Drill sergeants in classrooms?

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Yeah well if Senior Drill Instructor Hartman was conducting a class I bet the students would have better grades and everyone would turn in their homework assignments. Lol
Probably not the best example.
 
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Yeah well if Senior Drill Instructor Hartman was conducting a class I bet the students would have better grades and everyone would turn in their homework assignments. Lol

Ain’t that the truth!
 
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Yeah well if Senior Drill Instructor Hartman was conducting a class I bet the students would have better grades and everyone would turn in their homework assignments. Lol

It would not surrise me in the least. There were teachers like that when I was in high school. Ones who failed to actually teach but kept parents and students happy by giving out good grades. I avoided them like the plague and instead took teachers who demanded more, actually taught and actually cared. It paid off when I took the SAT.
 
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Because it is not as scary and dramatic to say vet's.

It seems to many on the left vilifying those who fought and in many cases died or severely injured fighting for their freedom to say whatever they want are to be denigrated, looked down upon as authoritarian robots doing the work of an evil system.

Discipline, teamwork, honor seem to be punchlines to some.

With the advent of this called the internet home schooling has become a very viable option to the public indoctrination centers we call schools. My oldest two were home schooled their last four years of high school. Their SAT scores speak for the effectiveness of the program we had them enrolled in.

And just what were those scores? Did they also take any of the subject specific exams?
 
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And just what were those scores? Did they also take any of the subject specific exams?


We had several Air Force friends back in the 80s who were homeschooling their children. Their children are literally doctors, lawyers, and computer programmers today. Except for one who is an Air Force colonel.

My daughter wishes we'd homeschooled her, because her public school experience was torture.
 
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People should revolt and abandon those government schools. Time to rise up!

...and then complain that they're under-represented in those institutions because they've been persecuted and shut out due to their faith.


Long time ago, I saw an interesting article in Men's Health (of all places) that broke down the economics of working mothers compared to stay-at-home mothers. Essentially, unless the mother was a very high-earner or had a relative providing free day-care, it did not pay for a mother to put kids in day care and work outside the home at median individual income or less.

And the time it takes to home school is quite minimal...two or three hours a day will do it.

That was a big theme of The Two Income Trap, too: concern over schooling (and its correlation with geography and home prices) + women entering the workforce resulted in a sort of arms race around lifestyles and education.

We're in a nanny share where each family is required to pay the state minimum wage (i.e. $12.50/hr), so after taxes, I'm out of pocket $28k/yr for one kid. When she's old enough for day care next year, it'll probably go down to about $20k/yr. Fortunately, we make enough that it still pays for us to do things this way, but ...yoiks...

It’s very realistic for most families. You just need to have it as a priority over things like Internet and smart phones.

I know you're not a boomer, but I'm having a hard time imagining a statement more worthy of an "ok boomer" than saying people should homeschool without internet access.

One major negative, as far as the education industry is concerned, to using veterans as teachers:

Veterans are far more likely to throw a bravo sierra flag at a lot of political shenanigans. Nobody is going to give politics a quicker side eye than a military veteran.

lol, that fact sold me on this plan more than anything. I'd pay to see that.


Yeah well if Senior Drill Instructor Hartman was conducting a class I bet the students would have better grades and everyone would turn in their homework assignments. Lol

I know you're kidding, but that kind of discipline isn't terribly effective at getting people to really learn material. It may be conducive to some forms of rote memorization, but high stress levels tend to impede our brain's flexibility.
 
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...and then complain that they're under-represented in those institutions because they've been persecuted and shut out due to their faith.

No
 
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Has anyone seen those TV programmes in america - "scared straight" or something.
They basically take naughty kids and beast them in a jail. The idea is to beast them into being good.

I think this is a mistake - it's hard to fathom putting your child in that situation. It must be staged.


I remember seeing that show back in the 70s. They followed up years later and only one of the kids ended up in jail.
 
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And just what were those scores? Did they also take any of the subject specific exams?

My daughter, if I remember correctly, was 1,180 - she went on to College, graduated nursing school from OSU and is currently a traveling RN. My youngest son was a little lower, I want to say 950? (it was a few years ago) - he is a journeyman in his field having gone to an aeronautic school.

Our four other children suffered through public schools, but are doing well.
 
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Why is that necessary for a good education?

I could have skipped the frog dissection, but if you don't learn physics and chemistry (and calculus for that matter), you don't understand how the world works. There should be art and literature expectations as well.
 
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I know you're not a boomer, but I'm having a hard time imagining a statement more worthy of an "ok boomer" than saying people should homeschool without internet access.
I never said they should.
 
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Why change course now? That's what evangelicofundamentalists have done with academia, arts/entertainment, science, and probably a few other fields I'm forgetting.
Why the straw man?
 
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I could have skipped the frog dissection, but if you don't learn physics and chemistry (and calculus for that matter), you don't understand how the world works. There should be art and literature expectations as well.
I’ve somehow manage to live 54 years, buy a house, raise five kids, take decent vacations, etc. without knowing calculus, chemistry or physics.
 
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Why the straw man?

There is no straw man.

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It’s unambiguous.

You're right, it is unambiguous. It's unambiguous in its meaning that homeschooling should take a higher priority than internet access. When A takes a higher priority than B, the logical conclusion is that B could be sacrificed for the sake of A. Er go, you unambiguously suggested that folks should consider homeschooling without internet access.

But then you contradicted yourself in post 113.

Saying that I’ve made an argument about a position that I’ve never made is a straw man.

I didn't say you made that argument. You misunderstood me.
 
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