Is Lucy the scientific "Eve"?

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Lucy (Australopithecus) - Wikipedia

Did human beings all descend from her (or her relatives)?

I haven't taken a science course since 2014, so my memory is a bit fuzzy, so please bear with me.

I find evolution fascinating. I wonder what our race will look like even several centuries from now!

Riley
And, God said.....

"Let us make up a story about creating man in our image."
 
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And, God said.....

"Let us make up a story about creating man in our image."
This isn't stories per se. This is science as they teach us. Or indoctrinate us. I am not scientist, and I am not saying I believe Lucy is the "scientific" Eve or not.

I trust in God and his promises.
 
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This isn't stories per se. This is science as they teach us. Or indoctrinate us. I am not scientist, and I am not saying I believe Lucy is the "scientific" Eve or not.

I trust in God and his promises.
I had a friend who was attending a college. The professor gave permission that I could sit in the class. As we listened the professor was making stuff up to fit a possible reason for why human hair appears on the human body. It was inventive and silly. But? If you did not believe and know God? It would have given someone a hook to hang their doubt on.
 
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I had a friend who was attending a college. The professor gave permission that I could sit in the class. As we listened the professor was making stuff up to fit a possible reason for why human hair appears on the human body. It was inventive and silly. But? If you did not believe and know God? It would have given someone a hook to hang their doubt on.
that's scary! Lord, have mercy
 
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that's scary! Lord, have mercy

The Lord gives mercy to those who show mercy....

Those who show mercy have the Lord's influence on their life.

There is so much going on behind the scenes involving angels and the Lord that we are sometimes left wondering why things turn out as they do. The book of Job is a good example of how we only see the tip of the iceberg.
 
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Lucy (Australopithecus) - Wikipedia

Did human beings all descend from her (or her relatives)?

I haven't taken a science course since 2014, so my memory is a bit fuzzy, so please bear with me.

I find evolution fascinating. I wonder what our race will look like even several centuries from now!

Riley

Scientifically - yes. They had her fossils on display here in Houston over a decade ago. They even aired commercials about it, quite often, while she was on display in various cities here in the states and the DNA connection to all humans. (Can not find those commercials either.) Did she actually look like what they assume she did? They are not absolutely sure - assumptions.
Considering scientifically, migrations of the homo erectus, ancestors of the neanderthal, and the homo sapien, all come from Africa -THE EASTERN SIDE. God created a garden in the EAST of Eden.

Biblically - she could be, I feel since God call the Earth to bring forth the animals first, when he formed man from the dust of the Earth he used the same design that he did for one particular animal, he just changed genetic differences / chromosomes a tad - and breathe the breath of Life into man who became a living soul. That is why "I say" she could be, God could have possibly used a female from the lineage of Lucy, changed her genetic traits and chromosomes. "I feel" Adam and Eve were here hundreds of thousands of human years before their fall. After all the Tree of Life was in the center of the garden and the fruit of the Tree of Life gave the imperfect humans bodies immortality, that is why God put them out of the garden and guarded it, so that they wouldn't eat from the tree of Life again and LIVE FOREVER.
And there was angelic tampering according to Genesis 6. So do we really know what man and woman actually, absolutely looked like when God formed them?

Human / Ape chromosome differences

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...humans-and-other-primates-pervade-the-genome/

What Do Primates Have in Common? Humans & Our Cousins | AMNH

Scripture says man was made in God's image - what does that mean? Physical form? If the answer is yes for physical form, then any of the primates have the same type physical form. I personally "think" in his/their image is the spirit, the thinking process of the brain, knowledge to know right from wrong. After the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge was eaten, God made the statement man has BECOME as one of us.

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I have already submitted an answer to it I just discovered.
 
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Scientifically - yes. They had her fossils on display here in Houston over a decade ago. According to scientific analysis of her DNA
We do not have any DNA extracted from the remains of Lucy to analyze.
 
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We do not have any DNA extracted from the remains of Lucy to analyze.
This is most likely correct. It has probably all rotted away considering how much time has passed. DNA does not last forever.
 
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We do not have any DNA extracted from the remains of Lucy to analyze.

I read in an article in the late 90's / early 2000s they had found DNA - which is rare. The Ethiopian government stopped them from any farther research because they were fearful that they would destroy some of the fossil. This was in the newspaper!
Now I can't find that information concerning any DNA from Lucy but
'Lucy' Predecessor Turns Back The Clock On Walking.
As it is with all things today - if you don't have evidence then it's not true. So since I can't find it I will retract my statement concerning the DNA of Lucy.
 
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I read in an article in the late 90's / early 2000s they had found DNA - which is rare.
No one has successfully recovered and sequenced DNA from any sample anywhere close to that old, and the oldest successful samples come from remains from the far north, where the DNA has been preserved by the cold. (Also, ancient DNA sequencing was much more primitive 20 years ago.) So, regardless of what someone might have claimed to have done, it's highly unlikely that DNA was ever successfully recovered from Lucy.
So since I can't find it I will retract my statement concerning the DNA of Lucy.
Commendable.
 
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No one has successfully recovered and sequenced DNA from any sample anywhere close to that old, and the oldest successful samples come from remains from the far north, where the DNA has been preserved by the cold. (Also, ancient DNA sequencing was much more primitive 20 years ago.) So, regardless of what someone might have claimed to have done, it's highly unlikely that DNA was ever successfully recovered from Lucy.

Commendable.


I didn't have any reason to disbelieve those reports, why lie about it. In the article they actually explained what they did - Above my level of knowledge.

Not saying this is what they said they did but the knowledge was around 20 years ago.

Ancient DNA research goes nuclear

China is an extremely hot and dry and extremely cold country - and they expect to extract DNA from 125 million year old dinosaur fossil - wish them the best.

These 125 million-year-old fossils may hold dinosaur DNA


Extracting ancient DNA
 
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I didn't have any reason to disbelieve those reports, why lie about it. In the article they actually explained what they did - Above my level of knowledge.
I'm not accusing anyone of lying -- I'm trying to explain what's possible with ancient DNA. I don't work with ancient DNA but I'm a geneticist who has followed the field and who has worked with some of the key players. The field has a substantial history of researchers being too optimistic about what they were doing.
Not saying this is what they said they did but the knowledge was around 20 years ago.

Ancient DNA research goes nuclear
The techniques needed to handle ancient nuclear DNA were just being developed 20 years ago, mostly by those working on the Neanderthal genome. That such techniques were needed only became clear as they were doing the work -- this is really hard stuff to do.
China is an extremely hot and dry and extremely cold country - and they expect to extract DNA from 125 million year old dinosaur fossil - wish them the best.
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
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One of the most basic doctrines of the Christian (and Catholic) faith is that we were created in the image of God and posess a soul. Animals were created separately and differently. There is no way to theologically reconcile that with a theory of man evolving from apes.

Since God is a spirit, and as Jesus says, a spirit does not have a body, the image is in our minds and souls, not in our physical appearance. Humans evolved from other primates. We still are primates. If Jesus told the truth, there is no way to reconcile that with the idea of God having a physical resemblance to a human.
 
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