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Myself, I see that as the apostles exercising their authority of binding and loosing. Also of declaring whose sins are forgiven or retained.
The apostles kept the Sabbath and were commanded to observe and teach others the things that Jesus commanded them. Matthew 28:20

Thankfully God gives us a shield through His Word so we will not be deceived, because we are warned the devil deceives the whole world and even the elect if allowed.

Isaiah 8:20 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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I don't see how there can be any confusion on that issue, especially when the other commandments are based on the five principles of the Ten Commandments.

All of the commandments are based on the two greatest commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. And love others as yourself.
 
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God gave laws, commandments statues, judgments and ordinances, not all on Mt Sinai. As I stated now probably a few times there are more laws than the Ten Commandments, but only the Ten Commandments was spoken by God, written by the finger of God on stone for its eternal nature and only the Ten Commandments are in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple that is also revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19

And this still doesn’t tell us what commandments were written on the tablets.
 
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Honor thy father and mother is one of Ten Commandments because God said so right in His Commandments and Jesus repeated it in Matthew 15:3-9 Exodus 20 and it is the first commandment with a promise Exodus 20:12 Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

Again zero evidence that this was written on the tablets. My point is that you keep claiming that the Sabbath commandment was written on the stones by God’s finger but the scriptures NEVER ACTUALLY SAY THAT. Your assuming it was one of the 10 commandments written on the tablets but there’s no way of knowing that for certain so it’s a hunch not a doctrine.
 
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And this still doesn’t tell us what commandments were written on the tablets.

Exodus 31:18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

All found in Exodus 20

My suggestion because you keep making claims that have been proved now a few times that are not supported by scripture to prayerfully ask God for His guidance on His Ten Commandments and Sabbath commandment. He cannot not guide with a harden heart, but when we are willing to allow the Spirit to lead us in all Truth wherever that is and come to Him with an open heart yearning for His Truth through His holy scriptures.
 
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Again zero evidence that this was written on the tablets. My point is that you keep claiming that the Sabbath commandment was written on the stones by God’s finger but the scriptures NEVER ACTUALLY SAY THAT. Your assuming it was one of the 10 commandments written on the tablets but there’s no way of knowing that for certain so it’s a hunch not a doctrine.

This is what my bible says:

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New King James Version

Sad you would think God is going to give His commandments that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 that no one knows what they are. That is not a God of love and this is a doctrine that has no light and another deception that we can’t identify the Ten Commandments, God’s holy law all because of one commandment, the holy day of the Lord thy God that God literally spelling it out for us. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13

You’re free to believe what you want and no amount of scripture will convince you otherwise.

Take care.
 
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I'm sorry, if this makes you deal with the Sabbath commandment which seems to be why people would rather discard all of the Ten Commandments all to avoid this one commandment- see the power of the Sabbath commandment- God said those who hallow it is a sign between Him and His people. Ezekiel 20:20, Ezekiel 20:12 God said His Sabbath is holy and blessed and we should remember it to keep it holy, Exodus 20:8-11 so I am choosing to believe God's will for us, as I don’t think we should try to make God’s Word fit around our lifestyle, but we conform to His.

Again your quoting Old Testament verses as if they overrule the New Testament verses pertaining to the Sabbath. And again your implying that you who keep the sabbath are holier than those that don’t. My holiness comes from Christ not my own doing.

“And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Holy, blameless, and beyond reproach means that no one is holier than another. The atonement of Christ fully cleanses everyone alike. Unblemished is unblemished.
 
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Again your quoting Old Testament verses as if they overrule the New Testament verses pertaining to the Sabbath. And again your implying that you who keep the sabbath are holier than those that don’t. My holiness comes from Christ not my own doing.

“And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Holy, blameless, and beyond reproach means that no one is holier than another. The atonement of Christ fully cleanses everyone alike. Unblemished is unblemished.

The New Testament does not delete the Old Testament so whoever taught this to you is leading you down the wrong path. Jesus and the disciples quoted and taught from the Old Testament. God instead of deleting His laws in the New Covenant/New Testament wrote them in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 which of course include the commandments of God and the Sabbath that Jesus and the disciples kept and will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

This has already been addressed here: Saturday or Sunday Church?

We don’t receive the righteousness of God but doing what we want. All righteous comes from God. We can’t sanctify ourselves, all sanctification comes from God. When we decide not to follow God’s Word, it means one is trying to sanctify themselves instead of trusting in Christ for His righteousness by obeying what He asks through faith and love.
 
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This is what my bible says:

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New King James Version

Sad you would think God is going to give His commandments that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 that no one knows what they are. That is not a God of love and this is a doctrine that has no light and another deception that we can’t identify the Ten Commandments, God’s holy law all because of one commandment, the holy day of the Lord thy God that God literally spelling it out for us. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13

You’re free to believe what you want and no amount of scripture will convince you otherwise.

Take care.

Now your creating your own strawman and proceeding to knock it down as if that awards you some sort of victory in this discussion but it doesn’t because it’s based on a false narrative you yourself fabricated. Please quote exactly where I said that we would not know God’s commandments or anything to that effect. I never said such a thing, I said we don’t know what commandments were written on the stone tablets. That doesn’t mean that we can’t read the scriptures and learn the commandments of God.
 
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The New Testament does not delete the Old Testament so whoever taught this to you is leading you down the wrong path

It does and it happened in Acts 15. That is unless of course you still believe that circumcision of the foreskin is still a requirement for entering into God’s covenant. Or that we still need to offer sin offerings for forgiveness of our sins.
 
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The New Testament does not delete the Old Testament so whoever taught this to you is leading you down the wrong path. Jesus and the disciples quoted and taught from the Old Testament. God instead of deleting His laws in the New Covenant/New Testament wrote them in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 which of course include the commandments of God and the Sabbath that Jesus and the disciples kept and will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

This has already been addressed here: Saturday or Sunday Church?

We don’t receive the righteousness of God but doing what we want. All righteous comes from God. We can’t sanctify ourselves, all sanctification comes from God. When we decide not to follow God’s Word, it means one is trying to sanctify themselves instead of trusting in Christ for His righteousness by obeying what He asks through faith and love.

So you still observe the Passover as well? God commanded that it should be observed for all generations.
 
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Again zero evidence that this was written on the tablets. My point is that you keep claiming that the Sabbath commandment was written on the stones by God’s finger but the scriptures NEVER ACTUALLY SAY THAT. Your assuming it was one of the 10 commandments written on the tablets but there’s no way of knowing that for certain so it’s a hunch not a doctrine.

Glad you agree the Ten Commandments is found in Exodus 20

The first ones were broke by Moses and God rewrote them exactly as the first.

Deuteronomy 10:4
And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lordhad spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
 
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The New Testament does not delete the Old Testament so whoever taught this to you is leading you down the wrong path. Jesus and the disciples quoted and taught from the Old Testament. God instead of deleting His laws in the New Covenant/New Testament wrote them in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10 which of course include the commandments of God and the Sabbath that Jesus and the disciples kept and will continue to be the Lords chosen day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3

This has already been addressed here: Saturday or Sunday Church?

We don’t receive the righteousness of God but doing what we want. All righteous comes from God. We can’t sanctify ourselves, all sanctification comes from God. When we decide not to follow God’s Word, it means one is trying to sanctify themselves instead of trusting in Christ for His righteousness by obeying what He asks through faith and love.

If the New Testament didn’t change the Old Testament then there is no New Covenant and Christ accomplished nothing because we’re still under the same Old Covenant laws.
 
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It does and it happened in Acts 15. That is unless of course you still believe that circumcision of the foreskin is still a requirement for entering into God’s covenant. Or that we still need to offer sin offerings for forgiveness of our sins.
There is nothing in Acts 15 thats says the Sabbath commandment ended and you are going in circles on scriptures that have been addressed that you have not been responsive to.

I’m going to bow out for now and I pray the scriptures shared will be helpful if not today, then someday.


God bless.
 
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Glad you agree the Ten Commandments is found in Exodus 20

The first ones were broke by Moses and God rewrote them exactly as the first.

Deuteronomy 10:4
And He (god) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lordhad spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.

Which Ten Commandments? How many commandments were spoken to Moses on Mt Sinai? What’s it like 50 or so?
 
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Which Ten Commandments? How many commandments were spoken to Moses on Mt Sinai? What’s it like 50 or so?
The scriptures are there and I pray for your understanding.
 
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There is nothing in Acts 15 thats says the Sabbath commandment ended and you are going in circles on scriptures that have been addressed that you have not been responsive to.

I’m going to bow out for now and I pray the scriptures shared will be helpful if not today, then someday.


God bless.

Oh now your going to change the subject, you said the New Testament doesn’t delete the Old Testament. Everyone knows that circumcision was abolished in Acts 15 and Christ’s sacrifice abolished sin offerings. Both of those were deleted.
 
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If the New Testament didn’t change the Old Testament then there is no New Covenant and Christ accomplished nothing because we’re still under the same Old Covenant laws.
You don’t seem to understand the New Covenant, Christ accomplished so much from His sacrifice but what He did not do is end all the laws as shown Hebrews 8:10 so we can sin freely, otherwise we would not need Grace and we would all be lost because we would have no need for a Savior. I am not the one who seems to be able to help, so I pray for your understanding.
 
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This is what I believe in summary.

The living Law was given to Abraham by the Holy Spirit revealing the Gospel of righteousness by faith.

The written Law came later through Moses to bring conviction of sin.

The Old Covenant was binding on the Nation of Israel.

The New Covenant through the seed of Abraham (Jesus) brought the Law of the Spirit of life which is salvation by faith not works.

Abraham went out not knowing where he was going. We walk by faith and not by sight.

The Old Covenant ceased when the temple veil was ripped by God who desecrated the temple and removed the priestly authority which was now in Christ upon the priesthood of all believers.

The New Covenant has better promises and is the very voice of Jesus guiding us by His living Law in our hearts.

We are then no longer under the written Law but under grace yet working out our own salvation with fear and trembling as the indwelling Spirit of the Fear of the Lord constrains us to His Living Law.

There are spirits behind many on CF attempting to bind believers back to the obligations entered into by Israel under what is now a dead covenant.

In Romans 3:21-22, the only way to become righteous that is testified about in the Written Law is through faith in Christ, so that is not a distinction. Sin is acting against God's righteousness, so the living law revealing a Gospel of righteousness by faith also brings conviction of sin.

In Jeremiah 31:31, the New Covenant is only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, and while the Covenant is based on better promises and has a superior mediate, it does not involve following better laws, but rather it still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33). Changing the medium upon which God is written from stone to our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs us to do, such as the command to honor our parents has the same content written on stone as it does written on our hearts. While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same Written Law for how to act in accordance with His nature. For example, it was against God's righteousness to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant, during it, it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, and if that were to ever change then God's righteousness would not be eternal. I have never suggested that we should come under the Mosaic Covenant, but have been speaking about the way to live under the New Covenant.

In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Written Law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this is what it means to be under grace, and this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, not by works. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God and he was a righteous man, so he was declared righteous by grace through faith, along with Abraham and everyone else, so God had no need to provide an alternate and unobtainable means of becoming righteous by earning it through our works as a wage, so that was never the goal of the law. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds the Written Law, and in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Written Law, so obedience to it is the way to live by faith.

In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Written Law. In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Written Law with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Law of the Spirit of Life with the Written Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to obey the Written Law, so everything that you said about the Living Law is equally true of the Written Law, so you are creating an artificial division where there is none.
 
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