Christian belief on Origins as per the Bible

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This is the most accurate visual model we currently have of the motion of our solar system, and it would be quite difficult for God to explain the creation account from this point of view to the original audience of the time


on the contrary it would be VERRRYY easy to say "first I created the Sun then many years later I created the Earth and many years later I created plants".

The idea that the above sentence was farrr too difficult to convey to humans -- so what we got instead is "Genesis 1" which is not to be believed... " -- is a huge leap


That proposal is more difficult to "believe" than anything in Genesis 1
 
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Not really when you consider just a small sunspot that formed the other day was the size of 3 earths.
Yes, really.
Flareups are temporary bursts of energy not a constant burn over "millions of years". The evolutionists keep changing the age and birth of the universe by billions of years. There's no way our technology or even "Math" by itself can give solid proof it is remotely that old.
 
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There's no way our technology or even "Math" by itself can give solid proof it is remotely that old.
And if the furthest seen by the new telescope is supposedly 13.6 billion light years away, then for all we know the universe came to an end eons ago. lol
 
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That is always the convenient comeback when dealing with literal creation.

agreed.. easy and obvious and inline with the text.

So why do creationists who wish to take it literal have to fall back on God works in mysterious ways when literal doesn't cut it?

Literal light, literal evening and morning for each single day - for each single rotation of earth... works ... how is that "not working"???

7 literal days - also confirmed in the form of "legal code" in scripture... Ex 20:11

Or did you find a text saying "The sun was shining before the sun was created"? as your post appears to presume? If so it would be nice to at least point to such a text.
 
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And if the furthest seen by the new telescope is supposedly 13.6 billion light years away, then for all we know the universe came to an end eons ago. lol

You say "LOL" but in fact that is exactly what science predicts about events that are light years away - we will not feel the physical effects of whatever is happening at that location before the time it takes for light from that point in space to reach us.
 
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we will not feel the physical effects of whatever is happening at that location before the time it takes for light from that point in space to reach us.
So existence will not blink out but only, depending on where life is in the universe, when it reaches them like in the Never Ending Story. Considering it hasn't even been 2000 years, no wonder the new Kingdom hasn't reached us yet.
 
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So existence will not blink out but only, depending on where life is in the universe

So affects of the vanishing universe that you speculated - would not be felt on Earth until enough time had elapsed for light to get here from wherever you speculate that it ceased to exist.

Considering it hasn't even been 2000 years, no wonder the new Kingdom hasn't reached us yet.

I don't know of any science that measures "what God can do" - so when you mix in what God might do in the universe with what science predicts when God is not doing anything -- then I think you may be misunderstanding the point entirely.
 
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on the contrary it would be VERRRYY easy to say "first I created the Sun then many years later I created the Earth and many years later I created plants".

The idea that the above sentence was farrr too difficult to convey to humans -- so what we got instead is "Genesis 1" which is not to be believed... " -- is a huge leap

That proposal is more difficult to "believe" than anything in Genesis 1

It would be difficult for people to understand heliocentrism, given that it wasn't discovered until hundreds of years later.

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It would be difficult for people to understand heliocentrism, given that it wasn't discovered until hundreds of years later.

And of course that (heliocentrism) too was a flawed tossed-out-the-window option as well. But it didn't stop them from knowing what a 7 day week was/is.
 
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And of course that (heliocentrism) too was a flawed tossed-out-the-window option as well. But it didn't stop them from knowing what a 7 day week was/is.

You don't believe in heliocentrism?
 
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You don't believe in heliocentrism?

Do you?

"Heliocentrism[a] is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the universe."

A lot of us today - do not believe that our Sun is at the center of the universe. People used to believe that.. they were wrong of course.. but they still knew what a 7 day week was.
 
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Do you?

"Heliocentrism[a] is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the universe."

A lot of us today - do not believe that our Sun is at the center of the universe. People used to believe that.. they were wrong of course.. but they still knew what a 7 day week was.

Not sure where you got that definition.
heliocentrism, a cosmological model in which the Sun is assumed to lie at or near a central point (e.g., of the solar system or of the universe) while the Earth and other bodies revolve around it.
heliocentrism | Definition, History, & Facts

I would say that, the authors of Genesis, given that they weren't familiar with things beyond geocentrism, suggests that their understanding of creation was limited in perspective. The authors of Genesis, in short, did not have Godly knowledge of creation. And we see that in Genesis with adjectives that suggest belief in a solid dome over the land.
 
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