Story of 10 year old denied abortion goes viral; Update arrest made

Ana the Ist · Jul 20, 2022

ThatRobGuy said:
I don't think anyone wants these problems swept under the rug.

The reason why some people thought this story wasn't true, was because (as the NPR article referenced), there are some inherent issues with a "one source story", especially when that source has a preestablished bias, and refuses to provide specific details.

The reason why I said "then why did she bring it up?" is because if she's in a position where she can't give details because of HIPAA, or refuses to for other reasons, it can ding the credibility of her argument (and thus, the argument of many on her side)

The only reason we have the info now is that they caught the guy, and it was only because he was apprehended that details were released.

What would've happened had the guy been better at hiding, or fled the state and never got arrested?

If the issue is as serious and prevalent as she suggested, HIPAA be damned and release the details. Clearly they had some sort of lead, because they found the guy.

Hint....he's here illegally, and living with the victim, while in a relationship with the victim's mother.

Columbus is a sanctuary city.

In other words, the reason why the AG wasn't informed of any investigation is because they buried the info....to keep anyone from being deported.

It's pretty clear if you look at the dates related to the story.

Ana the Ist · Jul 20, 2022

Nithavela said:
In general there is nothing wrong about differences in opinion per se, but the interesting part is that the american right is staunchly willing to ignore those differences in opinion until they have reached their imagined goal and then is surprised when they have to deal with them.

Do they have to deal with them though?

The left said that there wouldn't be any problems with sexual assault or rape if we let trans women in the bathroom with them....and in prison with them....

Generally when you show them they were wrong.....they just ignore it.

How seriously does the right have to consider these claims of being concerned about the safety and health of women that the left is making?

essentialsaltes · Jul 20, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Protect them from what exactly?

It's a pretty simple question....why didn't she report the rape as obligated by state law?

She did as far as I know. If I'm wrong, not doubt she'll be charged, and the Indiana AG will not settle and will easily win the defamation suit. I am open to private wagers on the matter.

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
She did as far as I know. If I'm wrong, not doubt she'll be charged, and the Indiana AG will not settle and will easily win the defamation suit. I am open to private wagers on the matter.

Well I don't want to go digging up the Indiana state reporting requirements but I do recall reading a section about threats to the public being reported to the police.... and I'm pretty sure a child rapist would count as a public threat. Of course, it's also possible that the mother will have a different story than the doctor regarding who said what about the child rapist's age.

We'll see.

Bradskii · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Didn't have to travel interstate.

'Abortions beyond this threshold (detection of a heartbeat) are legal if the provider determines it's a medical emergency and necessary to prevent the pregnant person's death or "serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function." There are no exceptions for cases of rape and incest or fatal fetal anomalies.

What constitutes a medical emergency is not clear and left to "the physician's reasonable medical judgment." Ohio abortion law: What to know about six-week ban, ectopic pregnancy

I didn't know that it was a medical emergency or that there was 'serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function'.

Perhaps you have access to the medical report that you used to suggest that there was no need to go interstate?

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

Bradskii said:
'Abortions beyond this threshold (detection of a heartbeat) are legal if the provider determines it's a medical emergency and necessary to prevent the pregnant person's death or "serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function." There are no exceptions for cases of rape and incest or fatal fetal anomalies.

What constitutes a medical emergency is not clear and left to "the physician's reasonable medical judgment." Ohio abortion law: What to know about six-week ban, ectopic pregnancy

I didn't know that it was a medical emergency or that there was 'serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function'.

Perhaps you have access to the medical report that you used to suggest that there was no need to go interstate?

Every person here on this thread....on the left....has claimed that without the abortion, she would have suffered severe damage or death.

I claim no expertise on pregnant 9yo girls.

Are you disagreeing with this assessment?

Bradskii · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Every person here on this thread....on the left....has claimed that without the abortion, she would have suffered severe damage or death.

I claim no expertise on pregnant 9yo girls.

I would suggest that taking the pregnancy to term might well have caused her harm. I say might because I don't know any details of the kid whatsoever. She may be a waif or she may have the body (if not the mental acuity) of a sixteen year old. Nobody on this forum involved with this thread knows. Including you. And as you say, you are no expert in pregnant girls.

The law as it is worded says one can have an abortion if it is to prevent 'serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.' Neither you nor I or anyone else without a medical report on the kid knows if that would be the case. I would strongly suggest that it wasn't at the time she had the abortion. So whether a doctor's opinion that she would suffer such impairment would qualify as a reason enough for said abortion is an open question. Other definitions include: “medically diagnosed condition that so complicates the pregnancy of the woman as to directly or indirectly cause the substantial and reversible impairment of a major bodily function.” Which almost certainly wasn't the case at the time.

Someone medically qualified seems to have decided that losing his or her license, suffering a hefty fine and perhaps been jailed wasn't a risk that they were going to take. I position I would certainly take if I was a doctor in Ohio, especially being cognisant of their AG's comments. So she travelled interstate where someone wasn't in a position to risk their livelihood in helping a child.

But you have said she didn't have to travel. So either you know something that nobody else seems to know or you are just making an assumption. In which case you could perhaps qualify your statement so that we know it's just an opinion and not based on any facts.

TLK Valentine · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Every person here on this thread....on the left....has claimed that without the abortion, she would have suffered severe damage or death.

I claim no expertise on pregnant 9yo girls.

Are you disagreeing with this assessment?

I don't recall anyone on this thread claiming to be either a medical doctor or a member of the Ohio GOP... so what good are those opinions in a courtroom?

essentialsaltes · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Every person here on this thread....on the left....has claimed that without the abortion, she would have suffered severe damage or death.

I doubt that.

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
I don't recall anyone on this thread claiming to be either a medical doctor or a member of the Ohio GOP... so what good are those opinions in a courtroom?

Are you under the impression this is a courtroom lol?

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
I doubt that.

Is there a left leaning poster who claimed that the abortion wasn't necessary due to life threatening complications or severe damage to her body?

I'm pretty sure I only have to go back a page or two to find those who did.

Which is it? Absolutely necessary and therefore she didn't need to leave the state?

Or not necessary at all?

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

Bradskii said:
I would suggest that taking the pregnancy to term might well have caused her harm. I say might because I don't know any details of the kid whatsoever. She may be a waif or she may have the body (if not the mental acuity) of a sixteen year old. Nobody on this forum involved with this thread knows. Including you. And as you say, you are no expert in pregnant girls.

The law as it is worded says one can have an abortion if it is to prevent 'serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.' Neither you nor I or anyone else without a medical report on the kid knows if that would be the case. I would strongly suggest that it wasn't at the time she had the abortion. So whether a doctor's opinion that she would suffer such impairment would qualify as a reason enough for said abortion is an open question. Other definitions include: “medically diagnosed condition that so complicates the pregnancy of the woman as to directly or indirectly cause the substantial and reversible impairment of a major bodily function.” Which almost certainly wasn't the case at the time.

Someone medically qualified seems to have decided that losing his or her license, suffering a hefty fine and perhaps been jailed wasn't a risk that they were going to take. I position I would certainly take if I was a doctor in Ohio, especially being cognisant of their AG's comments. So she travelled interstate where someone wasn't in a position to risk their livelihood in helping a child.

But you have said she didn't have to travel. So either you know something that nobody else seems to know or you are just making an assumption. In which case you could perhaps qualify your statement so that we know it's just an opinion and not based on any facts.

Here's the problem then....

If you're claiming that she had to leave the state....then you're claiming that you have the knowledge that she wouldn't be harmed by the pregnancy (and therefore wouldn't be able to get the abortion in Ohio).

If she was going to be harmed....she could have gotten it in Ohio.

See how that works?

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Here's the problem then....

If you're claiming that she had to leave the state....then you're claiming that you have the knowledge that she wouldn't be harmed by the pregnancy (and therefore wouldn't be able to get the abortion in Ohio).

If she was going to be harmed....she could have gotten it in Ohio.

See how that works?

At what level of risk is an abortion allowed in Ohio according to the law? The pregnancy was going to harm her but since Ohio’s legislature is like the rest of the pro-life movement, they wrote a bad law that is very vague clearly laying out what level of harm would be needed to allow the abortion. In light of this it was prudent to leave the state for a state that at the moment doesn’t have vague laws about this on the books.

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

GreatLakes4Ever said:
The pregnancy was going to harm her but not since Ohio’s legislature is like the rest of the pro-life movement, they wrote a bad law that is very vague that what level of harm would be needed to allow the abortion.

It seems rather clear to me....permanent bodily harm or death are rather obvious standards.

In light of this is what prudent to leave the state for a state that at the moment doesn’t have vague laws on the books.

Oddly not PA though, which has no restrictions, and is much much closer.....

TLK Valentine · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
Are you under the impression this is a courtroom lol?

Are you under the impression that these opinions will help that little girl? Lol indeed.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
It seems rather clear to me....permanent bodily harm or death are rather obvious standards.

Just because something isn’t permanent doesn’t mean there isn’t harm.

Oddly not PA though, which has no restrictions, and is much much closer.....

She went to Indianapolis, 2hr43min from Columbus. Closest point in Pennsylvania that offers abortions is Pittsburgh which is 3hr13min away. Neither has restrictions that would affect her right now.

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
Are you under the impression that these opinions will help that little girl? Lol indeed.

What helped her was all the people who said "What about the rapist? Has he been arrested? Is he still free?"

Without that, she'd be going back home with her mother after the abortion....to live with her rapist.

For some reason a lot of foolish people were more concerned about her getting an abortion.

Ana the Ist · Jul 21, 2022

TLK Valentine · Jul 21, 2022

Ana the Ist said:
What helped her was all the people who said "What about the rapist? Has he been arrested? Is he still free?"

I don't see how those questions were of any help until the police asked them...

It didn't help when Dave Yost or Jim Jordan were asking -- but to be fair, they never planned on helping her.

Similarly, Kristi Norm was looking to score points with her constituents; Jesse Walters and Emily Compagno were looking for ratings; verily, they have their rewards.

Without that, she'd be going back home with her mother after the abortion....to live with her rapist.

For some reason a lot of foolish people were more concerned about her getting an abortion.

If you think about it for a few weeks, the reason might eventually start to show.

rturner76 · Jul 21, 2022

Absolutely necessary if they wanted to lower the risk of any complications. Not that she had a diagnosis of a complication and had to have it done as an emergency. She could be taking a risk by having it.

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