WHY ISREAL IS NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST .

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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more explanation please.

It’s currently held in abeyance…picks up again in Revelation

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

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Please define Israel...

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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Not all (physical) Israel is (spiritual) Israel. Like today, not all that call themselves Christians are actual born again Christians.

The Old Testament believers are also in Christ and part of His body.

Gal 3:28 does not speak about Israel will never be part of the body of Christ, rather that all those who are one with Jesus Christ are one with one another.

So how are OT believers in Christ? Gal3:29 “Heirs according to the promise”: All believers are heirs of the spiritual blessing that accompanied the Abrahamic Covenant, justification by faith

Uh I think I might disagree based on end times depictions in the end of the book Revelation show Christ Return and the Old Testament prophecies like "Jacob's Trouble", and saint Paul quote below etc. and that involves Israel and him eventually being accepted as Messiah when Christ returns and defeats the anti-Christ.

Your statement is already a little off based on some Israeli believers like the guy below.



Romans 11
New International Version


17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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I agree geopolitical Isreal will never be part of the Body of Christ nor will any nation for that matter. The Body of Christ is The Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ of Nazareth is King and His elect are His subjects. Paul describes the Body metaphorically as the Vine.
It starts with ancient Israel as the Vine which has many broken off branches,those who have rejected the Messiah. Then the mystery is revealed, Gentiles are grafted into the same vine. Together Jew and Gentile will live in the New Jerusalem aka Israel. Blessings.

Dan Perez said:

But I gave the verse , in Gal 3:28 says it all .

And there 3 word that say there CANNOT BE / OV which is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and it EMPHAMITICALLY mean NEVER be in the BODY OF CHRIST unless saved by GRACE .
Because all believers are a CREATION " in CHRIST "

There are 3 DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILES NEGATIVE in Greek and are OV , UN , Mn , and I say 4 of them and if you see the words Never , CANNOT BE , LEST , NEITHER they are NEGATIVE .

I am late and have to go , and more on Saturday .

dan p

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The verse does not exclude Israel .... what the verse is showing is that all of humanity is treated the same by the Lord when they are in Christ.

Also, who is Israel?

this could be me but to me this is like "the world, the lost are not part of the body of Christ". Right now everyone on this planet that does not believe in Yeshua/Jesus Christ are lost. Being Israel.. that will not save you for He told them face to face. They rejected Him. OOOOH but praise GOD more Jewish people are coming to Christ like never before. ODD we don't read about that. OneforIsrael has awesome videos of Jewish people finding Christ.

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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So you are saying... "All Israel will be saved"

You are also saying... That "Israel can never be part of the Body of Christ"

Correct ???

Yes I can, but it comes back to defining terms.

Consider the verse in Romans 9

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel

This verse presents 2 Israel's.

The first Israel is the Israel of faith. (the elect, both Jew and Gentile)

The second Israel is the Israel by descendancy. (Jews by virtue of physical blood line)

So the apparent contradiction you present is resolved when one defines terms first.

Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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You are ignoring how Peter addressed the crowd on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later.

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


We also have Paul referring to the faithful "remnant" of Israel in Romans 11:1-5.

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Dan Perez said:

And since you quoted Acts 2 :38 , Peter is saying to be water baptize for the forgiveness of SINS , Then all will receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit and CLASES with 1 Cor 12:13 where the Holy SPIRIT places all into the Body of CHRIST .

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The word "water" is not found in the text of Acts chapter 2.

Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?

What did Peter say below?


Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?


Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?


Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


“baptize” KJV



Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:



Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.



Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:



Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;



Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.



1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.



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Dan Perez said:

Israel will never be part of the BODY of CHRIST , because Gal 3:28 says that they can not .

Anyone who says they are , just present evidence and verses , that they are !!

Happy to have a dialogue ,

dan p

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Only the born again are in the body of Christ.