Drill sergeants in classrooms?

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I’ve somehow manage to live 54 years, buy a house, raise five kids, take decent vacations, etc. without knowing calculus, chemistry or physics.

We're talking about the requirements of being educated, not the above.
 
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I could have skipped the frog dissection, but if you don't learn physics and chemistry (and calculus for that matter), you don't understand how the world works. There should be art and literature expectations as well.

??? Don't know how the world works??

Back in the 70's (when I was in high school), Physics, Calculus were not required courses, a rudimentary chemistry course was taken along with Earth Science.

I hold a Bachelors and Masters in my discipline, are you saying I and the tens of millions of people who never took those optional course do not understand how the world works?

Certainly you misspoke.
 
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As for the misleading title of the thread.

I grew up in the 60's in a Catholic school. I would have traded a DI over the sisters in a heartbeat.

Right up into the middle school grades, it was so archaic and horrible. We had to stand when answering a question, address our teachers as Sister, ma'am or sir. There was no talking in class.
 
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??? Don't know how the world works??

Back in the 70's (when I was in high school), Physics, Calculus were not required courses, a rudimentary chemistry course was taken along with Earth Science.

I hold a Bachelors and Masters in my discipline, are you saying I and the tens of millions of people who never took those optional course do not understand how the world works?

Certainly you misspoke.

Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works. I don't know what your discipline is, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if you didn't have a decent grasp of math or physics. My wife has a graduate degree from an ivy league university and she asks me questions about middle school-level math.
 
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Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works.

Can you offer a real life example as to what you are referring to?
Please
 
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Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works. I don't know what your discipline is, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if you didn't have a decent grasp of math or physics. My wife has a graduate degree from an ivy league university and she asks me questions about middle school-level math.

Well, she should be forgiven if she has questions about how middle school math is being taught today.

But she should remember her own middle school math.
 
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Can you offer a real life example as to what you are referring to?
Please

Well, I was trying to keep my comment general, but if you want me to put a really fine point on it: I seem to recall a somewhat infamous thread from a while back where you went on at length about taxes without understanding how marginal tax rates worked. More recently, you started this thread in which you tried to tie the cancellation of a single sale of Alaskan drilling leases to current inflation, dismissing the Administration's explanation (quoted in the article) that it had been cancelled due to lack of demand, apparently unaware of the fact that this isn't even the first time that leases in that area have been cancelled due to lack of demand:

Cook Inlet was once Alaska’s leading region for oil and gas production, but its fortunes have since faded. Only about 10,000 barrels of oil are produced there daily, the equivalent of about 2% of North Slope production. But Cook Inlet natural gas provides electricity for most of the state’s population.

In 2017, Hilcorp was the lone bidder in the last federal Cook Inlet lease sale, acquiring 14 leases for more than $3 million.

That was the first time in 20 years that a company had bid on leases in the area. A 2004 federal lease sale generated no bids, and the federal government canceled three lease sales between 2006 and 2010, citing a lack of industry interest.

Persily said that oil companies are generally looking for quicker payoffs for their investments than they can get in Alaska, with its huge upfront costs and potentially a decade-long wait until first oil flows.

“A lease sale in Cook Inlet this year wasn’t going to do anything to solve high prices at the pump or global oil prices,” he said.

So, you clearly don't understand how this particular facet of the world works.

Looking back over our past interactions, here's a recent post where I corrected a misunderstanding of yours regarding the levels of government spending:
#17

Here's me correcting you when you claimed that Bob Gates wasn't a right-winger:
#7

Energy independence you got pretty wrong, too, if anybody wants to read that thread:
How long before gas goes to 4-5 a gallon?

I could go on, but I think that's enough for now.
 
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Well, she should be forgiven if she has questions about how middle school math is being taught today.

But she should remember her own middle school math.

Fortunately for both of us, I'm okay at math and she has many other redeeming qualities.
 
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No education or teaching experience necessary--just a DD214.

This is Florida's solution to the teacher shortage--militarizing classrooms.

In the hands of an authoritarian like DeSantis, this is terrifying.
Florida schools to let veterans teach without degrees
That's awesome!
I bet they do a better job than the woke teachers unions ever could
Veterans do have training of course it's just not the kind of training some recognize, but the kind that applies to real life.
 
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My daughter, if I remember correctly, was 1,180 - she went on to College, graduated nursing school from OSU and is currently a traveling RN. My youngest son was a little lower, I want to say 950? (it was a few years ago) - he is a journeyman in his field having gone to an aeronautic school.

Our four other children suffered through public schools, but are doing well.

Not many parents who went the route of getting their kid into a decent school or program within their school would consider those scores a pay off. Especially 950 which is below average.
 
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You're right, it is unambiguous. It's unambiguous in its meaning that homeschooling should take a higher priority than internet access. When A takes a higher priority than B, the logical conclusion is that B could be sacrificed for the sake of A. Er go, you unambiguously suggested that folks should consider homeschooling without internet access.

But then you contradicted yourself in post 113.

Still not true. But I did see where there is some ambiguity. Internet access for homeschooling, the need of which is minimal, can be done without paying high prices for super high speed service. You only need that for gaming and streaming, which goes back to priorities. The bottom line is that parents who want to homeschool their children can need to examine their expenses and figure out what’s necessary and what isn’t.
 
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...and then complain that they're under-represented in those institutions because they've been persecuted and shut out due to their faith.




That was a big theme of The Two Income Trap, too: concern over schooling (and its correlation with geography and home prices) + women entering the workforce resulted in a sort of arms race around lifestyles and education.

We're in a nanny share where each family is required to pay the state minimum wage (i.e. $12.50/hr), so after taxes, I'm out of pocket $28k/yr for one kid. When she's old enough for day care next year, it'll probably go down to about $20k/yr. Fortunately, we make enough that it still pays for us to do things this way, but ...yoiks...



I know you're not a boomer, but I'm having a hard time imagining a statement more worthy of an "ok boomer" than saying people should homeschool without internet access.



lol, that fact sold me on this plan more than anything. I'd pay to see that.




I know you're kidding, but that kind of discipline isn't terribly effective at getting people to really learn material. It may be conducive to some forms of rote memorization, but high stress levels tend to impede our brain's flexibility.

One thing it does accomplish is it forces the person to focus and pay attention. I know this from personal experience because my father was a drill instructor in the Marine Corps and had me doing 4th grade level reading and math before I started 1st grade. You’d be amazed at how focused a person can be when they know that if they start goofing off somebody will slap a knot on their head. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think that’s how our classrooms should be conducted and I’ve never slapped any of my children anywhere except their hand or butt. Just wanted to point out that it does give results.
 
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I’ve somehow manage to live 54 years, buy a house, raise five kids, take decent vacations, etc. without knowing calculus, chemistry or physics.

Honestly brother I assure you that you do know some physics. We use it everyday without even realizing it. However I do get your point that a large portion of what we’re taught in school will most likely never actually be used.
 
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One thing it does accomplish is it forces the person to focus and pay attention. I know this from personal experience because my father was a drill instructor in the Marine Corps and had me doing 4th grade level reading and math before I started 1st grade. You’d be amazed at how focused a person can be when they know that if they start goofing off somebody will slap a knot on their head. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think that’s how our classrooms should be conducted and I’ve never slapped any of my children anywhere except their hand or butt. Just wanted to point out that it does give results.

Yeah, I had a similar experience - while my dad didn't have that military background, he did go through catholic school in Brooklyn in the 50's and 60s and I also wound up advanced in those early grades. But elementary school is when a lot of that rote memorization is arguably most useful; and there comes a point when it's no longer enough and you need to move beyond it.
 
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Well, I was trying to keep my comment general, but if you want me to put a really fine point on it: I seem to recall a somewhat infamous thread from a while back where you went on at length about taxes without understanding how marginal tax rates worked. More recently, you started this thread in which you tried to tie the cancellation of a single sale of Alaskan drilling leases to current inflation, dismissing the Administration's explanation (quoted in the article) that it had been cancelled due to lack of demand, apparently unaware of the fact that this isn't even the first time that leases in that area have been cancelled due to lack of demand:



So, you clearly don't understand how this particular facet of the world works.

Looking back over our past interactions, here's a recent post where I corrected a misunderstanding of yours regarding the levels of government spending:
#17

Here's me correcting you when you claimed that Bob Gates wasn't a right-winger:
#7

Energy independence you got pretty wrong, too, if anybody wants to read that thread:
How long before gas goes to 4-5 a gallon?

I could go on, but I think that's enough for now.


Making the HUGE assumption you were actually correct in each of those circumstances, now please correlate those with Calculous and physics. or the lack there of.

My cursory look, not one of those have anything to do with Chemistry, Calculous or physics as did none of your responses.
 
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Making the HUGE assumption you were actually correct in each of those circumstances, now please correlate those with Calculous and physics. or the lack there of.

My cursory look, not one of those have anything to do with Chemistry, Calculous or physics as did none of your responses.

The comment that you asked me to illustrate wasn't limited to chemistry, calculus, or physics:

Judging by the discussions I've had and witnessed, I would say that a lot of people don't understand how the world (or at least parts of it) works.
 
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The comment that you asked me to illustrate wasn't limited to chemistry, calculus, or physics:

Yes it was - I thought you stayed on topic - my apologies.
 
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Yes it was - I thought you stayed on topic - my apologies.

I was addressing the issue of whether or not some folks understood "how the world works." In the context of the conversation you guys were already having, "the world" obviously represented some set of subjects beyond calculus, physics, and chemistry, as evidenced by the fact that you used your graduate degree in some other subject to suggest that you understood "how the world works." Your implication obviously was that there's more to "the world" than math and a couple of hard sciences. I then chimed in with a comment about how folks did (or did not) understand this broader "world." If you want to argue that this broader definition is off-topic, that's your business, but either way, I didn't take it there. I merely hopped in after it was already off-topic.
 
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I was addressing the issue of whether or not some folks understood "how the world works." In the context of the conversation you guys were already having, "the world" obviously represented some set of subjects beyond calculus, physics, and chemistry, as evidenced by the fact that you used your graduate degree in some other subject to suggest that you understood "how the world works." Your implication obviously was that there's more to "the world" than math and a couple of hard sciences. I then chimed in with a comment about how folks did (or did not) understand this broader "world." If you want to argue that this broader definition is off-topic, that's your business, but either way, I didn't take it there. I merely hopped in after it was already off-topic.

OKIE DOKIE
 
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