UFOs: What do Christians say about aliens - What does the Bible say?

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OK. But how would you know if they were Holy or fallen.

When an angel appears as a man -- it would be hard to know if the one you are talking to is not a man - they would have to clue you in - in some way.

The way you test them - is by what they say - as we see in Gal 1:6-9 and in 1 John 4:1-5
 
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I woulds say the angel of light represents light and darkness as in good and evil.

That doesn't really answer my question or explain anything. What do you do with the angels who are shaped like women? Or the lights that have no shape, like the half-formed ghosts people claim to've seen?
 
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BobRyan said:
Salvation is only offered on this planet - since only this planet has sinned.

Only this planet is in rebellion

There is no proof for this statement, though.

The worst possible case is that all the entire universe is in rebellion except for those loyal 2/3's of the Angels that did not join with the rebelling angels.

The better case is found in Christ's example where of the 100 sheep only one is lost - and the Shepherd (Christ) leaves the 99 and comes to save the "one" --- is incarnate on this world alone - as the one planet in rebellion.
  • It also explains why it is in Rev 12 that Satan is cast down to this Earth when he falls - along with all his evil angels.
  • And it explains why in Job 1 Satan says "he comes from Earth" and not all those other planets.
  • And it explains why in Matt 4 and Luke 4 -- Satan tells Christ "This world has been given to me and I give it to whomever I wish"
 
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Many insist that the truth about UFOs must be hidden because the social structures of humanity (including religion) would crumble, and civilization would fall into chaos. To that I say malarky. I know myself that my "social structure" is Christianity based on faith to start with. If a UFO landed on my front yard, it would change absolutely nothing about my faith in God and the Gospel. Faith is the evidence of things NOT seen, not the denial of things that are.

Aliens that land and say "The Bible is not true - what is true is evolution and all of us in this universe have evolved... whey are here on a survival-of-the-fittest mission so you obey us" would be a major threat to the world-view that one finds in the Bible

Aliens that land and say "God is whom we serve and his name is Allah - because he is the one true God that all planets in the universe serve" would change a lot of people's world view.

There are sooo many ways that can go wrong ... and the Bible says all the world falls for it. In fact it says even the very elect would fall for it Matt 24 - except that they pay very close attention to what Christ tells them regarding the details of what will happen.
 
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UFO's are government fakes just like the rest of the fake deceptions from nasa.

ok so maybe we agree that casting it in an oversimplification makes it not a challenge.

But the Bible says instead of being that great oversimplification - it is an amazing deception with "all power, signs and wonders" consistent with the full power of Satan , in 2 Thess 2. I am betting the Bible is the one that is getting this one right.
 
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the dragon, the beast, the false prophet. Fallen angels

The beast isn't just one man, but the little horn is said to have the eyes of a man... so the beast is ruled by something that at least looks like a man.
The Beast and the False Prophet are tossed into the lake of fire... but bad humans have to wait until the white throne judgment... so whatever they are, they're not humans. I'm guessing it's the institutions themselves that get tossed.
The locusts from the pit are dead somethings. Ezekiel says the pit is where the captivity's armies are kept. Pre-Greek Legend says the pit is where the Titans and Giants are kept, and gives the place of that pit under the Pontus... Black Sea. So... is this the beast rising up from the sea?
The false prophet comes up from the land... is this a grave, or the land of the daughter of Babylon who rules the merchants of the 10 nations?
 
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That doesn't really answer my question or explain anything. What do you do with the angels who are shaped like women? Or the lights that have no shape, like the half-formed ghosts people claim to've seen?

On this, it has to be kept in context with what is known from The Bible and in The Bible angels are always men. Demons (which are not angels) posses people, women and men, so can a demon take shape and have an appearance that is not stated in The Bible. Do not know.
 
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ok so maybe we agree that casting it in an oversimplification makes it not a challenge.

But the Bible says instead of being that great oversimplification - it is an amazing deception with "all power, signs and wonders" consistent with the full power of Satan , in 2 Thess 2. I am betting the Bible is the one that is getting this one right.

As this deception happens during the tribulation, i am sure it will be something that is describe like, the miracle of the beast healing from his deadly wound etc. .

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion,that they should believe the lie,
 
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prove the beast is a man

Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.


The beast from the sea is the same man Paul writes about in 2 Thessalonians 2
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

And is the same person in Daniel
“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
 
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Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

The beast from the sea is the same man Paul writes about in 2 Thessalonians 2
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

And is the same person in Daniel
“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

OK
 
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From the Bible it appears that only this world fell into sin. So whatever sentient life is how there - it is not composed of sinners and therefore is not harmful, which means it is not separated from God the Creator -- according to the Bible.

The Bible says nothing of the sort.
 
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The worst possible case is that all the entire universe is in rebellion except for those loyal 2/3's of the Angels that did not join with the rebelling angels.

The better case is found in Christ's example where of the 100 sheep only one is lost - and the Shepherd (Christ) leaves the 99 and comes to save the "one" --- is incarnate on this world alone - as the one planet in rebellion.

That 1-out-of-100-sheep verse you're referencing matches Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24... so they're all talking about the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

...It's not about other planets...

Matthew 18:5-13 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in Heaven their angels do always behold the face of My Father which is in Heaven.[11] For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

Ezekiel 34:11 For thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will seek out My sheep, and will visit them.
 
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They appeared as other things. A serpent, for example.

The serpent is called an angel, where. I know satan is also called a dragon, but i see no other angel being anything but a man in The Bible.
 
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Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

The beast from the sea is the same man Paul writes about in 2 Thessalonians 2
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

And is the same person in Daniel
“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:36-45 And he shall do according to his will, and the king shall exalt and magnify himself against every god, and shall speak great swelling words, and shall prosper until the indignation shall be accomplished: for it is coming to an end.[37] And he shall not regard any gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, neither shall he regard any deity, for he shall magnify himself above all. ...[45] And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.LXX
Daniel 12:1 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.LXX

Revelation 12:7-12 And there was war in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in Heaven.[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the Earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ...[12] Therefore rejoice, ye Heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the Earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 17:8-10 The beast that thou sawest was and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition. And they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was and is not, and yet is. ...[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen and one is, and the other is not yet come--and when he cometh he must continue a short space.

The beast comes out of the pit... and they look like locusts. The king of the beast is the little horn = the dragon himself... as the fallen star, opens the pit.

I think Merchant-Queen-Babylon gets replaced by the devil-locusts from out of the pit ...becoming a "cage of every unclean and hateful bird"... and on the wing of the temple sits the Matthew 24:28 eagles... looking out over the "carcase" of the 2 witnesses.
The Revelation 11:1-2 "measure the temple" (John is the young man) equals the Zechariah 2:3-5 "measure Jerusalem" verse... making Jerusalem itself the temple of God... so a wing of the temple is some part of Jerusalem.
And so, the devil and his locusts have a void to fill... rulership of merchants, and the coin will probably be the image of the dragon... render the coin with Caesar's image on it to Caesar... and while you're at it, render worship to this Caesar-guy, too.
 
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Daniel 11:36-45 And he shall do according to his will, and the king shall exalt and magnify himself against every god, and shall speak great swelling words, and shall prosper until the indignation shall be accomplished: for it is coming to an end.[37] And he shall not regard any gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, neither shall he regard any deity, for he shall magnify himself above all. ...[45] And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.LXX
Daniel 12:1 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.LXX

Revelation 12:7-12 And there was war in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in Heaven.[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the Earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ...[12] Therefore rejoice, ye Heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the Earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 17:8-10 The beast that thou sawest was and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition. And they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was and is not, and yet is. ...[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen and one is, and the other is not yet come--and when he cometh he must continue a short space.

The beast comes out of the pit... and they look like locusts. The king of the beast is the little horn = the dragon himself... as the fallen star, opens the pit.

I think Merchant-Queen-Babylon gets replaced by the devil-locusts from out of the pit ...becoming a "cage of every unclean and hateful bird"... and on the wing of the temple sits the Matthew 24:28 eagles... looking out over the "carcase" of the 2 witnesses.
The Revelation 11:1-2 "measure the temple" (John is the young man) equals the Zechariah 2:3-5 "measure Jerusalem" verse... making Jerusalem itself the temple of God... so a wing of the temple is some part of Jerusalem.
And so, the devil and his locusts have a void to fill... rulership of merchants, and the coin will probably be the image of the dragon... render the coin with Caesar's image on it to Caesar... and while you're at it, render worship to this Caesar-guy, too.

The king of the north (who is also Paul's man of sin and the beast out of the sea) is possessed by a past dead roman leader and when this happens after the king of the north is healed from his mortal wound. The king of the north becomes the beast out of the sea. The reason in the past for the belief in reincarnation

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The main problem with the belief in aliens and that they exist, is that this idea, needs an outer space. Where planets and other words exist millions of trillions of miles and light years away.

But this (type of creation of outer space, etc..) is not supported by a single verse in The Bible. God's creation is heaven and earth, with a raqia (dome, firmament, expanse) separating two bodies of water.

With the sun, moon (the great created lights) and stars placed in the raqia to give light on the earth.

There is absolutely no mention of an outer space where the sun, moon and stars are place thousands, millions of miles away from earth. And not a single verse stating God created any planets, that also exist in this so called science created outer space.
 
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