If Amils are right and we are in the Millennium "Kingdom" now, what other verses back this up?

Timtofly said:

Now all you have to do is convince God, He is wrong.

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Rather, it's those Jews who need to convince God that they're right.

The point is not that "they" can figure it all out. It is that God will figure it all out.

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Not according to scripture.
To follow what Moses commanded, Jews *must* be able to prove their genealogy.

Do you know where the priests are today who will identify them? Do you know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezekiel 2:63)? Of course you don't.

But, Todays Jews don't really care about that scriptural command, for they Don't follwow Moses at all, which they MUST do, in order to be reckoned as Jews of Scripture.

Timtofly said:

Now all you have to do is convince God, He is wrong.

The point is not that "they" can figure it all out. It is that God will figure it all out.

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God, thru the Bible tells us very plainly who a true Jew is:
Romans 2:29 ....spiritually circumcised and commended by God; not by men.
In other words: a person who believes in God, accepts Jesus and keeps the Commandments.

The wannabe Jews, currently occupying a small part of the holy land are soon to be uprooted and be gone. Jeremiah 12:14

keras said:

God, thru the Bible tells us very plainly who a true Jew is:
Romans 2:29 ....spiritually circumcised and commended by God; not by men.
In other words: a person who believes in God, accepts Jesus and keeps the Commandments.

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It's nice to be able to agree with you on something for once. Yes, that is very plainly taught as that scripture you quoted indicates. It's because of the Romans 2:28-29 passage that I chose this username. So many don't understand that nationality and ethnicity mean nothing now. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. All who are in Christ are spiritual Jews who have been "spiritually circumcised and commended by God".

parousia70 said:

Rather, it's those Jews who need to convince God that they're right.



Not according to scripture.
To follow what Moses commanded, Jews *must* be able to prove their genealogy.

Do you know where the priests are today who will identify them? Do you know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezekiel 2:63)? Of course you don't.

But, Todays Jews don't really care about that scriptural command, for they Don't follwow Moses at all, which they MUST do, in order to be reckoned as Jews of Scripture.

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Why are you leaving it up to humans? It is God declaring what God will do.

Spiritual Jew said:

It's nice to be able to agree with you on something for once. Yes, that is very plainly taught as that scripture you quoted indicates. It's because of the Romans 2:28-29 passage that I chose this username. So many don't understand that nationality and ethnicity mean nothing now. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. All who are in Christ are spiritual Jews who have been "spiritually circumcised and commended by God".

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That truth is the first step in correcting the wrong beliefs of many Christians.

It follows that God is not going to redeem and forgive anyone who is only fleshly circumcised and are indicted by God for their rejection of Jesus. Especially a nation; people group; who claim on their own behalf; to be Chosen of God.
Not only does the Bible NOT tell of a general Jewish redemption, it tells in over 20 Prophesies; of their virtual demise and only a remnant will survive.

The common Church teaching of the Jews going thru the Great Tribulation and then, finally: accepting Messiah Jesus, is false and is taught to support the Satanic lie of the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church before the GT.

Timtofly said:

Why are you leaving it up to humans? It is God declaring what God will do.

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God Requires Human Jews Prove their Lineage.

Why do you teach they should disregard God's Command?

parousia70 said:

God Requires Human Jews Prove their Lineage.

Why do you teach they should disregard God's Command?

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I assume this is found somewhere in the Bible?

I don't teach anything about the Jews. If you mean Israel, you need to be more specific on your point. Do you know all the sheep, by name, and all the goats, by name, in every Nation?

keras said:

As I have to constantly repeat: 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about what happens AFTER the GWT Judgment and into Eternity. Everybody whose names are found in the Book of Like, will receive a spiritual, immortal body.
It is false teaching to say that happens to anyone before then.

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If you say so. I know you are fixated on this false doctrine, so may God help you to discern the truth.

parousia70 said:

If it's "wrong as can be" then it should be easy to prove, yet no one can.

There is no Jew alive today that can trace His or Her lineage to even one single pre desolation Hebrew person.
Not even one.

Which of these Jews do you believe can prove they are an "ethnic Jew"?

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I'll save you the trouble.
Not even one.

The hitch in your giddyup is that, factually, Israel is not "Back" in the hands of the Jews of the Bible.

Israel is, largely but not totally, in the hands of Talmudic Jews, a multi ethnic group of people who's religion was invented by men hundreds of years AFTER 70AD. They don't follow Moses, nor do they have any more Abrahamic/Jacobian Blood than you or I. They have no relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew people of Scripture. Not Genetically, Not Religiously, Not Politically.

The fact that there is a modern day, multi-ethnic secular Democracy in the Middle east called Israel does not = Biblical Jews back in the Land.

Apparently, anyone from any ethnic, religious and political background can claim "we're the Jews and we're back in the land", and Dispensational Christianity simply says "Goodie!, if you say so, we believe it. No proof necessary."

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This is just the tripe promoted by those who are ignorant of God's plan. I don't deny the fact that in recent times, proselytes have joined ethnic Jews, but it's absolute rubbish to claim that the present inhabitants of Israel are not real Jews.

Perhaps, the 6 million murdered by the Nazis are not Jews too?

Some arguments are worth pursuing, but this just isn't worth it because if the present-day Jews in Israel are not who they say they are, then God lied by allowing imposters to occupy the land despite telling Ezekiel that the dry bones shall rise again.

Ezek 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

From 70 AD to 1948, Israel was described as "dry bones" as they were stateless. But God promised to gather them back and prosper them again. The Prophet Ezekiel lived when Israel was divided into two - Israel and Judah. But note what God told him in verse 11 "these are the whole house of Israel". God didn't tell Ezekiel that only Judah or Israel will return, but the whole of Israel as they were under David.

keras said:

As I have to constantly repeat: 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about what happens AFTER the GWT Judgment and into Eternity. Everybody whose names are found in the Book of Like, will receive a spiritual, immortal body.
It is false teaching to say that happens to anyone before then.

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1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Verse 52 indicates this change happens the moment the dead are raised, that it happens in the twinkling of an eye. Except you have it meaning after they have been raised then judged first, even this contradicting that the moment they are raised, it is in a twinkling of an that they are changed. Which then means if you are correct, they are already in incorruptable bodies before they are judged first according to verse 52. Except you insist it is after they are judged being what 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 is involving.

Maybe you shouldn't claim something as a false teaching by others when what you are claiming is the real false teaching here. One of my pet peeves in life is when one is always pointing fingers at others, as if none of those things can ever apply to them as well.

Timtofly said:

Now all you have to do is convince God, He is wrong.

The point is not that "they" can figure it all out. It is that God will figure it all out.

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Add this as well, if they believe the Jews in Israel aren't ethnic Jews, then the 6 million killed by Hitler are not Jews also, but a confused bunch who didn't know who they are - who just pretended to be Jews and died for it.

Trivalee said:

Add this as well, if they believe the Jews in Israel aren't ethnic Jews, then the 6 million killed by Hitler are not Jews also, but a confused bunch who didn't know who they are - who just pretended to be Jews and died for it.

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Exactly! And that's one thing that alarms me about someone like Keras, that he too might have this mindset since he thinks the Jews currently in the promised land need to be evicted and will be evicted because God is going to evict them.

DavidPT said:

Exactly! And that's one thing that alarms me about someone like Keras, that he too might have this mindset since he thinks the Jews currently in the promised land need to be evicted and will be evicted because God is going to evict them.

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Obviously you haven't read the many Prophesies about the fate of Judah.
God will evict them, Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 2:4-5, + and only a remnant will survive; Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27, Isaiah 22:14

Trivalee said:

If you say so. I know you are fixated on this false doctrine, so may God help you to discern the truth.

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So your belief of a 'rapture to heaven', is the truth? Why then does the Bible say we must endure until the end: Matthew 24:13, Revelation 13:10, Hebrews 10:36

You are another that I should report for personal accusations. But I know how frustrating it must be to be unable to prove your fanciful beliefs.

DavidPT said:

Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

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We are very clearly told when Death will be conquered. Revelation 21:4
1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is indisputably a prophecy about what happens after the GWT Judgment.

DavidPT said:

Maybe you shouldn't claim something as a false teaching by others when what you are claiming is the real false teaching here.

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This is a really rude and disgusting comment. God will be hold you accountable for accusing the brethren.
If you disagree with my promotion of what the Prophets wrote, then provide scriptural proof of error.
Let us see your analysis of Jeremiah 12:14-17 What does Jeremiah -NOT me; say about Judah, the Jews?