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What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?
 

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What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?

What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?

What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?
There is no scripture revealing the locations.

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?
The Jews did not focus on the afterlife

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?
NDE's are one of many tools Satan uses for deception.

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?
He said " I'll see you in Paradise", He did not say at what point they would meet.

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?
I dont adhere to the belief that Jesus Christ of Nazareth went to hell.

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?
We dont know exactly when but we do know He bound Satan in order to reveal the truth to the nations.

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge?
No challenge, it was fulfillment of scripture.

Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?
I dont understand the question.
 
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What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?
My opinion is that charismatics can have different ideas about this. Here I hope to offer what I have learned.

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?
The word "hell" can mean simply the grave, I think. And hell can mean the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. And there can be the temporary hell where the rich man was, before being processed on to the lake of fire and brimstone. So, like with reading various words, we need to pay attention to what they mean where they are used. But ones can rig meanings of words, so they contradict each other . . . contradicting not what God's word means, but how they have set up their misunderstandings to conflict with each other. And I suppose they do this in their relating, too, perhaps at home.

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?
Well, you can be close to a bonfire but not be burned, because you are not in it.

My opinion is the rich man was in a spiritual state . . . supernatural . . . so he could do things that a human body would not be able to do. However, he also was supernaturally wrong and deceived!

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?
Ok, so if Jesus did mean on that day the guy would be with Jesus in Paradise, it would be however God did that . . . in any case. Now . . . yes, remember, this would be supernatural, not what we have been experiencing.

I see how Jesus could have been in "hell", simply meaning in the grave. But spiritually He was Paradise, actually, wasn't He? I mean, Jesus is God as the Son, all the good there is of God and therefore the best of all that is in Paradise . . . of love and peace and joy and goodness. So, in any case, that guy on the cross would be with Jesus in His state of how Paradise is; he would be with Jesus, by being how Paradise is, in any case. Well, I didn't learn this at some earlier time . . . but I just got this :)

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?
Well, there is discussion about where the "hell" is where Jesus was. My opinion is Jesus was in the grave, and it seems He could have visited ones in Sheol, the holding place of ones who have died before Jesus came but they are not with Abraham.

But I will offer, by the way, that if Jesus went down to visit ones with the rich man, Jesus did not suffer >

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

God could give the sun a sunburn; so Jesus who is God's own Son could not suffer because of any flames in hell.

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?
Possibly, Heaven is spiritually present in various locations, but we do not experience it because of how we spiritually are not like Heaven . . . sort of like being set to a different radio wavelength which can not pick up the smooth jazz broadcast or the Tahitian vacation production.

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?
I don't know why Jesus was in the grave while He was. But it was not hard for God to get Him out. God is almighty to change a physical body into a body of His own glory. So, it was easy when it was time.

But if someone turns that into meaning it was hard for God to do . . . that is rigging what things mean and inventing a problem. My opinion is it was for the good reason that God had for doing things that way. One thing I get is that Jesus went through things of this life, as a demonstration of how God is involved in and through all the realities of this life of humans. So, Jesus staying in the grave for a while could help to show He means to share with us in our realities . . . "yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

Jesus is God's own Son so superior and better than we are. But Jesus is not conceited; and so He went through things of this life, in order to share with us. And so, among other things, I see how He would stay in the grave for a while, in order to share in our human experience and to show that, wherever we are, there can be God to share with us.
 
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What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?
I'm not sure if I am on the subject but I feel that the new world to come is this same planet that we are on or it may be a new planet in the universe as God has said he has many rooms in his house.
 
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What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

There are words we translate to Hell, but the Jewish Bible and some Messianic views don't match up with Catholic and Lutheran ones, so how is this sorted?

In NDEs some have revelations I take up with interest. Like that Heaven and Hell, are not far apart. I wonder how the rich man could see Lazarus and Abraham?

How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

How did Jesus cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?

Question 1: What are charismatic thoughts and readings on the locations of Paradise, Heaven and Hell? And the Hell and Paradise of Jesus Holy Saturday events?

My Answer: Heavens <plural verses
Deut 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

Find more here: 1 Kgs 8:27, 2 Chron 6:18, 6:39, Eph 4:10, 2 Cor 2:2,

The 1st heaven is the atmosphere around the earth. Where birds & planes fly.

The 2nd heaven is moon, stars, galaxies etc

The 3rd Heaven (another dimension/realm not in our universe) is where God dwells

Jacob's Ladder shows the Gate leading to the to the 3rd Heaven exists directly above the Temple Mt in Jerusalem. Gen 28:11-13 16-18

Two Jerusalem's 1 Earthly & 1 Heavenly.

Jerusalem from the Hebrew Yerushalayim. Any Hebrew noun ending in ""im"" is always plural

Whenever we say the word or read about Jerusalem. We are saying Jerusalem's, one physical - one spiritual

Yerushalayim shel maala , the heavenly Jerusalem & Yerushalayim shel matah, the earthly Jerusalem

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven!

Rev 21:2 I John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Sheol (Hebrew) Hades (Greek) Hell (English) this is a spirit place. Not the grave where the body decays.

Hell (English) is also in another dimension/realm

Question 2: How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

MY Answer: IMO this can be cleared up if the coma is moved from after You & placed after Today. We don't have the original transcripts & translators are imperfect people too.

Question 3: How did Jesus' cross from Hell to Paradise? With the Rich man to Abraham?

My Answer: The same way everyone else got there (Lk 16:22). Angels:

The LORD rides the clouds like a wind upon cherubim:

Ps 18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. Also see 2 Sam 22:11

Question 4: How did Abraham and the newly saved cross into Heaven and when?

My Answer: After Jesus rose 1st the graves were opened & many are seen entering Jerusalem (Matt 27:52-53) & they are with Him when He ascends Acts 1:9-11)

Question 5: Why did Jesus take so long before He rose from the dead in the body, what was the challenge? Why did this take so much power on Sunday morning?

My Answer: (1) He is fulfilling scripture (Jonah) & (2) 3 days proves He was in fact dead.
 
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Question 2: How could the good thief end up in Paradise with Jesus, before night fell on Friday?

MY Answer: IMO this can be cleared up if the coma is moved from after You & placed after Today. We don't have the original transcripts & translators are imperfect people too.

YAY....Punctuation was added by translators ...it is not God breathed and can alter an event if not properly placed....It's Nice to see someone else got this...although I believe it was the malefactor not the thief.
 
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