Hour of trial on the whole world

Douggg said:

You are talking about philosophy, methodology. I am speaking about a specific interpretation of a specific word, principle, concenpts, and text.

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Right. And you can’t support it hermeneutically or exegetically. You just keep saying that it is what it is.

claninja said:

a “messenger” doesn’t deliver information?

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Apparently they are just types of something.

claninja said:

@jeffweedaman

exactly, it makes no sense to say the messages of revelation 2-3 apply to all Christians, and yet doesn’t apply to any Christians who have lived so far because it’s really only about some future “fig tree generation”.

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I agree with you that Revelations 1-3 applied both to the generation of John's time in specific ways and are lessons for the church of all times, until the Church is one day perfected when the Lord returns again. Does someone suggest that Revelations 1-3 has never applied to Christians until whatever generation happens to be living when the Lord does return, whether that is tomorrow or in a thousand years?

Douggg said:

You say I have not. I say I have. Time to move on.

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From what? I can’t even respond to your argument because you haven’t supported it. I’m not alone. Even folks on your side have said it. So the best I can say is that you’re wrong, but I can’t say why because there’s nothing to respond to.

Douggg said:

From the stalemate.

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Does it come down to what comprises the "the whole world?" Is that they key part of this debate, or is there something else I'm missing?

Maybe we hear the Preterist and Futurist interpretation of "the whole world?" Is it a reference to the entire planet Earth, to the entire inhabited earth, or the entire region of the middle east that is the core of this debate?

Douggg said:

From the stalemate.

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It’s not a stalemate. You have yet to make a move.

Jeffwhosoever said:

Does it come down to what comprises the "the whole world?" Is that they key part of this debate, or is there something else I'm missing?

Maybe we hear the Preterist and Futurist interpretation of "the whole world?" Is it a reference to the entire planet Earth, to the entire inhabited earth, or the entire region of the middle east that is the core of this debate?

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I don’t see how that fits in with what now is no debate. He says there are seven types of Christians, yet hasn’t shown it from scripture.

Hammster said:

I don’t see how that fits in with what now is no debate. He says there are seven types of Christians, yet hasn’t shown it from scripture.

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I was attempting to return to the OP and get away from the tangential discussion of 7 types of Christians. I thought focusing on your and Doug's interpretations of the OP verse might get the thread back on track to its original purpose.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Since we have many smart people in this thread, does anyone know where I can find a Preterist's guide to interpretation of the Olivet Discourse? A paper or something I can find on the internet? I have Steve Gregg's book on 4 Views of Revelation, but I wish he would have added a section on "4 views of the Olivet Discourse". There may not be such a thing, but surely there is a paper on how Preterists understand the Olivet Discourse (or Postmillenials). I've learned a good bit by studying these threads, but I can't get the big picture all together by studying bits and pieces of one verse at a time of the Olivet Discourse.

Jeffwhosoever said:

I was attempting to return to the OP and get away from the tangential discussion of 7 types of Christians. I thought focusing on your and Doug's interpretations of the OP verse might get the thread back on track to its original purpose.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

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That’s the Roman Empire, based on how the word is used throughout scripture.

I did a Google search for "The Entire World" "Roman Empire" and "Matthew 24" and found this right off the bat. I haven't read it to know whose eschatology it supports so there is no selection bias in this citation:

'In all the world' - are Matthew 24:14 & Colossians 1:6 talking about the same scope?