Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

Deafsilence · Aug 1, 2022

DavidPT said:
What event then is the sign that the first 69 weeks have concluded? Meaning something you can prove from Daniel chapter 9.

Not one single thing from verse 24 is finished in the 69 weeks. It is the 70th week when they are FINISHED. All anyone would need to know about when the first 69 weeks completed was to count them. No different then if I said in 10 weeks this is going to happen. You would just count 9 weeks and then know when the 10th week is going to happen. We already know the starting point of the count which is in Haggai:

Hag 1:1 In the second year of Darius the king, in the sixth month, in the first day of the month, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet unto Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, saying,

However, I was able to go backward to count from the end and hit the times. But those at that time would have known the 2nd year of Darius the king.

Douggg · Aug 1, 2022

grafted branch said:
I don’t want to get sidetracked or debate free will vs election; but it appears from your statement that people will not be able to use their free will during the millennium, instead they will be conformed to using Gods will.

Is this your view? If not can you clarify?

No, that is not my view. People will have free will during the millennium. But what is not going to be allowed is for evil to prosper.

Christian Gedge · Aug 2, 2022

Trivalee said:
Hi Chris, Matt 18:21-22 might have alluded to the 490 years or it could have been merely a coincidence. Either way, it still doesn't prove that the 490 years is completely fulfilled.

A coincidence perhaps if it was the only coincidence. But there are a more allusions to Daniel countdown in the New Testament. I have compiled these an put them in an academic paper.

@Trivalee , @Douggg , @DavidPT and @Chris Thomas Shepherd,

Please go here and study the examples from page 5 to 10.

JohnRemnant · Aug 2, 2022

Christian Gedge said:
Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

The midst of the week, where the daily oblation ceases, this is actually the second woe of Revelation. When Satan is here claiming to be Christ. Those verses are yet future. Symbolically, its in this sense this term is used "the daily sacrifice stops". Because instead of Christians worshiping Christ, they take their belief and faith to Satan thinking he is Christ. At the second woe, aka The Sixth Trump. Revelation 13, when the second beast ( Satan ) appears claiming to be the lamb slain. Paul taught this too 2 Thessalians 2
(the falling away aka apostasy).
This is that overspreading of abomination that makes desolate. Or the desolator upon wings brings desolation. Christ taught that in Matthew 24.

The whole of the tribulation of Satan was shortened by Christ for The Elects sake or no one would have salvation. ( no flesh saved ). Because Satan would be that convincing.

We get the exact timeline this was shortened to in Revelation 9. To Five Months. Daniel's original time could still apply only in the sense of its building, to that point.

But the actual woes, thus the tribulation itself of antichrist , are contained in a space of Five Months.

So the midst of the week is half way through Five Months Satan appears claiming to be Christ to the world. Its not long after this does Christ return actually after the two witnesses are put to death and resurrect.

Trivalee · Aug 2, 2022

Christian Gedge said:
A coincidence perhaps if it was the only coincidence. But there are a more allusions to Daniel countdown in the New Testament. I have compiled these an put them in an academic paper.

@Trivalee , @Douggg , @DavidPT and @Chris Thomas Shepherd,

Please go here and study the examples from page 5 to 10.

I will have a look. Thank you.

Trivalee · Aug 2, 2022

JohnRemnant said:
The midst of the week, where the daily oblation ceases, this is actually the second woe of Revelation. When Satan is here claiming to be Christ. Those verses are yet future. Symbolically, its in this sense this term is used "the daily sacrifice stops". Because instead of Christians worshiping Christ, they take their belief and faith to Satan thinking he is Christ. At the second woe, aka The Sixth Trump. Revelation 13, when the second beast ( Satan ) appears claiming to be the lamb slain.

The whole of the tribulation of Satan was shortened by Christ for The Elects sake or no one would have salvation. ( no flesh saved ).

We get the exact timeline this was shortened to in Revelation 9. To Five Months. So you have to apply Daniels midst of the week to this new timeline.

Christians DO NOT OFFER SACRIFICE! Secondly, Christians have no need to worship in a temple. Paul was specific that:

The Antichrist (not Satan) will sit in the TEMPLE showing himself as God, 2 Thess 2:4.
This MUST be a brick and mortar temple and not the temple of the heart as some erroneously affirm. Otherwise, how can anyone see the Beast/AC who is a man (imbued with power by Satan) sitting in a man's heart?
Given the above, the sacrifice to be stopped refers to intransigent Jews who will revert to the ancient practice of animal sacrifice.
The reason some deny that it's the Jews is that they cannot envisage the third temple for now. But God's prophecy MUST be fulfilled.
Any Christian who worships the beast is not truly saved because genuine believers will see through the ruse.

Trivalee · Aug 2, 2022

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:
The scriptures only say that no one will know the hour, day and time if Jesus's 2nd coming. It says nothing about translating the prophecies in the Bible and determining timelines based on the times stated in the Bible.
I have a complete timeline covering the end-time in my book that is 10 pages long. I understand your unwillingness to accept what I stated. I have not presented anything that will change your mind. However, it says in the Bible that the prophets who wrote the Bible were under the direct influence of Holy Spirit that guided their writing / visions ...
The only way that one can translate / interpret these prophecies is also under the influence of the Holy Spirit. It is only through divine guidance that one can interpret biblical prophecies correctly. I assert that I was under the divine guidance of the Holy Spirit when I translated the prophecies found in Daniel and Revelation.

Good on you then, brother....

Trivalee · Aug 2, 2022

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:
It's July 2072

So you say; my question was, where in scripture did the Holy Spirit it? Please show me and I will believe you.

JohnRemnant · Aug 2, 2022

Trivalee said:
Christians DO NOT OFFER SACRIFICE!

Did not imply Christians offer sacrifice. You jumped the gun a bit fast and misread me. And this was not the main point of the post .Only to share insight of
Daniel 9:27 kjv.

Hosea 14:2
Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

I mentioned that this is a prophetic figure of speech, like used in Revelation.
So in a spiritual sense.. Sacrifice was done by the Levitical Priests. But the believer offered up the best they had to God.
But today, Christians sacrifice their love and acceptable service to God.
The Lords Passover, which is called communion today is also symbolic of Christ sacrifice and He instructs Christians to take the unleavened bread and wine every Passover and Pentecost
(as often as they met).

Much Like Ezekiel 40- 48 is about The Lords Day yet uses animal sacrifice as a illustration for the spiritual. Since flesh and blood cannot inherent Gods Kingdom and all are changed at that time.

Likewise Daniel is using language that is symbolic the timeline and subject dictates its a illustration.
The Daily sacrifice in this sense then is faith in Christ. Which we live daily. Not just one day of the week or one day of the year. If belief is said to stop its because of the subject, Satan standing in the hearts of Christians claiming to be what he's not ( Christ is the temple ) But Satan will claim to be.

So daily sacrificed stopped in prophetic language, but in plain language its called The Great Apostasy 2 Thessalians 2.

Anti in Greek means (instead of). So instead of Christ, first comes Satan claiming to be. This is all anti means. It can mean apposed if as individuals. But Satan himself being the subject matter, comes disguised as an angel of light. Specifically as Christ.
Visually seeing is already explained, in Revelation 13. And 2 Thessalians 2. But the subject aims to warn the believer from apostasy, and the crux of the matter is the heart. The warning involves beliefs. Its already established Satan appears to the world with quite a show. But this is not the main focus of the entire teaching around it. But to avoid deception.
There is no 3rd temple mentioned anywhere in scriptures. But Christ is the temple Satan wants to sit in, basically in the hearts and minds of the people he becomes head of Christians. And that is an abomination and idolotry and adultery in the highest degree.

Jerusalem is the geo location.
A genuine believer would be The Elect and they have to know what Gods word says. If they believe in mans words then they wont weather this storm. Rapture for example teaches they dont have to even worry about Revelation. Thus Gods word is supplanted by traditions of men and that teaching is very popular. It teaches all Christians to worship and fall before the first one that appears claiming to be Christ. And in this, most of the worlds Christians are deceived. And they were very well Christians. Up until that point. Revelation is clear. Christ is giving the warning to the churches. Are they listening? I think not. There is a reason Christ is very dire about this warning and revealing Revelation.

To go back and illustrate the figure or analogy Daniel used before,
Ezekiel 40-48 is during The Lords Day ( Rev 20 ).
There is no flesh and blood. Yet animal sacrifice is used as illustration;
for the Spiritual work The Elect do during this time of a thousand years tending to the people and work of God. So the mind must make the connection this is illustration and update it for the time its about. The Lords Day.

Ezekiel 40:
9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

Trivalee · Aug 2, 2022

JohnRemnant said:
Did not imply Christians offer sacrifice. You jumped the gun a bit fast and misread me. And this was not the main point of the post .Only to share insight of
Daniel 9:27 kjv.

Hosea 14:2
Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

I mentioned that this is a prophetic figure of speech, like used in Revelation.
In a spiritual sense, sacrifice was done by the Levitical Priests. But the believer offered up the best they had to God.
But today, Christians sacrifice their love and acceptable service to God.
The Lords Passover, which is called communion today is also symbolic of Christ sacrifice and He instructs Christians to take the unleavened bread and wine every Passover and Pentecost
(as often as they met).

Much Like Ezekiel 40- 48 is about The Lords Day yet uses animal sacrifice as a illustration for the spiritual. Since flesh and blood cannot inherent Gods Kingdom and all are changed at that time.

Likewise Daniel is using language that is symbolic the timeline and subject dictates its a illustration.
The Daily sacrifice in this sense then is faith in Christ. Which we live daily. Not just one day of the week or one day of the year. If belief is said to stop its because of the subject, Satan standing in the hearts of Christians claiming to be what he's not ( Christ is the temple ) But Satan will claim to be.

So daily sacrificed stopped in prophetic language, but in plain language its called The Great Apostasy 2 Thessalians 2.

Anti in Greek means (instead of). So instead of Christ, first comes Satan claiming to be. This is all anti means. It can mean apposed if as individuals. But Satan himself being the subject matter, comes disguised as an angel of light. Specifically as Christ.

Visually seeing is already explained, in Revelation 13. And 2 Thessalians 2. But the subject aims to warn the believer from apostasy, and the crux of the matter is the heart. The warning involves beliefs. Its already established Satan appears to the world with quite a show. But this is not the main focus of the entire teaching around it. But to avoid deception.

There is no 3rd temple mentioned anywhere in scriptures. But Christ is the temple Satan wants to sit in, basically in the hearts and minds of the people he becomes head of Christians. And that is an abomination and idolotry and adultery in the highest degree.

Jerusalem is the geo location.

A genuine believer would be The Elect and they have to know what Gods word says. If they believe in mans words then they wont weather this storm. Rapture for example teaches they dont have to even worry about Revelation. Thus Gods word is supplanted by traditions of men and that teaching is very popular. It teaches all Christians to worship and fall before the first one that appears claiming to be Christ. And in this, most of the worlds Christians are deceived. And they were very well Christians. Up until that point. Revelation is clear. Christ is giving the warning to the churches. Are they listening? I think not. There is a reason Christ is very dire about this warning and revealing Revelation.

To go back and illustrate the figure or analogy Daniel used before,
Ezekiel 40-48 is during The Lords Day ( Rev 20 ).
There is no flesh and blood. Yet animal sacrifice is used as illustration;
for the Spiritual work The Elect do during this time of a thousand years tending to the people and work of God. So the mind must make the connection this is illustration and update it for the time its about. The Lords Day.

Ezekiel 40:
9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

You have this proclivity to overkill. Something a few paragraphs would suffice, you'd go for a thousand words. That's superfluous, but that's me. Anyhow, I don't believe your interpretation of the sacrifice fits the context. I am not dogmatic and I don't argue for the sake of argument.

The sacrifice that the beast will stop MUST be considered in conjunction with where it [the sacrifice] occurs. Antiochus IV Epiphanes (A4E), arguably the antitype of the future AC, also caused a cessation of the sacrifices in the temple in Daniel 8:13-14. The AC will also do the same after which, the False Prophet will coerce the whole world at the pain of death to worship the beast. Revelation 13

There are several references in scripture where the word 'temple' is used in a metaphoric sense, in each case, the context makes it impossible to render the translation into a physical temple.

The same applies when 'temple' is used in a physical sense as in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. It is futile to try to spin it into a spiritual temple. You can quote half the bible (invariably out of context) to justify the temple (where the Antichrist will sit showing off as God) is spiritual, but it will be a nebulous argument at best.

The Antichrist using the power of Satan will practice lies and deception and his best chance of persuading the world at the time must be a public show of himself sitting in a symbolic place of worship as God! I have no doubt that all the world's News Media will have a field day broadcasting the image. This whole charade will be impossible if one claims it is the temple of the heart.

JohnRemnant · Aug 2, 2022

Trivalee said:
You have this proclivity to overkill. Something a few paragraphs would suffice, you'd go for a thousand words. That's superfluous, but that's me. Anyhow, I don't believe your interpretation of the sacrifice fits the context. I am not dogmatic and I don't argue for the sake of argument.

You say you're not dogmatic, and not argumentative; but you are replying to something I wrote geared to the original poster. This would be over two times you've done this across different threads. And even went so far as to complain about my need to document what I said with scriptures. Which I see as needful not superfluous. Everyone should be so thorough in these discussions to make a effort to clarify.

Your reply to me warrant as much given you took out of context what I originally said. Less words would only offer you more pretense to take out of context what I said. So I want to be careful this time around to more fully explain what I meant so there is no misunderstanding. I hope you understand.

I wont reply to the other ideas you lent because I don't subscribe to them and don't believe they fit scriptures end time teachings accuratly.

JohnRemnant · Aug 2, 2022

Trivalee said:
The Antichrist using the power of Satan will practice lies and deception and his best chance of persuading the world at the time must be a public show of himself sitting in a symbolic place of worship as God! I have no doubt that all the world's News Media will have a field day broadcasting the image. This whole charade will be impossible if one claims it is the temple of the heart.

Antichrist is just a synonymous name for Satans role of deception. Instead of Christ first come Satan.
I agree one thing that the media will help Satan.

I will clarify that in this is the image of the beast magnified by Education with Media.
The image of a previously failed one world system coming to power with Satan making it all work.
Because they worshiped the dragon. Appearing as a lamb on the surface but the voice is still the dragon and with those lies they do hurt.

Douggg · Aug 2, 2022

Ligurian said:
I believe the Antichrist is the little horn/mouth of the first beast.

"given to him a mouth speaking great things" in Revelation 13:5.
"a mouth speaking great things" in Daniel 7:8.
one is the second beast, the other is the little horn.
There's no 2nd beast with the 4th beast in Daniel.
There's no little horn in Revelation.
= they're both the same thing, by different names.

3 horns being rooted up in Daniel 7:8,
1 head wounded in Revelation 13:3
= cause and effect.
The lamb that was slain has 7 horns, Revelation 5:6
The beast pretends to be the lamb.

Ligurian, there are three specific main individuals who meet their end when Jesus returns.

1. the beast
2. the false prophet
3. the dragon

The first beast in Revelation 13 is...

1. the beast - a person, the last role of the little horn person
2. the beast - as a kingdom, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7

The second beast in Revelation 13 is...

1. the false prophet
...a. likely claims to be Elijah initially.
...b. causes all to worship the image made of the first beast person
...c. speaks like a dragon - like Satan, the father of lies.
...d. horns like a lamb - deceptively harmless.

The dragon in Revelation is...
1. Satan
2. worshiped by incarnating the statue image of the beast
...a. the statue image will be the abomination of desolation.

At Jesus's return in Revelation 19.
1. the beast person cast alive into the lake of fire.
2. the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.
3. the dragon, Satan, cast into the bottomless pit.
4. the abomination of desolation statue image - turned to ashes.

Douggg · Aug 2, 2022

Ligurian said:
I believe the Antichrist is the little horn/mouth of the first beast.

There is a path that the person follows that leads to his destruction.

1. First emerges in the ends version of the fourth kingdom of the Roman Empire - the EU ten kings - as the little horn.

2. Following Gog/Magog becomes the prince who shall come of Daniel 9:27, into the middle east and Israel following the Gog/Magog event, on the premise of stabilizing the region, i.e. peace keeper.

3. The Jews will think he is the messiah, and the false prophet (second beast of Revelation 13), claiming to be Elijah, anoints him the King of Israel. Now the person is the Antichrist.

4. Three years go by and the person commits the 2Thessalonians2:4 act - revealing himself to be the man of sin. Ending his role as the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name - as the Jews will reject his audacious claim of having achieved God-hood.

5. After being killed for his claim, but brought back to life, the person becomes the beast of Revelation, his kingdom (the first beast of Revelation 13, aspect of being a kingdom as well as a person) will be the kingdom of the ten European kings - as dictator of the EU, and as leader of the western block of nations.

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A consolidated summary with each arrow pointing to his next role:

the little horn > the prince who shall come > the Antichrist > the revealed man of sin > the beast

I suggest that you and everyone utilize the above summary.

Douggg · Aug 3, 2022

Ligurian said:
All 2nd-death people are judged at the white throne, right? So, I don't think the 1st or 2nd beast can be a person.

All people who do not partake in the rapture/resurrection event before the great tribulation begins - or are not part of the first resurrection to take place in the millennium at the start for the martyred tribulation saints - will stand before God in the Great White Throne judgement.

The beast and the false prophet do not stand be before the Great White Throne Judgement because they will have already been cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10.

The 666 number of the (first) beast is the number of a man's name.

Ligurian said:
The 1st beast comes up from the pit, where Ezekiel 32 says the old armies are, which were killed by the sword. I think we're looking at "the walking dead", here.

The person we are talking about is not called the beast until Revelation 13. The reason being is that person is not possessed by the spirit of the beast (an actual beast) now in the bottomless pit, until that person is killed and brought back to life.

That original beast, I believe is the original serpent that Satan employed to deceive Eve, who convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit as well.

Ligurian said:
7 kings/kingdoms, Revelation 17:9-11
= Egypt, Babylon, Assur, Elam, Meshech and Tubal, Edom, Zidonians.
Yet another strangely-accurate coincidence? or not so much?

5 are fallen = Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, Greece...
...matches perfectly, with Meshech and Tubal as Greece.*

7 kings of one kingdom - the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7. All of the same bloodline.

1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. End times little horn person
8. End times little horn person, killed and come back to life as the beast

Douggg · Aug 3, 2022

Ligurian said:
Douggg, are you saying that all of the below is just coincidence?

2nd beast "given to him a mouth speaking great things", Revelation 13:5.
the little horn "a mouth speaking great things", Daniel 7:8.
no 2nd beast with the 4th beast in Daniel.
no little horn in Revelation.
= they're both the same thing, going by different names.

Please reread Revelation 13:5.

Revelation 13:5 is speaking about the first beast. Who will be the little horn person in his final role.

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No little horn terminology in Revelation - because the little horn comes to power before he becomes the rider on the white horse - the Antichrist messiah figure, the first of the seven seals.

That the little horn is destroyed by the Princes of princes in Daniel 8:25 - indicates that the little horn person should be in Revelation.
Which he is - but not under the little horn role and terminology.

1. little horn - leader of the EU ten kings before Gog/Magog. He will be the seventh Julio Claudian bloodline king of the seven kings in Revelation 17:10

(Note: the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event is not in Revelation either. Because the seven seals - cover seven years - which begin when the little horn person becomes the rider on the white horse, the messiah figure.)

2. the prince who shall come - following Gog/Magog into the middle east with a strong army to stabilize the region (and possess all the oil for the EU) as peace keeper.

3. The Jews will think he is the messiah, the rider on the white horse, messiah figure, in Revelation 6:2, the Antichrist. The seven seals begin. And the seven years, as he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant in Daniel 9:27, presumed by the Jews as being the messiah.

4. Three years go by and the person commits the 2Thessalonians2:4 act - revealing himself to be the man of sin. Ending his role as the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name - as the Jews will reject his audacious claim of having achieved God-hood.

5. After being killed for his claim, but brought back to life, the person is possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast which was in the garden of eden. Possessed by that spirit, the person becomes the beast of Revelation.

His kingdom (the first beast of Revelation 13, aspect of being a kingdom as well as a person) will be the kingdom of the ten European kings - as dictator of the EU, and as leader of the western block of nations. He will be the eighth Julio-Claudian bloodline king of the fourth kingdom - the Roman Empire.

He will be a Jew and in his bloodline descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline. He will be into Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) - but that is another topic.

Douggg · Aug 3, 2022

Ligurian said:
Nothing prohibits the 2nd beast from being "a mouth" for the 1st beast. This mouthpiece could very easily be the spokesperson for the 1st beast... in fact, I think that's exactly what we do see happening.

The second beast does not have the mouth of a lion.

The speaking great blasphemies in Revelation 13:5-6 is by the first beast person.
The 42 months in verse 5 is the short space that king 7 of Revelation 17:10 must "continue".

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Daniel 11:36 picks up in the end times when the person has become the beast...

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

He will be a Jew. His fathers - Abraham, Issac, Jacob

Ligurian said:
I don't see much difference between the 1st and 2nd beasts and dragon. They are after all, of one mind... an unholy trinity. So we should be able to see the twisted correlations, right?

Two different persons. Who get their power from the dragon, Satan.

The first beast out of the sea, will be from the nations.

The second beast from the earth, will be from Israel.

Both Jews.

Chris Thomas Shepherd · Aug 4, 2022

Douggg said:
Please reread Revelation 13:5.

Revelation 13:5 is speaking about the first beast. Who will be the little horn person in his final role.

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No little horn terminology in Revelation - because the little horn comes to power before he becomes the rider on the white horse - the Antichrist messiah figure, the first of the seven seals.

That the little horn is destroyed by the Princes of princes in Daniel 8:25 - indicates that the little horn person should be in Revelation.
Which he is - but not under the little horn role and terminology.

1. little horn - leader of the EU ten kings before Gog/Magog. He will be the seventh Julio Claudian bloodline king of the seven kings in Revelation 17:10

(Note: the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event is not in Revelation either. Because the seven seals - cover seven years - which begin when the little horn person becomes the rider on the white horse, the messiah figure.)

2. the prince who shall come - following Gog/Magog into the middle east with a strong army to stabilize the region (and possess all the oil for the EU) as peace keeper.

3. The Jews will think he is the messiah, the rider on the white horse, messiah figure, in Revelation 6:2, the Antichrist. The seven seals begin. And the seven years, as he confirms he Mt. Sinai covenant in Daniel 9:27, presumed by the Jews as being the messiah.

4. Three years go by and the person commits the 2Thessalonians2:4 act - revealing himself to be the man of sin. Ending his role as the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name - as the Jews will reject his audacious claim of having achieved God-hood.

5. After being killed for his claim, but brought back to life, the person is possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast which was in the garden of eden. Possessed by that spirit, the person becomes the beast of Revelation.

His kingdom (the first beast of Revelation 13, aspect of being a kingdom as well as a person) will be the kingdom of the ten European kings - as dictator of the EU, and as leader of the western block of nations. He will be the eighth Julio-Claudian bloodline king of the fourth kingdom - the Roman Empire.

He will be a Jew and in his bloodline descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline. He will be into Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) - but that is another topics.

Interesting take Doug.

I suggest instead that the little horn is the US president. He is the political and military 'head', who will lose the next election which is 'the fatal blow to the head'. He will then win the next election, thereby figuratively resurrecting himself, becoming the leader in the Whitehouse and will receive the power of Satan and become the 'rider on the white horse'.

Douggg · Aug 4, 2022

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:
Interesting take Doug.

I suggest instead that the little horn is the US president. He is the political and military 'head', who will lose the next election which is 'the fatal blow to the head'. He will then win the next election, thereby figuratively resurrecting himself, becoming the leader in the Whitehouse and will receive the power of Satan and become the 'rider on the white horse'.

The little horn comes with a strong army into the pleasant land from the territory once part of Alexander's four break up kingdoms.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So the location he comes from is north and west of Israel. Greece was one of the four break-up kingdoms and is now the eastern boundary of the EU. North and west of Israel.

I don't know that the little horn person will be the leader of the EU, in the same sense as the President of the United States, or Prime Minister of Canada, but he will be over ten EU kings, i.e. leaders as a group. To me, it is looking more and more like a military alliance pact. It is going to be more clear as we move forward.

Anyway, the little horn will not be the President of the United States - wrong geographical location. And the United States is not part of the old Roman Empire fourth kingdom in Daniel 7.

And in Daniel 9:26, the person is from the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary - the Romans.

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There is also a tendency, I think, that many people compare the Antichrist to the rise of Adolph Hitler as a pattern to model their eschatology from. An egotistical politician who turns into ruthless dictator, seeking to rule the world.

That's going to lead to some major wrong conclusions if a person takes that approach.

The way to understand the eschatology involving that person we are talking about is to consider his career - and break it down into the five blocks, or roles, for our analysis.

Which in shorthand form is...

little horn > prince who shall come > the Antichrist > the revealed

man of sin > the beast.

Trivalee · Aug 4, 2022

JohnRemnant said:
Antichrist is just a synonymous name for Satans role of deception. Instead of Christ first come Satan.
I agree one thing that the media will help Satan.

I will clarify that in this is the image of the beast magnified by Education with Media.
The image of a previously failed one world system coming to power with Satan making it all work.
Because they worshiped the dragon. Appearing as a lamb on the surface but the voice is still the dragon and with those lies they do hurt.

As God is the divine Trinity, Satan too, (the copycat that he is) will too, have an evil trinity for himself. They are:

Satan [the dragon that gives power to the beast] Revelation 13:4
Antichrist [the beast] Rev 13:2
The False Prophet Revelation 13:11-12

Satan never took on a discernible physical form in the Bible, he will operate through two human beings whom he has endowed with power. The Antichrist and False Prophet will be flesh and blood just like everyone else. But whereas the AC derives his power directly from Satan, the FP will, in turn, receive his power from the AC.

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