnant of Israel was, that all of Israel would be saved, but that had a future application, and would be achieved in quite a different way, as the Old Testament prophets testify.

No. The New Covenant is "everlasting" below. God is not going back to the Old Covenant during a future time. It was only as shadow of Christ.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

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readywriter · Aug 7, 2022

BABerean2 said:
No. The New Covenant is "everlasting" below. God is not going back to the Old Covenant during a future time. It was only as shadow of Christ.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

2,
Hello @BABerean2

There is no suggestion in my post that God is going back to the Old Covenant. No! That was never in contention.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

BABerean2 · Aug 7, 2022

readywriter said:
2,
Hello @BABerean2

There is no suggestion in my post that God is going back to the Old Covenant. No! That was never in contention.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

What is the "everlasting covenant"?

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readywriter · Aug 8, 2022

BABerean2 said:
What is the "everlasting covenant"?

Hello BABerean2,

Eternal Covenants:-
Genesis 9:16 - between God and every living creature upon the earth after the flood.
Genesis 17:7,8 & 13, 1 Chronicles 16:17, Psalms 105:10 - between God and Abraham and His seed concerning the land.
Genesis 17:19 - between God and Abraham concerning His seed.
Leviticus 24:8 - with Israel concerning the shew bread for the tabernacle.
2 Samuel 23:5 - between God and David concerning His house
Isaiah 55:4 - With everyone that thirsteth
Jeremiah 32:10, Ezekiel 16:60 - The New Covenant to be established by God with Israel and Judah.
Ezekiel 37:26 - A covenant of peace - to be made with Israel.
Hebrews 13:20 - The blood of the New Covenant.

* The covenant established at Sinai between God and the children of Israel is not called an everlasting covenant: this is the covenant which Israel has broken (Isaiah 24:5) it is this covenant which will be replaced by the New Covenant which God will make with Israel and Judah, in that day of God's choosing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

BABerean2 · Aug 8, 2022

readywriter said:
it is this covenant which will be replaced by the New Covenant which God will make with Israel and Judah, in that day of God's choosing.

That day was at Calvary, when the blood of the New Covenant was shed for sin.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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