Doctrine of demons

Blade · Jul 16, 2022

ByTheSpirit said:
So probably not what you think the question is, but I'm curious. If someone you know was ministering to other people and then it later was revealed the one ministering had a demon, how would you view such an event and the group/denomination that supported them?

Do we know what Demons and fallen angels can say? Saying Jesus came and was a prophet yet didn't die on the cross thats a doctrine of demons. No demon has possessed some preacher that is saved then preaches Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross was buried rose the 3rd day and is the only way to the Father. They never point to Christ as the way truth and the life.

Now for a believer that demon can like attach it us.. where we listened gave in to some sin and allowed them in yet.. what is written? OT anyone that calls on the name of the lord SHALL BE not maybe not might be but SHALL BE delivered. Yes with our Father of our lord JESUS CHRSIT PRAISE GOD all things are possible. Remember that please.. you have Christ in you. Then ask LUKE 11:13 <---I didn't say nor did any other believer EVER. Christ did and He only said what the Father said. So do what HE said!

You have Christ in you.. He is in the Father the Father in Him and He is in us. We are one. That is not a nice saying or thought. We are ONE with HM! He is in you. And He never shares! So they can only latch on if YOU allow it from something that is NOT of God. today it very easy and most do not believe this yet so many problems in our life come from this. So simple ask HIM to show you IF there is anything in your life that is not of Him. This will ONLY work if you mean it form your hear to change

Disciple_mike · Jul 16, 2022

ARBITER01 said:
I get what you're saying, but for the demonic to drive me into being full on murderous to other people,..... not happening.

That is only because we have the very nature of GOD inside us wanting us not to do such things.

yup i agree .. because if a believer has an evil spirit they will be troubled in numerous ways ..will seek prayer and it will be driven out of them . (sadly some people see them manifesting and say oh look the anointing is all over you how wonderful and don't drive the foul thing out as Jesus commanded be done )

Skye1300 · Jul 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
What is you opinion on what was written in James 1 that clearly states when we are tempted it is by our own desires> James makes no mention of the devil or demons - Why do you think that is?

Because the Bible doesn't have to always mention the devil all the time. But look at how the devil tempted Eve. If it wasn't for the devil tempting Eve, we would not all be in a fallen nature right now. So what happened in the garden proves the devil does tempt man.

Then there's
Ephesians 6:12 For our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Skye1300 said:
The devil watches you and knows what to tempt you with so as not to waste his time

Do you believe that the devil is able to watch all humans at once? The he has the ability to be everywhere at one time?

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Skye1300 said:
Because the Bible doesn't have to always mention the devil all the time. But look at how the devil tempted Eve. If it wasn't for the devil tempting Eve, we would not all be in a fallen nature right now. So what happened in the garden proves the devil does tempt man.

I am not saying temptation is solely the flesh, it can invite Demonic activity. But all temptation begins in the flesh.

Skye1300 · Jul 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
Do you believe that the devil is able to watch all humans at once? The he has the ability to be everywhere at one time?

No, but he definitely has an interest in Christians. The lost are already lost so he doesn't care as much about them as he does those who are saved.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Skye1300 said:
No, but he definitely has an interest in Christians. The lost are already lost so he doesn't care as much about them as he does those who are saved.

Does the devil have the capacity to know what a majority of Christians are doing at any minute?

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

In the Pastoral Epistles, when Paul was instructing the church regarding sin in the church, why does he NOT address the demonic? But deals solely with the flesh and it’s consequences?

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Look at what Paul instructed the church in Galatia

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

That is a whole lot of sin! He is addressing it to Christians.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Not one reference to the devil, oppression or the demonic. The emphasis is on crucifying the flesh.

In the Christians life the devil is persona non grata. I give him no place. I am crucified with Christ, therefore I no longer live, it Christ lives in me.

Skye1300 · Jul 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
Does the devil have the capacity to know what a majority of Christians are doing at any minute?

No that's why he assigns demons to Christians who report back to him.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Skye1300 said:
No that's why he assigns demons to Christians who report back to him.

Can you show me that in scripture?

I have heard that story before, I just cannot find proof of its accuracy.

Hidden In Him · Jul 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
In the Pastoral Epistles, when Paul was instructing the church regarding sin in the church, why does he NOT address the demonic? But deals solely with the flesh and it’s consequences?

His Legacy, the title of this thread is "Doctrines of demons." Who used that phrase? Paul did. Where did he use it? In one of the pastoral epistles.

I don't understand your posts. You keep making these sweeping statements that run contrary to the truth as if you are adamantly against the notion that demonic spirits could be behind temptation. The teaching of the early church was that our three main enemies were the world, the flesh and the Devil. Why do you keep diminishing the role of the third?

tturt · Jul 17, 2022

This seems to indicate a hierarchical structure:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12

But we can have God's armor against the enemy: We put it on ---- so we can strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
( Eph 2:11)

"Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked."

It includes praying in tongues - "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;" v18

ARBITER01 · Jul 17, 2022

tturt said:
This seems to indicate a hierarchical structure:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12

But we can have God's armor against the enemy:
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." Eph 2:11

Correct!

ARBITER01 · Jul 17, 2022

Hidden In Him said:
His Legacy, the title of this thread is "Doctrines of demons." Who used that phrase? Paul did. Where did he use it? In one of the pastoral epistles.

I don't understand your posts. You keep making these sweeping statements that run contrary to the truth as if you are adamantly against the notion that demonic spirits could be behind temptation. The teaching of the early church was that our three main enemies were the world, the flesh and the Devil. Why do you keep diminishing the role of the third?

We've had several threads on subjects like this in the last year, and a certain person in the thread always tends to fight against any notion of demonic activity against believers,...

ARBITER01 · Jul 17, 2022

Skye1300 said:
No that's why he assigns demons to Christians who report back to him.

It's a rather huge system used against humanity.

tturt · Jul 17, 2022

Believe the enemy continues with "Yea, hath God said,...? (Gen 3)

Since the church is influenced by society's views instead of what Scripture says.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2022

Hidden In Him said:
His Legacy, the title of this thread is "Doctrines of demons." Who used that phrase? Paul did. Where did he use it? In one of the pastoral epistles.

Remember we are speaking of demonic sources of temptation:

You are correct Paul made ONE mention of the doctrine of demons and even described the results of this doctrine. It is found in 1 Timothy chapter 4

I Tim 4:Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

The reader will note - there is no reference to demons tempting Christians to sin. That is the focus of my query.

Hidden In Him said:
I don't understand your posts. You keep making these sweeping statements that run contrary to the truth

What truth is that? Please quote anything I have stated that is contrary to the truth. I have been asking for scriptural evidence (which is the truth) have I missed one?

Hidden In Him said:
as if you are adamantly against the notion that demonic spirits could be behind temptation.

You are mistaken in your assumption. I am not adamantly opposed to scripture. But the Word of God is not a word salad, nor is it ala carte, where you pick and choose parts of a thought and make them say something that just quite frankly is not there. I am adamantly opposed to that, because that is the beginning of error. IMHO

Hidden In Him said:
The teaching of the early church was that our three main enemies were the world, the flesh and the Devil. Why do you keep diminishing the role of the third?

I am not diminishing that we have an adversary - the devil hates us because he hates God. That is plain and clear.

Also plain and clear is that the devil has been defeated - has been - already defeated. Our 'war" with the devil is one of containment.

He has no power and position over a child of God, that the child of God does not permit him to have. That is why over 80% of the references in Scripture to battle, war, warfare, wrestle have to do with the mind, almost all the rest have to do with the world and there are only 2 in the whole of the Newt Testament that have direct reference to battling satin.

The only way you can see it otherwise (so I have found), it to take parts of scriptures and ignore the context.

Thank you for conversing with me.

Additional Note:

Reading any of the early church father - Pliney, Trajan etc. What is interesting is the incredible lack of any mention of demonic activity. I just found that interesting. I did my Masters thesis on the first 300 years of Christianity.

Disciple_mike · Jul 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
Remember we are speaking of demonic sources of temptation:

You are correct Paul made ONE mention of the doctrine of demons and even described the results of this doctrine. It is found in 1 Timothy chapter 4

I Tim 4:Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

The reader will note - there is no reference to demons tempting Christians to sin. That is the focus of my query.

What truth is that? Please quote anything I have stated that is contrary to the truth. I have been asking for scriptural evidence (which is the truth) have I missed one?

You are mistaken in your assumption. I am not adamantly opposed to scripture. But the Word of God is not a word salad, nor is it ala carte, where you pick and choose parts of a thought and make them say something that just quite frankly is not there. I am adamantly opposed to that, because that is the beginning of error. IMHO

I am not diminishing that we have an adversary - the devil hates us because he hates God. That is plain and clear.

Also plain and clear is that the devil has been defeated - has been - already defeated. Our 'war" with the devil is one of containment.

He has no power and position over a child of God, that the child of God does not permit him to have. That is why over 80% of the references in Scripture to battle, war, warfare, wrestle have to do with the mind, almost all the rest have to do with the world and there are only 2 in the whole of the Newt Testament that have direct reference to battling satin.

The only way you can see it otherwise (so I have found), it to take parts of scriptures and ignore the context.

Thank you for conversing with me.

Additional Note:

Reading any of the early church father - Pliney, Trajan etc. What is interesting is the incredible lack of any mention of demonic activity. I just found that interesting. I did my Masters thesis on the first 300 years of Christianity.

pity you added reference to church fathers ..they too are but men with opinions .except they are not here to discuss them so that part is quite pointless . i think you asked questions that didn't really need asking .in the line of ,does the devil have the ability to see all believers . The poster of that comment did not even suggest that . we all knew what he meant . it must be noted that the reference to the word is also linked to the SPIRIT of this world or as he words it in Ephesians ch 2 ..the prince of the power of the air that now works in the children of disobedience . note that prince is singular but children is plural . the devil is but a banished angel who fell with a third of all and were cast out .. so there is a network .and yes it is true that a man is tempted when he is led by the desire of HIS OWN heart .. and the flesh will always desire the things of the flesh .. so it is to the flesh and the mind of the flesh that devils will appeal and , also as James says, entice towards taking action. a desire is not the action of a sin. a desire enticed is not an action we call sin but it is a sin done by the enticer . A sinful desire entertained in the mind is a sinful thought and a sinful thought pursued leads to a sinful action. and devils are fully active in aiding this to occur.
a born again believer as you say and i agree not subject to that influence unless he chooses to submit himself to the action of sinning . then he is being disobedient and the spirit of this word is freed to "work in him" and this leads to that person teaching "teachings of devils .

Disciple_mike · Jul 17, 2022

ByTheSpirit said:
So probably not what you think the question is, but I'm curious. If someone you know was ministering to other people and then it later was revealed the one ministering had a demon, how would you view such an event and the group/denomination that supported them?

may i ask .."ministering to them in what capacity" ?

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