Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

wonderkins said:

Maybe I shouldn't have said you put the 2000 years in there. But isn't that the implication? That 2000 years later and the final week still hasn't happened?

Which part of Daniel 9:24-27 says Jesus is at 3.5 years?

The Bible multiple times says Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. Meaning he is equal and is seated on the throne as king. It's not as if Jesus is sitting on a stool or something next to God waiting to be given the throne.

Two examples of Jesus's kingship:

Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you⁠—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience⁠—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
— 1 Peter 3:21-22

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
— Matthew 28:18

If that isn't a king, I don't know what is.

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Who is denying Jesus is King?

When Jesus is King on earth in Jerusalem is when the 3.5 years will be fulfilled. Jesus was not sitting as Messiah up in heaven during the first century, but was on earth as Messiah for 3.5 years.

Do you think the fulness of the Gentiles will go on into infinity?

Timtofly said:

Who is denying Jesus is King?

When Jesus is King on earth in Jerusalem is when the 3.5 years will be fulfilled. Jesus was not sitting as Messiah up in heaven during the first century, but was on earth as Messiah for 3.5 years.

Do you think the fulness of the Gentiles will go on into infinity?

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Jesus said he was given all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth. Either it was given or it wasn't.

You are living in his kingdom. So many people are waiting for something to happen when it's already here. Jesus is reigning over the earth now.

Jesus ascended as the messiah and king in the first century.

wonderkins said:

Jesus said he was given all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth. Either it was given or it wasn't.

You are living in his kingdom. So many people are waiting for something to happen when it's already here. Jesus is reigning over the earth now.

Jesus ascended as the messiah and king in the first century.

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Nope, because the fulness of the Gentiles is not finished. You keep ignoring that point for some reason.

wonderkins said:

Jesus said he was given all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth. Either it was given or it wasn't.

You are living in his kingdom. So many people are waiting for something to happen when it's already here. Jesus is reigning over the earth now.

Jesus ascended as the messiah and king in the first century.

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wonderkins, Jesus is Lord. And he has been in his kingdom the one given to him in heaven, ever since Jesus left this world.

Jesus has authority over everything being the Lord.

But it is the applying of his authority such that the kings and peoples of the world conform to the will of God, that still awaits in bible prophecy.

So, we Christians still pray the Lord's prayer that the Father's kingdom which He placed Jesus as king over come soon. And that the Father's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

btw, I am not agreeing with Tim's interpretations of Daniel 9, either. All these errors, whether Tim's, CG's, or yours, are rooted in not recognizing that the covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is not the new covenant in Christ, but the Mt. Sinai covenant which Moses made a requirement in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 to be confirmed on a 7 year cycle, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as their's forever.

wonderkins said:

Jesus said he was given all authority has been given to him in heaven and on earth. Either it was given or it wasn't.

You are living in his kingdom. So many people are waiting for something to happen when it's already here. Jesus is reigning over the earth now.

Jesus ascended as the messiah and king in the first century.

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The 2nd Coming of Christ has not happened yet. We know That Reign will be occur when He comes in Glory and Power and exercises Judgement. He said during His first coming that He didn't come to Judge the World.

Deafsilence said:

The 70 weeks prophecy is 10 Jubilees. This means the last year of the 70 Weeks or 490 years is a Jubilee year. And that Jubilee year was 31-32 AD. Jesus was crucified on March 26, 31 AD (day started on March 25th). He was crucified in a Sabbatical year.

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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is the 70th week, all of this verse. Prove that this part---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate--was fulfilled by the end of these 10 Jubilees. If you or anyone else can convincingly do that I will change my view to that of the 70 weeks have been entirely fulfilled, rather than mostly fulfilled.

But instead I guess, just keep denying that all of verse 27 pertains to the 70th week. That's the only way any of you can make your view supposedly work. Let's see you all make your view work if that entire verse pertains to the 70th week, which it does. None of you can though, thus why you have to deny that all of verse 27 pertains to the 70th week. It's called doctrinal bias rather than sticking to the text instead.

Jipsah said:

THe point is that Daniel's 70 weeks doesn't have anything to do with our Lord's return. It's about the end of Temple Judaism.

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You are wrong because the 70 Weeks or Jacob's Trouble will be completed at the end of the age - when the Messiah will return.

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

Just as Rome was the 4th terrible beast of the past, so to the US is the 4th terrible beast of the near future, imo.

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The USA is not in the bible, sorry.

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

I agree that Antiochus IV Epiphanes was an antichrist and with his desecration of the Temple in Jerusalem on December 25th 167 BC (Julian calendar) / Dec 22nd 167 BC Gregorian calendar completed the Abomination of Desolation. However, I believe that the Beast from the Sea (aka the little horn or the Antichrist) mentioned in Revelation will repeat the Abomination of Desolation with the murder of the two witnesses and the desecration of Jesus' sarcophagus in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem between July 4th and July 7th 2072. This will coincide with the abolition of the Holy Communion by the Catholic Church at the behest of the False Prophet on behalf of the Antichrist (who by this time has replaced Jesus, asserting that he is the 2nd coming of Christ).

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I don't know how you reached the conclusion that the future AoD will occur in July 2027. I will not present any possible dates myself or accept anyone given as to when this prophecy will be fulfilled since the scripture expressly say that no one knows.

Also, it is a stretch to believe that the Catholic praxis of Holy Communion is the prophesied cessation of sacrifice.

DavidPT said:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is the 70th week, all of this verse. Prove that this part---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate--was fulfilled by the end of these 10 Jubilees. If you or anyone else can convincingly do that I will change my view to that of the 70 weeks have been entirely fulfilled, rather than mostly fulfilled.

But instead I guess, just keep denying that all of verse 27 pertains to the 70th week. That's the only way any of you can make your view supposedly work. Let's see you all make your view work if that entire verse pertains to the 70th week, which it does. None of you can though, thus why you have to deny that all of verse 27 pertains to the 70th week. It's called doctrinal bias rather than sticking to the text instead.

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The context is that it is set on the last week. In the HALF of that last week shall the sacrifice and the oblation shall cease. But the rest of the verse to make it desolate UNTIL the consummation does not pertain to that week. If it did it wouldn't be 70 weeks. It also would no longer be 10 Jubilees. What people don't realize is that the desolation started in 31 AD and been desolations against the Temple continue - WHY? - because Jesus is purging His Temple and shall return unto it. The destruction of the physical Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD was just a TYPE. That occurred in the 40th year since the crucifixion. But the desolations and purging of of God's House will continue for 40 Jubilees since that time. In the Book of Revelation we see God talking of this purging in the first two chapters where He speaks of His Candlesticks. The lampstand represents the Church. There judgement had already began and is ongoing. The Church is currently IN Tribulation. But GREAT Tribulation is to come.

1Pe_4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Anyone attempting to break up Daniels 70 weeks vision to set the years apart from the space of the 10 Jubilees is in error.

Jipsah said:

We Yanks tend to think everthing is about us, so if we're good we're the best, if we're bad we're the worst, and the rest of the world can just wait in the car.

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A Yank, huh? With your Millwall Football Avatar, I thought you are English.

Trivalee said:

I don't know how you reached the conclusion that the future AoD will occur in July 2027. I will not present any possible dates myself or accept anyone given as to when this prophecy will be fulfilled since the scripture expressly say that no one knows.

Also, it is a stretch to believe that the Catholic praxis of Holy Communion is the prophesied cessation of sacrifice.

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Scripture says no one can 'SEE but the Father'. The verse your quoting is that only the Father can reveal the information. This is why when the disciples ask Jesus in Act1 if He would restore the Kingdom at that time, Jesus tells them it is NOT for them to know and says such dates are in the Father's Authority/Power, but then immediately tells them they will receive Power when the Holy Spirit comes upon them. The Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of the Father. Meaning they would HAVE the Father when they receive the Spirit and by that Spirit OF THE FATHER, they COULD KNOW as the Father reveals it to them.

Christian Gedge said:

@DavidPT and @Chris Thomas Shepherd
Well, Saints Paul, Matthew, Luke, John, Peter and John the Baptist all refer to the start of Daniel’s seventieth week. As for a reference to the entirety of the seventy weeks, we can point to how Jesus alludes to the Seventy Weeks in cryptic language.

The verse I am thinking of is when Peter asked Jesus how often should he forgive, then suggested what he thought was generous "Up to seven times," he posits.

"Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22)​

Jesus answer was cryptic, but I think he was referring to the long era of forgiveness 490 years that God was giving his people Israel until he introduced his New Covenant. In other words, if it was good enough for God to wait seventy times seven, it is good enough for us to forgive seventy times seven too.

Surely Jesus had Daniel in mind when he made that statement.

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Hi Chris, Matt 18:21-22 might have alluded to the 490 years or it could have been merely a coincidence. Either way, it still doesn't prove that the 490 years is completely fulfilled.

Deafsilence said:

Scripture says no one can 'SEE but the Father'. The verse your quoting is that only the Father can reveal the information. This is why when the disciples ask Jesus in Act1 if He would restore the Kingdom at that time, Jesus tells them it is NOT for them to know and says such dates are in the Father's Authority/Power, but then immediately tells them they will receive Power when the Holy Spirit comes upon them. The Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of the Father. Meaning they would HAVE the Father when they receive the Spirit and by that Spirit OF THE FATHER, they COULD KNOW as the Father reveals it to them.

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Really? So, where in scripture did the Spirit of the Father reveal the date of July 2027 to the disciples?

Trivalee said:

Really? So, where in scripture did the Spirit of the Father reveal the date of July 2027 to the disciples?

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He didn't. He revealed to me the date of September 2040 for 2nd Coming of Christ.

Christian Gedge said:

There are six things Daniel said had to be confirmed. The seventy weeks had to:

1. finish the transgression,
2. make an end of sins,
3. make reconciliation for iniquity,
4. bring in everlasting righteousness,
5. seal up vision and prophecy,
6. anoint the Most Holy.​

The first four clauses were achieved in the middle of the 70th week when the curtain of the temple was torn down.

The final two objectives were achieved following the Cross and up to the conclusion
of the 70th week. To ‘seal up vision and prophecy’ is speaking of the authentication and completion of Messiah’s ministry.

To 'anoint the most holy,' (the Church) began at Pentecost, and completed when the Gentiles were grafted in. (AD 33-34) Thus, the ‘most holy’ is indeed a temple, though not a physical building. It is the anointed manifestation of Christ together with His Church.

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Looking at Dan 9 with the view of making an emphatic case that the 70 Weeks are complete, it is imperative that verse 27 is factored in. In this instance, I'm not sure you did that in your summation of its completion above.

Deafsilence said:

He didn't. He revealed to me the date of September 2040 for 2nd Coming of Christ.

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I know he didn't, of course. He appears to be one of those that recourse to conjecture to fill in the gaps regarding things they do not understand.

Deafsilence said:

The context is that it is set on the last week. In the HALF of that last week shall the sacrifice and the oblation shall cease. But the rest of the verse to make it desolate UNTIL the consummation does not pertain to that week. If it did it wouldn't be 70 weeks.

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That's some bad logic, though. Because, obviously, any gap would not be being counted. For example, a 40 hour work week. It is not required that for someone to work 40 hours, they have to do this for 40 hours without any breaks. If someone works 8 hours a day 5 days a week, no one is going to then argue and insist it is not really 40 hours since someone did that with gaps rather than without gaps.

There is zero reason for verse 27 to be involving anything outside of 70th week, the same way there is zero reason verse 25 to be involving anything outside of the first 69 weeks. If the context of verse 27 involves the 70th week, why would some of it not be involving the 70th week? The 70th week obviously has an end, so why don't some of you point out in the text, in verse 27, the part involving the end? The midst of the week is not the end of the 70th week, so where is the end of the 70th week recorded in that verse?

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It also would no longer be 10 Jubilees. What people don't realize is that the desolation started in 31 AD and been desolations against the Temple continue - WHY? - because Jesus is purging His Temple and shall return unto it. The destruction of the physical Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD was just a TYPE. That occurred in the 40th year since the crucifixion. But the desolations and purging of of God's House will continue for 40 Jubilees since that time. In the Book of Revelation we see God talking of this purging in the first two chapters where He speaks of His Candlesticks. The lampstand represents the Church. There judgement had already began and is ongoing. The Church is currently IN Tribulation. But GREAT Tribulation is to come.

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This is interesting. At least you are admitting great tribulation is to come, except I can't figure out how you are getting that to work with your view since great tribulation involves Matthew 24:15-21.

As to me, I simply don't take a lot of these things in a literal sense. Even though I take the final week, or maybe the last half of the week, since I can't make up my mind where to insert the gap, to be future still, it's not going to be involving literal temples in Jerusalem and a literal person, the man of sin, taking up residence in it, and animal sacrificing resuming then being put to end again.

There are other ways to understand some of these things, except most interpreters are taking all of these things in a literal sense when a literal sense is not even meant in all of these things. Some of these things, yes. Just not all of these things. At least pertaining to this in verse 27---, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---that is not to be taken in a literal sense to where it involves a literal temple, a literal city.

DavidPT said:

That's some bad logic, though. Because, obviously, any gap would not be being counted. For example, a 40 hour work week. It is not required that for someone to work 40 hours, they have to do this for 40 hours without any breaks. If someone works 8 hours a day 5 days a week, no one is going to then argue and insist it is not really 40 hours since someone did that with gaps rather than without gaps.

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But we don't call someone that worked 40 hours over a 4 week period as having worked a 40 hour week.

There is zero reason for verse 27 to be involving anything outside of 70th week, the same way there is zero reason verse 25 to be involving anything outside of the first 69 weeks. If the context of verse 27 involves the 70th week, why would some of it not be involving the 70th week? The 70th week obviously has an end, so why don't some of you point out in the text, in verse 27, the part involving the end? The midst of the week is not the end of the 70th week, so where is the end of the 70th week recorded in that verse?

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You break the 10 Jubilees to say that the 70th week is some period in the future. There is no way around that.

Only the parts of verse 27 that pertain to the 70th week are are part of it. Any of this splitting the week into parts where part is here and part in the future is nothing but confusion of which God is not the author of. The entire 70 week prophecy is a CONTIGUOUS event. And all the objects of that 70 weeks as laid out in 9:24 are accomplished in that period.

This is interesting. At least you are admitting great tribulation is to come, except I can't figure out how you are getting that to work with your view since great tribulation involves Matthew 24:15-21.

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Because I don't need Daniel to get to the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation will take place at the beginning of the 6th lunar month in 2040 and last 40 days ending on 10th of the 7th month. So the 1290 starts at the beginning of the 6th month, then 40 days comes to the 10th of the 7th month would would be 1330 days, then 5 days more is 1335 days which is the Feast of Tabernacles.

As to me, I simply don't take a lot of these things in a literal sense. Even though I take the final week, or maybe the last half of the week, since I can't make up my mind where to insert the gap, to be future still, it's not going to be involving literal temples in Jerusalem and a literal person, the man of sin, taking up residence in it, and animal sacrificing resuming then being put to end again.

There are other ways to understand some of these things, except most interpreters are taking all of these things in a literal sense when a literal sense is not even meant in all of these things. Some of these things, yes. Just not all of these things. At least pertaining to this in verse 27---, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---that is not to be taken in a literal sense to where it involves a literal temple, a literal city.

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It will not involve a literal temple - any such events corresponding to the modern state of Israel are just strong delusion. I see people constantly telling me that the Jubilees and this date and that date are based on when the modern state of Israel was founded when the 100 days war was, etc.. That is all bunk. All someone has to do is think Spiritually and LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

How old was Moses when he started his ministry - 80. How old when he died - 120. When did Jesus really lead His congregation - 80th Jubilee, and when does it get purged by - the 120th Jubilee.

Look at Pentecost count and from there to the day of Atonement.

KEEP this in mind. IF you don't count 120 contiguous days from Pentecost to the Day of atonement, then your understanding of how God's calendar works or how to count the Pentecost is in error.