Truck Driver Rams Into Abortion Rights Demonstrators At Roe Rally In Iowa

Aldebaran said:

It reminded me of those Russian dash cam videos where people run up to cars, jump up on the hood and then slide down on the ground to make it look as if the car had hit them, and then claiming they are the victim. In this case, they let the news reporters do the filming and narrative-creating for them.

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I saw the video of the incident on the news last night. What I saw was the SUV going through the crowd, not hitting anyone, and several protesters deliberately getting in front of the vehicle, putting themselves in harm's way as part of their protest. The vehicle slowed down and continued, sweeping the protesters aside. The initial news report was misleading where it said that a truck had slammed into a group of protesters at speed. That's not what happened in the video.

Just as a side note: When I see pictures of the abortion protest, I wonder how many lesbian protestors are involved? Makes me wonder why they are protesting when abortion may not be a direct issue for them. Just asking the question...

GoldenBoy89 said:

Where did you get they’re aiming a gun at anyone? I said they can use their gun in self defense against the driver of the truck trying to drive through the protesters.

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But if a person is not directly threatened by the truck driving slowly through the group, as it was, and deliberately got in front of the truck and fired the gun, wouldn't that person be committing a criminal act and not self defence?

Watchman1 said:

But if a person is not directly threatened by the truck driving slowly through the group, as it was, and deliberately got in front of the truck and fired the gun, wouldn't that person be committing a criminal act and not self defence?

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Idk. People have a right to own a gun and use it. That’s not true for cars, though.

Watchman1 said:

Just as a side note: When I see pictures of the abortion protest, I wonder how many lesbian protestors are involved? Makes me wonder why they are protesting when abortion may not be a direct issue for them. Just asking the question...

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This has to be a troll because if not it’s frightening that you have to ask that question because that means you don’t understand empathy.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Idk. People have a right to own a gun and use it. That’s not true for cars, though.

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Not to use it as a form of protest when the person is not directly threatened. I didn't see anyone directly threatened by the vehicle, but I did see a group of protestors attacking the vehicle to try and stop it continuing on its way.

1. The truck was moving slow enough that the person in front was able to walk backwards fast enough to avoid being run over.
2. A swarm of people are seen attacking the truck throughout the video.
3. At the end of the video, the traffic light is just turning yellow … making it green when the truck drove through the intersection and all those people were blocking the road.

I have no idea what all of the details of this story are, but this story made no effort to present them. This is a political narrative piece twisting facts to fit a predetermined story. The police investigation will not confirm the journalist narrative.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

This has to be a troll because if not it’s frightening that you have to ask that question because that means you don’t understand empathy.

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I am just commenting on what I saw in the video. All I saw was a vehicle trying to pass through a group of protesters who were blocking the road.

Also, it is interesting to see the same type of people protesting this time, as at other times when the protest has been against something else. It seems to me that many of the protesters look like "professional" protesters who will protest against anything just for the sake of protesting.

I made the remark about lesbian protesting against the right to abortion, because I can't see how they would ever been in a position where they would need one, if you know what I mean.

I am not trolling. I'm just commenting on what I see as what they actually are.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Where did you get they’re aiming a gun at anyone? I said they can use their gun in self defense against the driver of the truck trying to drive through the protesters.

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If you are attempting to shoot at a person that person has the right to defend oneself by any means necessary.

atpollard said:

1. The truth was moving slow enough that the person in front was able to walk backwards fast enough to avoid being run over.
2. A swarm of people are seen attacking the truck throughout the video.
3. At the end of the video, the traffic light is just turning yellow … making it green when the truck drove through the intersection and all those people were blocking the road.

I have no idea what all of the details of this story are, but this story made no effort to present them. This is a political narrative piece twisting facts to fit a predetermined story. The police investigation will not confirm the journalist narrative.

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True.

grasping the after wind said:

If you are attempting to shoot at a person that person has the right to defend oneself by any means necessary.

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The driver of the vehicle wasn't shooting at anyone. He was wanting just to drive down the street because he had somewhere to go and didn't want to be hindered by a group of protesters blocking the public road. The protesters were breaking the law by being in the middle of the road instead of crossing it on a pedestrian crossing. If the vehicle was damaged, the driver could report the particular protesters for wilful damage under the appropriate crimes act.

Watchman1 said:

I am just commenting on what I saw in the video. All I saw was a vehicle trying to pass through a group of protesters who were blocking the road.

Also, it is interesting to see the same type of people protesting this time, as at other times when the protest has been against something else. It seems to me that many of the protesters look like "professional" protesters who will protest against anything just for the sake of protesting.

I made the remark about lesbian protesting against the right to abortion, because I can't see how they would ever been in a position where they would need one, if you know what I mean.

I am not trolling. I'm just commenting on what I see as what they actually are.

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People can actually care about other people going through something they will never go through. You don’t have to just care about things that can happen to you directly. It’s called empathy. It’s something most people learn along the way. I used to joke that Christianity doesn’t teach empathy but it was only a joke. If you are for real with this question, than my joke isn’t a joke.

Watchman1 said:

The driver of the vehicle wasn't shooting at anyone. He was wanting just to drive down the street because he had somewhere to go and didn't want to be hindered by a group of protesters blocking the public road. The protesters were breaking the law by being in the middle of the road instead of crossing it on a pedestrian crossing. If the vehicle was damaged, the driver could report the particular protesters for wilful damage under the appropriate crimes act.

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You obviously have not been following the earlier part of the conversation I was responding to. What I posted there has nothing to do with the real life incident that the OP is about but a hypothetical situation invented by another poster.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

People can actually care about other people going through something they will never go through. You don’t have to just care about things that can happen to you directly. It’s called empathy. It’s something most people learn along the way. I used to joke that Christianity doesn’t teach empathy but it was only a joke. If you are for real with this question, than my joke isn’t a joke.

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We can argue the theoretical points until the cows come home, but the video evidence shows clearly that no protester was directly threatened or harmed by the vehicle which was driving along the public road, slowly to come to a stop at the red light, and then continuing on its way when the light turned green. It was the vehicle that was going on its lawful way, while the protesters were engaged in unlawful acts.

grasping the after wind said:

You obviously have not been following the earlier part of the conversation I was responding to. What I posted there has nothing to do with the real life incident that the OP is about but a hypothetical situation invented by another poster.

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Okay.

Watchman1 said:

We can argue the theoretical points until the cows come home, but the video evidence shows clearly that no protester was directly threatened or harmed by the vehicle which was driving along the public road, slowly to come to a stop at the red light, and then continuing on its way when the light turned green. It was the vehicle that was going on its lawful way, while the protesters were engaged in unlawful acts.

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I’m not arguing the video. I m explaining why a lesbian would be at a pro-choice protest.

Watchman1 said:

We can argue the theoretical points until the cows come home, but the video evidence shows clearly that no protester was directly threatened or harmed by the vehicle which was driving along the public road, slowly to come to a stop at the red light, and then continuing on its way when the light turned green. It was the vehicle that was going on its lawful way, while the protesters were engaged in unlawful acts.

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I guess that we will see, one way or t’other depending on whether the truck driver gets charged or not.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

I’m not arguing the video. I m explaining why a lesbian would be at a pro-choice protest.

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Okay.

BravoM said:

Were they in the street?
Protestors can't block streets or highways. If they are using it and cars start to come through they MUST move. If not and block traffic they are in the wrong and whatever happens....happens and is their fault.
Here, he is at fault. According to the article they were crossing the street and he was the one who did wrong.
There are many examples of people who did wrong in their protest.

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Are you sure that's the law in Iowa? Because in some states, pedestrian traffic *always* has the right of way.

I'm not taking the side of the driver.
According to the article the protesters were "crossing the street" and by that they had a signal and time.
IDK the law in Iowa but I'm pretty sure nowhere in America can one person or a group just run out onto the street whenever they want.
There is video of people on highways blocking them. Blocking streets that aren't for the protest and won't move when the light changes. In these two instances they are in the wrong.

BravoM said:

I'm not taking the side of the driver.
According to the article the protesters were "crossing the street" and by that they had a signal and time.
IDK the law in Iowa but I'm pretty sure nowhere in America can one person or a group just run out onto the street whenever they want.
There is video of people on highways blocking them. Blocking streets that aren't for the protest and won't move when the light changes. In these two instances they are in the wrong.

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You're wrong about that. Here in California, the pedestrian always has the right of way, no matter what.