From God's view, does the universe have a beginning and an end?

Will the universe come to an end, end of time.

  • It will come to an end.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • It will not ever end.

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • God will pull it down like a curtain.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • God will sustain it.

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Total voters
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There will be a one thousand year rule of Jesus, but what about the observations of exploding stars, and ours in five billion years and then another 99999999999 Trillion years? Will God finish His purposes for this cosmos?
What I understand is that God made this universe for where He will have many children like Jesus; then, when He has done this, He will end this universe as it is, and resurrect this universe to become His place for Jesus and all of us who will be resurrected to share eternity with Jesus.
 
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What I understand is that God made this universe for where He will have many children like Jesus; then, when He has done this, He will end this universe as it is, and resurrect this universe to become His place for Jesus and all of us who will be resurrected to share eternity with Jesus.
So Romans 8:21, before the fall of Adam, the creation was not fallen and had a degree of glory. Now it is cursed. We can see the glory of old still on Earth and the stars are much the same.

Death will pass away, and in the New Jerusalem but outside there will be the sinners. I think our star will still act as a normal star. The New Jerusalem may endure the flames. And it won't need the remaining dwarf star, by the light of God.

Entropy has been the same from before and after Adam's fall.

I think Heaven and the universe as it is are good for the children of God, there is a Heaven in the universe and another outside it.
 
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Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
 
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Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Yes like a scroll more than a curtain.
And Isaiah 51:6 NSAB 1995
6“Lift up your eyes to the sky,
Then look to the earth beneath;
For the sky will vanish like smoke,
And the earth will wear out like a garment
And its inhabitants will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever,
And My righteousness will not wane.

This compares the endurance of salvation with that of the Universe, the sky and the Earth itself.
 
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Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

When we see falling stars - we are not seeing suns of distant solar systems hitting the Earth. So the falling stars and the disappearance in Is 34 is taken in that context of an observer on Earth.

Is 34 is specifically against planet Earth

Come near, you nations, to hear; and listen, you peoples!
Let the earth and all it contains hear, and the world and all that springs from it.
2 For the Lord’s anger is against all the nations,
And His wrath against all their armies.
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has turned them over to slaughter.
3 So their slain will be thrown out,
And their corpses will give off their stench,
And the mountains will be drenched with their blood.
4 And all the heavenly lights will wear away,
And the sky will be rolled up like a scroll;
All its lights will also wither away
As a leaf withers from the vine,
Or as one withers from the fig tree

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It is not against all life beyond Earth.

Is 34

8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
A year of retribution for the cause of Zion.
9 Its streams will be turned into pitch,
And its loose earth into brimstone,
And its land will become burning pitch.
10 It will not be extinguished night or day;
Its smoke will go up forever.
From generation to generation it will be desolate;
None will pass through it forever and ever.
11 But pelican and hedgehog will possess it,
And owl and raven will dwell in it;


17 He has cast the lot for them,
And His hand has divided it to them by the measuring line.
They shall possess it forever;
From generation to generation they will dwell in it.
 
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When we see falling stars - we are not seeing suns of distant solar systems hitting the Earth. So the falling stars and the disappearance in Is 34 is taken in that context of an observer on Earth.

Is 34 is specifically against planet Earth

Come near, you nations, to hear; and listen, you peoples!
Let the earth and all it contains hear, and the world and all that springs from it.
2 For the Lord’s anger is against all the nations,
And His wrath against all their armies.
He has utterly destroyed them,
He has turned them over to slaughter.
3 So their slain will be thrown out,
And their corpses will give off their stench,
And the mountains will be drenched with their blood.
4 And all the heavenly lights will wear away,
And the sky will be rolled up like a scroll;
All its lights will also wither away
As a leaf withers from the vine,
Or as one withers from the fig tree

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It is not against all life beyond Earth.

Is 34

8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
A year of retribution for the cause of Zion.
9 Its streams will be turned into pitch,
And its loose earth into brimstone,
And its land will become burning pitch.
10 It will not be extinguished night or day;
Its smoke will go up forever.
From generation to generation it will be desolate;
None will pass through it forever and ever.
11 But pelican and hedgehog will possess it,
And owl and raven will dwell in it;


17 He has cast the lot for them,
And His hand has divided it to them by the measuring line.
They shall possess it forever;
From generation to generation they will dwell in it.
Eventually all the stars will fall into the black holes and they may all fall into each other, leaving no stars, planets or lights. But the stars can figuratively mean something else, like angels or saints...

God may roll up the scroll into a new function, ending it or replace the curtain, or open the curtain, or roll it up. When the curtain is black.
 
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Eventually all the stars will fall into the black holes and they may all fall into each other, leaving no stars, planets or lights. But the stars can figuratively mean something else, like angels or saints...

God may roll up the scroll into a new function, ending it or replace the curtain, or open the curtain, or roll it up. When the curtain is black.
Certainly there is a lot of speculation about what "may" happen.

But there are things we know for dead certain -

"The stars falling " do not refer to giant suns smashing into Earth" . IT merely refers to what we sometimes call a shooting start or a falling star. But if it were to be taken literally as a giant sun smashing into Earth - then it would not be "stars falling" it wold be "star fell".

We know in Rev 20 and 21 that Earth becomes HQ for the universe with God's city moving from heaven to Earth. If the Earth moves to that position faster than the speed of light - will could appear to an observer on Earth like the stars vanish.
 
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