Ungodly Australians

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

DamianWarS said:
So X group is superstitious according to Y group and Y group is superstitious according to X group?

Obviously. Unless you think that a belief in Brahma or Apistotookii or Banaitja is entirely rational (all creators of the world). I don't. But you might.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

dqhall said:
Atheist Chinese communist immigrants?

You have me confused...

dqhall · Jun 28, 2022

disciple Clint said:
being gay or transgender is not a sin

Wrong.

Leviticus 18:22 “‘You shall not lie with a man as with a woman. That is detestable.”

In Leviticus 20, they recommended killing homosexuals.

I disagree with the death penalty for homosexuals, while I do not recommend homosexuality.

DamianWarS · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
Obviously. Unless you think that a belief in Brahma or Apistotookii or Banaitja is entirely rational (all creators of the world). I don't. But you might.

superstition then is completely subjective which would make it unproductive in an argument and more akin to name-calling.

trophy33 · Jun 28, 2022

dqhall said:
Atheist Chinese communist immigrants?

Not just China, also India, Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Malaysia...

Australia has pursued an official policy of multiculturalism, and there has been a large and continuing wave of immigration from across the world, with Asia being the largest source of immigrants in the 21st century.
Immigration to Australia - Wikipedia

Its logical that the percentage of the Christian population (and of European traditions) will be lower and lower in time. Considering its location and natural immigration, its practically inevitable for Australia to become another Asian country, sooner or later.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

DamianWarS said:
superstition then is completely subjective which would make it unproductive in an argument and more akin to name-calling.

It's not an argument. It's an opinion. A position. It's a rejection of the basis by which someone else has a belief in something that one considers to be irrational.

I think that belief in Banaitja is not a rational one. I assume that you do as well. That's our opinion. But I'm sure we could give arguments for it if required.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

dqhall said:
Atheist Chinese communist immigrants?

Ah, the penny just dropped. You mean that immigration is part of the reason. I guess it might have some effect.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

myst33 said:
Not just China, also India, Philippines, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Malaysia...

Australia has pursued an official policy of multiculturalism, and there has been a large and continuing wave of immigration from across the world, with Asia being the largest source of immigrants in the 21st century.
Immigration to Australia - Wikipedia

Its logical that the percentage of the Christian population (and of European traditions) will be lower and lower in time. Considering its location and natural immigration, its practically inevitable for Australia to become another Asian country, sooner or later.

We class ourselves as part of Asia in any case. Or Australasia to be more specific.

trophy33 · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
We class ourselves as part of Asia in any case. Or Australasia to be more specific.

Near you are communist countries (China, Vietnam), muslim countries (Indonesia, Philippines, India etc), hinduist countries (India)....

So, if the natural change of the population will continue to the year lets say 2100, there is a possibility Australia will be either a communist or a muslim country. You judge if its an optimistic trend, for you personally, or if Christian Australia was better.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

myst33 said:
Near you are communist countries (China, Vietnam), muslim countries (Indonesia, Philippines, India etc), hinduist countries (India)....

So, if the natural change of the population will continue to the year lets say 2100, there is a possibility Australia will be either a communist or a muslim country. You judge if its an optimistic trend, for you personally.

These are figures from a few years ago (2015) but I'm sure the rates will be roughly the same:

'Among the top ten source countries of permanent migrants (excluding New Zealand), in this group, there were two countries with predominantly Muslim populations: Pakistan with 8,281 (4.4%) and Malaysia with 3,977 (2.1%). So the number of migrants to Australia from majority Muslim countries was dwarfed by the number of from India 34,874 (18.4%), China 27,872 (14.7%) and the United Kingdom 21,078 (11.1%).' Australia is in danger of being swamped by Muslims? The numbers tell a different story

So no, there's no vast immigration of Muslims. And the third highest intake was from the Philippines. Which is not Muslim as you stated, but over 90% Christian. Add those to the immigrants from the UK (predominantly Christian) and the overall influx is biased towards Christianity. Yet the percentage is still dropping.

And we have a democracy here. If anyone wants us to become communist then they can join the Australian Communist Party. They need all the help they can get. The last election they ran for was in 2010 and they got around 0.01% of the votes. So...some work to be done there. And they were going to run again in 2017 but didn't have the 500 members they needed by the Electoral Commission.

So no...we won't be Communist either.

trophy33 · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
These are figures from a few years ago (2015) but I'm sure the rates will be roughly the same:

'Among the top ten source countries of permanent migrants (excluding New Zealand), in this group, there were two countries with predominantly Muslim populations: Pakistan with 8,281 (4.4%) and Malaysia with 3,977 (2.1%). So the number of migrants to Australia from majority Muslim countries was dwarfed by the number of from India 34,874 (18.4%), China 27,872 (14.7%) and the United Kingdom 21,078 (11.1%).' Australia is in danger of being swamped by Muslims? The numbers tell a different story

So no, there's no vast immigration of Muslims. And the third highest intake was from the Philippines. Which is not Muslim as you stated, but over 90% Christian. Add those to the immigrants from the UK (predominantly Christian) and the overall influx is biased towards Christianity. Yet the percentage is still dropping.

And we have a democracy here. If anyone wants us to become communist then they can join the Australian Communist Party. They need all the help they can get. The last election they ran for was in 2010 and they got around 0.001% of the votes. So...some work to be done there. And they were going to run again in 2017 but didn't have the 500 members they needed by the Electoral Commission.

So no...we won't be Communist either.

I was not talking about how it is today, in 2022. I was talking about your location and which countries are nearest. I am not even saying that it must be worse or better for you. But I think its quite certain that Australia will change significantly in the future.

OK, I did not know that Philippines are a Christian country. India has quite a large muslim minority, so it depends which parts will emigrate.

Bradskii · Jun 28, 2022

myst33 said:
I was not talking about how it is today, in 2022. I was talking about your location and which countries are nearest.

Assuming the rates from each country remains roughly the same, then your proposal has been addressed in some detail. And people don't emigrate because it's not too far to get to. They're not coming on a donkey. Distance has no bearing on it.

trophy33 · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
Assuming the rates from each country remains roughly the same, then your proposal has been addressed in some detail. And people don't emigrate because it's not too far to get to. They're not coming on a donkey. Distance has no bearing on it.

I am not assuming any rates or numbers. Just simply looking at your surroundings and what is natural to happen, sooner or later.

Its only natural that Christian and European traditions in Australia will gradually change into something else, whatever it may be.

But maybe I am mistaken and something unexpected will happen in the future. Who knows.

DamianWarS · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
It's not an argument. It's an opinion. A position. It's a rejection of the basis by which someone else has a belief in something that one considers to be irrational.

I think that belief in Banaitja is not a rational one. I assume that you do as well. That's our opinion. But I'm sure we could give arguments for it if required.

my point still remains, which is commenting on your quoted definition of superstition. If you hold to that definition then the term would be unproductive in an exchange of opposing opinions (what I carelessly called an argument) because it is innately subjective to you but not to the opposing opinion that you're calling superstitious. X is superstitious to Y and Y is superstitious to X and we both seemed to conclude that matter of factly. This seems to work so long as you're not X but that's not how subjectivity works.

DamianWarS · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
We class ourselves as part of Asia in any case. Or Australasia to be more specific.

I consider myself to be Asian too... or Caucasian to be more specific

hislegacy · Jun 28, 2022

Bradskii said:
Something that has evolved over two thousand years is found by most to now be less than relevant. My two kids have a large circle of friends and from what I know of them I would bet that none of them are in any way religious. And most of them, including my two, went to Catholic schools.

Does that surprise you? Our children learn early on what their parents consider important and focus on. They carry that into teen years and then it has great influence on their adult years. Frankly I would be surprised if a child growing up in an Atheist home would follow Christ or hang out with anyone who does.

That is not a value statement - just "birds of a feather".

hislegacy · Jun 28, 2022

According to the World Book:

Today, 25.3% of the population are Roman Catholic, 18.7% are Christians, and 17.1% are Anglican Christians.

That would make 61.1% Identifying as Christian.

hislegacy · Jun 28, 2022

stevil said:
Atheists don't tend to discriminate. Many atheists have Christian friends.

I don't tend to believe that. I have in real life and here on CF found some Atheist to be very discriminating. Some even to the point of mocking Christianity and calling it fables and fairy tale stories - which in and of itself in not showing an openness. Some - certainly not a majority are to the point of being Christophobic in nature, or just take a passive aggressive approach in cheering the decline of Christianity.

None of that speaks tolerance, nor friendship.

tampasteve · Jun 28, 2022

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