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Because in many instances, I have done a lot of study for which I have drawn conclusions.
My book summarizes these studies and their outcomes. I do not wish to duplicate that work here.
 
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I was moved to post this because it appears many people do not know what The Bible teaches about The Two Witnesses. I read many threads and comments from people through the years and this appears to be the case for what's taught in The Bible.

So this is my attempt to clarify some scriptures, with The Truth of what The Bible actually says about this in short order.

It is important to carefully question ourselves before we conclude a thing. A believer should always ask themselves, is what this man said, written in Gods word, and understood?
Or, is what the man says, something he made up. Is he confused?

We should question not only ourselves, but the actual churches that produce doctrine. Because most churches today do not teach The Bible properly.
They teach their own words. This is revealed by Christ Himself, as it was the first paramount warning given in Matthew 24, to beware no man, deceive you. And another place written in Revelation, only two, of the seven churches He addressed had no fault. The rest failed. For many shall say I am of Christ, a Christian, and deceive many. Mark 13, Matthew 24, Luke 21.

Now, concerning what The Bible actually teaches about The Two Witnesses, they are most definitely two named individuals. Moses and Elijah. They are The Two Witnesses.

This is very simple. God is very blunt about it. There is no guesswork allowed, nor room for choice. God said it. That is how it will be.

They are the only two that appeared with Christ, in the NT.
They are the only two mentioned in prophecy concerning that God will send during The Deception of Satan to rally His Elect.

Luke :
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

( So verse 35 God did not say, hear man. He said Hear Christ! )


Moses and Elijah, prophecy concerning them is written in The OT, and The NT.

Malachi
Chapter 4

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.


Revelation 11 :


3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

These Miracles, of no rain, and water to blood, and fire, where performed by God, through only two people in The Bible. Moses and Elijah.

James 5:17
“Elias (Elijah) was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.”


1 Kings 18:36
“And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.”

37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

1 Kings Chapter 17

1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
2 And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
3 Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
4 And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.


Now who is teaching John this prophecy in Revelation?

Revelation 1:


1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


Matthew 28:18




“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”



The Lord of all heaven and earth, Moses, and Elijah, stood before.
Revelation 11:
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Zechariah 4:11
“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?”

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


And we all know, who God turned the sea red by, Moses.

Exodus 7:20
And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.”


A interesting note in this is God never allowed, any man to burry Moses. To this day, Satan inquires about the burial location of Moses. As Jude kjv, reports.
And Elijah, was seen taken by God into a whirling cloud.

These two will God send before the great and terrible day The Lord come. And He shall come at The Last Trump. Revelation 11.
Moses and Elijah will appear maybe two months before, Satan arrives claiming to be Christ...

God will, not maybe, but emphatically, will be sending Satan to see who has been listening to His word. And who has been listening to mankind and their words. Believer or not so called. And again at the end of The Lords Day ( Revelation 20 ) Satan will be loosed for a short space to once again put the people to the test, to sift the fakes from the reals.

So be informed ahead of time that traditions of men, will not save you. And will not weather the storm God will send to rend it. Ezekiel 13 kjv.

When this question was posed to Christ, concerning John The Baptist, did He say John was Elijah? The answer was No. John said no. Christ gave a Condition. "If" They receive Johns Message, and Receive Christ, then, and only then This is Elijah. They beheaded John The Baptist, and Crucified Christ. So it would not be. Instead, the curse is coming and Elijah and Moses will come.

I concur but with the addition that from the going out of the prophecy, Elijah will come twice.

First coming of Elijah:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The passage above refers to an individual - Elijah the prophet (single tense), ie not two people as in the 2Ws. Jesus confirmed that Elijah has already come as John the Baptist, but the ignorant Jews did not recognize him.

Matt 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Remember that John the Baptist came to call Israel to repentance exactly as was prophesied in Malachi 4:6.

Second Coming:

Elijah will also come again as one of the 2Ws.
 
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Because in many instances, I have done a lot of study for which I have drawn conclusions.
My book summarizes these studies and their outcomes. I do not wish to duplicate that work here.

It is a little disappointing that having cleared a platform for you to share you are unwilling to discuss your position which if robust will stand.
 
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Well, two men in sackcloth are probably not technologically savvy (on purpose). Their prophecizing may be limited to local knowledge (in and around Jerusalem). They may also limit the content of their prophecies to the public.

This would seem to be at odds with the intended impact of their ministry.

I don't see an Elijah style ministry being kept secret for long.
 
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They are not resurrected saints, they never died, scripture says they were taken into heaven alive
Elijah is prophesied to come before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes. Malachi 4:5 Which will be the Sixth Seal world changing event.
How can he also be one of the two Witnesses? He has another task.
So you are calling most of the Christians on earth idolators for revering the true tomb of Yeshua...nice...
I have been into the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. I watched while crowds of people slobbered and cried over the slab of marble, near the entrance.
The Garden Tomb is a much more likely place where Jesus was buried. But He is not there, so why revere such places?
 
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I disagree, the two Witnesses will be just 2 godly human men. Who will be killed as mortals.

If Moses and Elijah appear, they must be spiritual beings, unable to be killed.
Sorry, but both Moses and Elijah were brought up to heaven while they were both still alive, (Elijah in a chariot, and Moses, was brought to heaven just before the 12 Tribes entered the Promised Land) that they might be spared by God for a future time ( as the two prophets who were sent to Jerusalem and who testified to the Jews about Jesus, and be recognized by them).
So in order to satisfy tradition, both Moses and Elijah are sent by God to testify to The Jews who are resident in Jerusalem at the appointed time.
But sadly, after they both testified, both prophets are killed by the Jews who heard them, and were resident in Jerusalem at that time.
 
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Because in many instances, I have done a lot of study for which I have drawn conclusions.
My book summarizes these studies and their outcomes. I do not wish to duplicate that work here.
Very Reasonable, thank you.
 
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This would seem to be at odds with the intended impact of their ministry.

I don't see an Elijah style ministry being kept secret for long.
But that depends on how much influence Satan has on the Nightly News, and also on God's plans.
The reason to have sent Elijah was for 1. Recognition.
2. Accountability.
 
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I would have thought the impact of such a ministry will be very public, not closet prophets...

Also the power of nightly news is waning under the ability to record and broadcast on the spot incidents via social media.
Thank you for your post, Carl.
20 years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed that the appearance and words of the Witnesses would have been greeted with pure joy.
But these days, I think that the opposition is stronger than we had imagined back then.
These days, unfortunately, the unimaginable is seen and hailed on the nightly news.
But not to worry, God has ways of getting the news out, and courageous, religious people, who will speak.
God's will shall prevail.
 
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Thank you for your post, Carl.
20 years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed that the appearance and words of the Witnesses would have been greeted with pure joy.
But these days, I think that the opposition is stronger than we had imagined back then.
These days, unfortunately, the unimaginable is seen and hailed on the nightly news.
But not to worry, God has ways of getting the news out, and courageous, religious people, who will speak.
God's will shall prevail.

When Peter spoke at Pentecost thousands converted in one day.

When they speak - do you expect similar responses ???
 
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Instead, the curse is coming and Elijah and Moses will come.

Moses and Elijah?

The Book of Revelation makes many parallels with the Old Testament, but their use is allegorical. Sodom and Egypt, for example, represents Jerusalem (v. 11:8). The Two Witnesses will resemble Moses and Elijah, but nowhere does it say that it will be them. If you cross-reference the lampstands, there were two churches mentioned in the opening of the book that were faithful during trying times.
 
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...even if it takes martyrs to get His Word to those who need to see and hear the promises of God.
The closer we get to The End, the more martyrs we will see.
May God bless them
 
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I concur but with the addition that from the going out of the prophecy, Elijah will come twice.

First coming of Elijah:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The passage above refers to an individual - Elijah the prophet (single tense), ie not two people as in the 2Ws. Jesus confirmed that Elijah has already come as John the Baptist, but the ignorant Jews did not recognize him.

Matt 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Remember that John the Baptist came to call Israel to repentance exactly as was prophesied in Malachi 4:6.

Second Coming:

Elijah will also come again as one of the 2Ws.

We agree Elijah will be sent. However I and many Christians who read these scripture should not ignore the passages Concerning Moses. Concerning John we have to factor in All Christ taught about John the Baptist.
You've not factored into the question the full teaching from scriptures.
John said he was not Elijah. Christ said He was not Elijah. If we were to conclude a thing on this without that fact, then we are wrong. I've mentioned these scriptures In the original post. But it seems most people are unwilling and unable to address them. Its not a luxury nor a healthy choice, to ignore Gods words. The full context must be read. The Apostles knew, He spoke of John. Christ knew He spoke of The Spirit of Elijah, the message he bare. Not that John was Elijah.

When reading Matthew, you have to back up to chapter 11.

John 1:21
“And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”

Christ also confirms He taught this.

Matthew Chapter 11
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This condition Christ set was not met by the people. So John was not Elijah, but taught that message.

The Disciples themselves did not even recognize that John The Baptist was sent as the forerunner for Messiah, until much later. The people themselves beheaded John The Baptist and crucified Christ. So there would be a second advent. And Elijah himself and Moses will be sent as written.


Mark 1:
1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Isaiah Chapter 40 :
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


John The Baptist would ask Christ, is this the first advent, or do we look for another? Much of this is brought to the forefront from scriptures. In the OP I pointed to many of them.


Matthew 11:

11 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.



Christ taught this as the first advent, and then there would be another. Because He knew, the people would not accept Him. And Satan in this would seal his own fate. ( Hebrews 2:14 kjv )

Luke 4:
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


( So Christ told John The Baptist, Gods word says, there would be another. )


Isaiah
Chapter 61

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
 
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Moses and Elijah?

The Book of Revelation makes many parallels with the Old Testament, but their use is allegorical. Sodom and Egypt, for example, represents Jerusalem (v. 11:8). The Two Witnesses will resemble Moses and Elijah, but nowhere does it say that it will be them. If you cross-reference the lampstands, there were two churches mentioned in the opening of the book that were faithful during trying times.


The language to teach prophecy may use many figures of speech, but we know what He ( The Lord Christ ) accomplishes at His return taught in Revelation is not a figure. It is the reality the figures convey. Christ is named in scriptures and performing. We don't question that this is Christ who will do this. He is named. Likewise, Moses and Elijah are named by name. The added emphasis of the miracles which are attributed to them having taken part in, is not allegory but documented Biblical History.
Christ is named in Revelation as Returning to This earth. Moses and Elijah walked with Christ. The OT even declare this if understood.

The problem most have is they don't know when to draw the line between figures of speech and recognizing the actual reality and understanding the figures are teaching. Doctrines are made from the figures, and not the actual teachings they're meant to relay.
 
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We agree Elijah will be sent. However I and many Christians who read these scripture should not ignore the passages Concerning Moses. Concerning John we have to factor in All Christ taught about John the Baptist.
You've not factored into the question the full teaching from scriptures.
John said he was not Elijah. Christ said He was not Elijah. If we were to conclude a thing on this without that fact, then we are wrong. I've mentioned these scriptures In the original post. But it seems most people are unwilling and unable to address them. Its not a luxury nor a healthy choice, to ignore Gods words. The full context must be read. The Apostles knew, He spoke of John. Christ knew He spoke of The Spirit of Elijah, the message he bare. Not that John was Elijah.

When reading Matthew, you have to back up to chapter 11.

John 1:21
“And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”

Christ also confirms He taught this.

Matthew Chapter 11
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This condition Christ set was not met by the people. So John was not Elijah, but taught that message.

The Disciples themselves did not even recognize that John The Baptist was sent as the forerunner for Messiah, until much later. The people themselves beheaded John The Baptist and crucified Christ. So there would be a second advent. And Elijah himself and Moses will be sent as written.


Mark 1:
1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Isaiah Chapter 40 :
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


John The Baptist would ask Christ, is this the first advent, or do we look for another? Much of this is brought to the forefront from scriptures. In the OP I pointed to many of them.


Matthew 11:

11 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.



Christ taught this as the first advent, and then there would be another. Because He knew, the people would not accept Him. And Satan in this would seal his own fate. ( Hebrews 2:14 kjv )

Luke 4:
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


( So Christ told John The Baptist, Gods word says, there would be another. )


Isaiah
Chapter 61

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
BINGO!
That's absolutely right on, but I know that many of those to whom He comes will not see it in that way.
And this is slowly becoming apparent.
More than that I dare not say.
But the message Christ brings is for those who are lost, and not for those who are already perfect.
 
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That's absolutely right on, but I know that many of those to whom He comes will not see it in that way.
And this is slowly becoming apparent.
More than that I dare not say.
But the message Christ brings is for those who are lost, and not for those who are already perfect.

On Gods time God will reveal this all. I fear only that Christians will be taken by surprise when these events take place and find themselves standing on the wrong side. Because they were not taught what God taught before the fact to avoid deception. The flood of lies that will inundate all the people of this world very soon. And now we already see it preparing.
 
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Because in many instances, I have done a lot of study for which I have drawn conclusions.
My book summarizes these studies and their outcomes. I do not wish to duplicate that work here.

Then why even post here?
 
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I have been into the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. I watched while crowds of people slobbered and cried over the slab of marble, near the entrance.
The Garden Tomb is a much more likely place where Jesus was buried. But He is not there, so why revere such places?

The "Garden tomb" has been debunked many times previously by archaeologists and historians. It is NOT more likely at all...

No Second Temple era tombs have been found anywhere in the vicinity of the garden tomb. Archaeologist, Gabriel Barkay, who has studied the Garden Tomb has concluded that it is an Iron Age tomb, dating to the 7th or 8th centuries BC. The Garden Tomb was not a “new tomb in which no one had yet been laid” (John 19:41)...it was already over 600 years old by the time of Yeshua. Archaeological research has demonstrated that the Holy Sepulchre complex was the site of a Jewish cemetery (with multiple kokhim) in an ancient limestone quarry outside the walls of Jerusalem at the time of Yeshua’s death. Regarding the tomb debate, Archaeologist John McRay says: "the archaeological and early literary evidence argues strongly for those who associate it with the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.”
 
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We agree Elijah will be sent. However I and many Christians who read these scripture should not ignore the passages Concerning Moses. Concerning John we have to factor in All Christ taught about John the Baptist.
You've not factored into the question the full teaching from scriptures.
John said he was not Elijah. Christ said He was not Elijah. If we were to conclude a thing on this without that fact, then we are wrong. I've mentioned these scriptures In the original post. But it seems most people are unwilling and unable to address them. Its not a luxury nor a healthy choice, to ignore Gods words. The full context must be read. The Apostles knew, He spoke of John. Christ knew He spoke of The Spirit of Elijah, the message he bare. Not that John was Elijah.

When reading Matthew, you have to back up to chapter 11.

John 1:21
“And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”

Christ also confirms He taught this.

Matthew Chapter 11
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This condition Christ set was not met by the people. So John was not Elijah, but taught that message.

The Disciples themselves did not even recognize that John The Baptist was sent as the forerunner for Messiah, until much later. The people themselves beheaded John The Baptist and crucified Christ. So there would be a second advent. And Elijah himself and Moses will be sent as written.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

2As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Isaiah Chapter 40 :
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


John The Baptist would ask Christ, is this the first advent, or do we look for another? Much of this is brought to the forefront from scriptures. In the OP I pointed to many of them.

Matthew 11:

11 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Christ taught this as the first advent, and then there would be another. Because He knew, the people would not accept Him. And Satan in this would seal his own fate. ( Hebrews 2:14 kjv )

Luke 4:
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
( So Christ told John The Baptist, Gods word says, there would be another. )

Isaiah
Chapter 61

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Like most people who lack diligence and mention "context" without really understanding it, your argument is all over the place and an oxymoron. While you deny that John the Baptist was not Elijah, you unwittingly contradicted yourself by quoting scripture that proves he was Elijah. Look at it this way; when scriptures say Elijah or Moses will come back, nobody expects they will return in the same body and features they lived in thousands of years ago when they walked the earth!

Consequently, the proper rendition is that whoever comes in their name will embody their spirit, i.e. he will fulfill what is prophesied in the character of the prophet. IOW, Elijah could have been fat and short in his day, and John the Baptist might have been slim and tall. In this context, John the Baptist was his own individual but embodied the spirit of Elijah to fulfill what was prophesied in Isaiah 40:3; Malachi 4:6, to turn Israel to God. You even spoke of the "spirit of Elijah", but apparently don't seem to understand what that implies.

Whether Israel heeded the call or not, isn't the point: the fact remains that John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah according to prophecy. You cited Matt 11: 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. In this passage, Jesus expressly confirmed that John the Baptist was Elijah. V-15 "who has an ear, let him hear," tells the reader that it requires discernment to understand that John the Baptist was indeed Elijah. IOW, carnal wisdom is not enough to figure this out - just as only a handful recognized Jesus as the expected Messiah.

But if there's any ambiguity in the above text, what Jesus said below dispels any doubt.

Matt 17:10 And the disciples asked him, “Then why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come?” 11 He answered, “Elijah does come, and he will restore all things.
12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man will certainly suffer at their hands.”


Note what Jesus said, "Elias has already come", he spoke in the past tense in relation to the period he was speaking. It's unfortunate that you just picked and chose what you wanted from my earlier post and ignored the heart of my argument. If you bother to go back and read it in full, you will find that I explicitly said that John the Baptist fulfilled:

Mal 4:5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 6 And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction.”

The passage above is specific that an individual will come, ergo, it's impossible to force the 2Ws into the text as the sentence is in single tense. For Israel's rejection of John's call for repentance and their Messiah's message, notice that verse 6 was fulfilled in the destruction of the temple and desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD?

I also pointed out in my first post that Elijah will also return again at the end of the age with Moses (Zech 4:14 & Rev 11), once again to give Israel the last chance to choose life in the Messiah or risk eternal damnation.
 
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