New--SDA General Conference Statement on EGW writings

Adventist Heretic · Jul 9, 2022

BobRyan said:
True she describes several instances where she had to shut it down in the 1840's and 50's

that is EGW propaganda and misinformation. She was an active participant in the fanatical behavior.

Eyewitness Accounts of Mrs. White's Visions

Israel Dammon trial wiki

Israel Dammon trial - Wikipedia.

Israel Dammon Trial Reprint.
"Trial of Elder I. Dammon Reported for the Piscataquis Farmer"

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

Adventist Heretic said:
that is EGW propaganda and misinformation. She was an active participant in the fanatical behavior.

Eyewitness Accounts of Mrs. White's Visions
Israel Dammon trial wiki

Israel Dammon trial - Wikipedia.

Israel Dammon Trial Reprint.
"Trial of Elder I. Dammon Reported for the Piscataquis Farmer"

I think the propaganda and misinformation is your side to be honest. The website your posting from is an ex-SDA misinformation center.

Ellen G. White and Israel Dammon

In 1845 Elder Israel Dammon, a Millerite adventist, faced charges by the State of Maine that he was a "vagabond and idle person," "a common railer or brawler," "neglecting his employment," "misspending his earnings" and did not "provide for the support" of himself or his family. His trial was reported, in abridged format, in the Piscataguis Farmer of Dover, Maine, March 7, 1845. The published record provides a fascinating contemporary account of some of the fanatical activities known to have been associated with certain ex-Millerite factions. What is of particular interest to Seventh-day Adventists is that the record mentions young Ellen Harmon (later White) as being present at one of the meetings.

It should be noted that none of the witnesses in the record of Israel Dammon's trial allege any fanatical activity by 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. But the question arises whether Ellen Harmon's attendance at meetings where fanaticism was evident should be construed as an endorsement of such behavior. We think not. When the Lord instructed Ellen Harmon to relate her first vision (received December 1844) to the Advent believers, He did not exclude the fanatics from her ministry. Ellen White refers to numerous occasions when she was directed to bear her testimony to those mistakenly caught up with fanatical ideas and practices. For example:

"In the period of disappointment after the passing of the time in 1844, fanaticism in various forms arose. Some held that the resurrection of the righteous dead had already taken place. I was sent to bear a message to those believing this, as I am now bearing a message to you [certain persons advocating strange doctrines in 1901]. They declared that they were perfected, that body, soul, and spirit were holy. They made demonstrations similar to those you have made, and confused their own minds and the minds of others by their wonderful suppositions. Yet these persons were our beloved brethren, and we were longing to help them. I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34).

Ellen Harmon's association with Israel Dammon at this time may also be understood in light of the fact that while most Millerites had rejected their past experience, he was among a handful of leaders who still believed that Bible prophecy had been fulfilled in 1844--one of the few who would listen to the message of Ellen Harmon's first vision.

More reading here...

Ellen G. White® Estate: CHARISMATIC EXPERIENCES IN EARLY SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST HISTORY
Ellen G. White® Estate: Another Look at Israel Damman's Trial

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
I think the propaganda and misinformation is your side to be honest. The website your posting from is an ex-SDA misinformation center.

The scan of the original newspaper article was already posted, from archive.org, which is certainly not an ex-sda misinformation center. The ex-sda version is easier to read, so it was also linked to make it easier for folks to see.

https://ia802603.us.archive.org/25/...uisFarmer_piscataquisFarmer_march7_v3_n31.pdf

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

tall73 said:
The scan of the original newspaper article was already posted, from archive.org, which is certainly not an ex-sda misinformation center. The ex-sda version is easier to read, so it was also linked to make it easier for folks to see.

https://ia802603.us.archive.org/25/...uisFarmer_piscataquisFarmer_march7_v3_n31.pdf

Sure it was misinformation. Like much of what you read on the internet. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak.

Adventist Heretic · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it was misinformation. Like much of what you read on the internet. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak.

direct source information no matter what site it is on is not misinformation. Misinformation is information that is false or misleading, NOT information you simply don't like or disagree with. the burden of proof is on you to show that it is false. not us. simply stating it as false does not make it false.

When she is rolling on the ground and she is participating in the very behavior she was said to have rebuked. Her reliability and credibality comes in to question.

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it was misinformation. Like much of what you read on the internet. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak.

You referenced the source being evidence of propaganda. That is not accurate. Archive.org is not a propaganda site, and it hosts the original newspaper article.

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it was misinformation. Like much of what you read on the internet. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak.

Folks can read the accounts from the paper, and the account from Ellen White and see what they think.

But I would say I would not want to be at a meeting with someone who was predicting the end of the world at a specified time. This was published in the paper as content of Israel Dammon's defense:

ELDER DAMMON again rose for further defense. Court indulged him to speak. He read 126th Psalm, and the 50th Psalm. He argued that the day of grace had gone by, that the believers were reduced; but that there was too many yet, and that the end of the world would come within a week.

He is also holding to the view that the day of grace is passed, which Ellen White later indicated she did not hold by that time, though of course, some have alleged she still did.

But if we take her account of it, why would she want to be associated with a date setter for the second coming, and with a message she claims was revealed to her to be false, that the day of grace was passed?

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

Adventist Heretic said:
direct source information no matter what site it is on is not misinformation. Misinformation is information that is false or misleading, NOT information you simply don't like or disagree with. the burden of proof is on you to show that it is false. not us. simply stating it as false does not make it false.
When she is rolling on the ground and she is participating in the very behavior she was said to have rebuked. Her reliability and credibality comes in to question.

She was doing none of those things. Your posting misinformation. Falsehood is on your side. Like much of what you read on the internet in that website you provided. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak. EGW and James White were not the ones on trial there.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

tall73 said:
Folks can read the accounts from the paper, and the account from Ellen White and see what they think.

But I would say I would not want to be at a meeting with someone who was predicting the end of the world at a specified time. This was published in the paper as content of Israel Dammon's defense:

ELDER DAMMON again rose for further defense. Court indulged him to speak. He read 126th Psalm, and the 50th Psalm. He argued that the day of grace had gone by, that the believers were reduced; but that there was too many yet, and that the end of the world would come within a week.

He is also holding to the view that the day of grace is passed, which Ellen White later indicated she did not hold by that time, though of course, some have alleged she still did.

But if we take her account of it, why would she want to be associated with a date setter for the second coming, and with a message she claims was revealed to her to be false, that the day of grace was passed?

Sure it was misinformation. Like much of what you read on the internet. Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak. EGW and James White where not the ones on trial here

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
EGW and James White where not the ones on trial here

Who said they were on trial?

The testimony of those who were there, and the speech of Israel Dammon before the court are what is being noted.

Anyone can read the historical document for themselves.

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Just because someone was at a murder scene does not make them the murderer so to speak.

So would you join your efforts to a man who indicates the second coming will happen within the week, and preaches that the day of grace is passed?

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

Adventist Heretic said:
that is EGW propaganda and misinformation. She was an active participant in the fanatical behavior.

She was at the incident, and I would not want to be there given the message of Damman.

On the other hand the Whites did eventually send some type of rebuke to Israel Dammon, reportedly for fanaticism. Uriah Smith talked to Israel Dammon years later who confirmed this incidental to another issue being looked into.

The question is what caused the change. Damman indicated that he didn't think they had warrant to send the letter.

Ellen White later referred to Damman as someone who was distracted by other things but that they had hope for.

So she did at some point tamp down on fanaticism including with Damman, but it is puzzling why she did not do so early on.

She herself also spoke of being brought to the ground, in what would today be referred to as slain in the spirit, and reports another participant in a meeting experiencing the same.

I wouldn't particularly have an issue with that, as I won't limit what God can do. But I think Adventists sometimes downplay how lively some of the early meetings were.

And it is hard to justify working with someone who claims the second coming is happening in a week, and the time of grace is past.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

tall73 said:
So would you join your efforts to a man who indicates the second coming will happen within the week, and preaches that the day of grace is passed?

No, why would I do that? The Whites did not do or believe that. As posted earlier just because someone does hold a different view does not mean I hold the same view as He did. That was the position of the Whites in those days who came along to the meeting before the SDA Church was formed.

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
No, why would I do that? The Whites did not do or believe that.

Ellen did hold for a time, by her own admission, to the view that the door of mercy had been shut to the world. But she indicates that this position was taken prior to her first vision:

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position. 1SM 63.1

Per her statement, by the time of the Israel Damman incident, she would not have held to this view. So then why would she support a meeting by someone who did teach that view, so centrally as to make it part of his closing statement in his defense as to his views?

As posted earlier just because someone does hold a different view does not mean I hold the same view as He did.

But does it mean you would participate in a meeting by someone promoting a view that you believe God led you to reject?

tall73 · Jul 10, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Ellen G. White and Israel Dammon

In 1845 Elder Israel Dammon, a Millerite adventist, faced charges by the State of Maine that he was a "vagabond and idle person," "a common railer or brawler," "neglecting his employment," "misspending his earnings" and did not "provide for the support" of himself or his family. His trial was reported, in abridged format, in the Piscataguis Farmer of Dover, Maine, March 7, 1845. The published record provides a fascinating contemporary account of some of the fanatical activities known to have been associated with certain ex-Millerite factions. What is of particular interest to Seventh-day Adventists is that the record mentions young Ellen Harmon (later White) as being present at one of the meetings.

It should be noted that none of the witnesses in the record of Israel Dammon's trial allege any fanatical activity by 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. But the question arises whether Ellen Harmon's attendance at meetings where fanaticism was evident should be construed as an endorsement of such behavior. We think not. When the Lord instructed Ellen Harmon to relate her first vision (received December 1844) to the Advent believers, He did not exclude the fanatics from her ministry. Ellen White refers to numerous occasions when she was directed to bear her testimony to those mistakenly caught up with fanatical ideas and practices. For example:

"In the period of disappointment after the passing of the time in 1844, fanaticism in various forms arose. Some held that the resurrection of the righteous dead had already taken place. I was sent to bear a message to those believing this, as I am now bearing a message to you [certain persons advocating strange doctrines in 1901]. They declared that they were perfected, that body, soul, and spirit were holy. They made demonstrations similar to those you have made, and confused their own minds and the minds of others by their wonderful suppositions. Yet these persons were our beloved brethren, and we were longing to help them. I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34).

Ellen Harmon's association with Israel Dammon at this time may also be understood in light of the fact that while most Millerites had rejected their past experience, he was among a handful of leaders who still believed that Bible prophecy had been fulfilled in 1844--one of the few who would listen to the message of Ellen Harmon's first vision.

More reading here...

Ellen G. White® Estate: CHARISMATIC EXPERIENCES IN EARLY SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST HISTORY
Ellen G. White® Estate: Another Look at Israel Damman's Trial

From the above:

I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34).

In rebuking fanatics she references falling to the floor in vision, and shouting, as part of what she encountered. However, at a time very close to the incident with Israel Damman she describes this activity happening to her, and another, in their meeting, and guess who she says was present at that meeting? Israel Damman.

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/56.424?hl=sister+durben&ss=eyJ0b3RhbCI6MTEsInBhcmFtcyI6eyJxdWVyeSI6InNpc3RlciBkdXJiZW4iLCJ0eXBlIjoiYmFzaWMiLCJsYW5nIjoiZW4iLCJsaW1pdCI6MjB9LCJpbmRleCI6MH0=#434

The view about the Bridegroom's coming I had about the middle of February, 1845.

While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their differences.) Sister Durben got up to talk. I felt very, very sad. At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the Holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down, and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's singing and shouting with a loud voice. Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the Holiest.

So you need not believe the newspaper account at all. You can see Ellen White's condemnation of such manifestations in the name of the Lord, in the reference you posted. And you can look at Ellen White's own statement about a meeting where she did the same thing, falling to the floor in vision, and where sister Durben, who knew the power of the Lord per Ellen White, also fell to the floor and was shouting. And she attributes this to the Lord.

So does the Lord condemn such "manifestations" or not?

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

tall73 said:
Ellen did hold for a time, by her own admission, to the view that the door of mercy had been shut to the world. But she indicates that this position was taken prior to her first vision:

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position. 1SM 63.1

Per her statement, by the time of the Israel Damman incident, she would not have held to this view. So then why would she support a meeting by someone who did teach that view, so centrally as to make it part of his closing statement in his defense as to his views?

But does it mean you would participate in a meeting by someone promoting a view that you believe God led you to reject?

Sure she until God showed her otherwise. Stop making things up and pretending she was doing things she never did at the meeting with Israel Damman or never believed what he was promoting.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 10, 2022

tall73 said:
From the above:

I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34).

In rebuking fanatics she references falling to the floor in vision, and shouting, as part of what she encountered. However, at a time very close to the incident with Israel Damman she describes this activity happening to her, and another, in their meeting, and guess who she says was present at that meeting? Israel Damman.

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/56.424?hl=sister+durben&ss=eyJ0b3RhbCI6MTEsInBhcmFtcyI6eyJxdWVyeSI6InNpc3RlciBkdXJiZW4iLCJ0eXBlIjoiYmFzaWMiLCJsYW5nIjoiZW4iLCJsaW1pdCI6MjB9LCJpbmRleCI6MH0=#434

The view about the Bridegroom's coming I had about the middle of February, 1845.

While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their differences.) Sister Durben got up to talk. I felt very, very sad. At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the Holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down, and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's singing and shouting with a loud voice. Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the Holiest.

So you need not believe the newspaper account at all. You can see Ellen White's condemnation of such manifestations in the name of the Lord, in the reference you posted. And you can look at Ellen White's own statement about a meeting where she did the same thing, falling to the floor in vision, and where sister Durben, who knew the power of the Lord per Ellen White, also fell to the floor and was shouting. And she attributes this to the Lord.

So does the Lord condemn such "manifestations" or not?

And here you go again pulling statement from their context again. I knew this was going to happen. Your conflating different time periods

Ellen White maintained, and the evidence supports, that, while she and others believed for a time that no more sinners would be converted after 1844, she was never instructed in vision that the door of salvation was shut for the world.

Here is Ellen White's explanation of what she believed regarding the "shut door:"

"I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. All who saw the light of the first and second angels' messages and rejected that light, were left in darkness. And those who accepted it and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who afterward renounced their faith and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby rejected the Spirit of God, and it no longer pleaded with them.Those who did not see the light, had not the guilt of its rejection. It was only the class who had despised the light from heaven that the Spirit of God could not reach. And this class included, as I have stated, both those who refused to accept the message when it was presented to them, and also those who, having received it, afterward renounced their faith. These might have a form of godliness, and profess to be followers of Christ; but having no living connection with God, they would be taken captive by the delusions of Satan. These two classes are brought to view in the [first] vision--those who declared the light which they had followed a delusion, and the wicked of the world who, having rejected the light, had been rejected of God. No reference is made to those who had not seen the light, and therefore were not guilty of its rejection" (Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 62-64).

More information and historical context before and after the closed door statement provided here....

Ellen G. White® Estate: "The Shut Door"
Ellen G. White® Estate: Open and Shut
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Docs
Ellen G. White® Estate: Open and Shut
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Docs
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Question

Kind of still applicable today I guess with those who reject the truth of Gods' Word once they have been given a knowledge of the truth in order to go off and to believe and follow lies. *Hebrews 10:26-31. Speculation is a waste of time. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to the scriptures. Let's talk scripture.

Take Care.

tall73 · Jul 11, 2022

tall73 said: ↑

Ellen did hold for a time, by her own admission, to the view that the door of mercy had been shut to the world. But she indicates that this position was taken prior to her first vision:

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position. 1SM 63.1

Per her statement, by the time of the Israel Damman incident, she would not have held to this view. So then why would she support a meeting by someone who did teach that view, so centrally as to make it part of his closing statement in his defense as to his views?

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure she until God showed her otherwise. Stop making things up and pretending she was doing things she never did at the meeting with Israel Damman

I didn't make anything up. I noted that by her own statement she wouldn't believe that the door of mercy was shut any longer during the meeting with Damman. So why would she support his meeting when he did hold to the view that the door of mercy was shut, and she had been corrected on that point by the Lord, per her statement?

or never believed what he was promoting.

I didn't claim she "never believed what he was promoting". I noted that she did believe it for a time, but claimed not to by the time of this meeting. So then why did she support a meeting with Damman who held that the day of grace had passed?

Damman's own testimony in the court record shows this was a burden of his message.

LoveGodsWord said:
And here you go again pulling statement from their context again. I knew this was going to happen. Your conflating different time periods

Ellen White maintained, and the evidence supports, that, while she and others believed for a time that no more sinners would be converted after 1844, she was never instructed in vision that the door of salvation was shut for the world.

Nor did I claim she did. I noted her own statement that she did NOT believe that the door of salvation was shut for the world at the time of the Israel Damman trial, because she indicates her visions set her straight on that point.

Which is why I asked you why she supported Damman's meeting, when his court testimony makes it clear his message was that the day of grace was past.

Here is Ellen White's explanation of what she believed regarding the "shut door:"

"I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. All who saw the light of the first and second angels' messages and rejected that light, were left in darkness. And those who accepted it and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who afterward renounced their faith and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby rejected the Spirit of God, and it no longer pleaded with them.Those who did not see the light, had not the guilt of its rejection. It was only the class who had despised the light from heaven that the Spirit of God could not reach. And this class included, as I have stated, both those who refused to accept the message when it was presented to them, and also those who, having received it, afterward renounced their faith. These might have a form of godliness, and profess to be followers of Christ; but having no living connection with God, they would be taken captive by the delusions of Satan. These two classes are brought to view in the [first] vision--those who declared the light which they had followed a delusion, and the wicked of the world who, having rejected the light, had been rejected of God. No reference is made to those who had not seen the light, and therefore were not guilty of its rejection" (Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 62-64).

More information and historical context before and after the closed door statement provided here....

Ellen G. White® Estate: "The Shut Door"
Ellen G. White® Estate: Open and Shut
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Docs
Ellen G. White® Estate: Open and Shut
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Docs
Ellen G. White® Estate: Door Question

You will note I quoted from the same statement in the post before. So I not only did not say that Ellen White held to the shut door at the time of the Israel Damman incident, but used her own quote to establish such.

Which is why I asked the question about why she would support Damman's meeting when his message was that the day of mercy was passed.

tall73 · Jul 11, 2022

Adventist Heretic said:
she is participating in the very behavior she was said to have rebuked.

Yes, she did, and we don't even need the newspaper account of the Israel Damman incident to know it.

Her own writings indicate that falling to the ground in vision and shouting were some of the "manifestations" she rebuked among the fanatics. Yet, she describes falling to the floor in vision, another person in the group likewise falling to the floor, and then shouting, and indicates it was the Lord causing this.

tall73 · Jul 11, 2022

I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (2SM 34).

Ellen White indicates that the Lord rebuked such manifestations as falling on the ground while in vision, and shouting.

However, Ellen White also indicates that she herself fell to the ground while in vision, and that sister Durben was shouting, and indicates this was the work of the Lord.

At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the Holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down, and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's singing and shouting with a loud voice. (5MR 97)

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