The Omen Trilogy

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

What do you think of these films, from a Biblical POV?

Why did Hollywood decide to make this trilogy about the antichrist. According to historians of theology the whole Biblical teaching about the Anti-Christ had dropped right out of view during the 19th century. Then in the 1970s there was the Rapture movies such as a Thief in the Night and its sequels, and from Hollywood - The Omen Trilogy. I think the latter are just a horror, suspense franchise - with a Bible verse or two thrown in, not intended to accurately reflect Biblical teaching.

Watching the first Omen at a fairly young age I found it very disturbing. Particularly I didn't like the idea of Damien being pre-ordained and just having to accept that destiny. That is one thing I would like to discuss, if there is going to be a anti-christ in the sense of a single individual - (which some theologies such as protestant historicism would disagree with - believing that the Man of Sin doesn't refer to one individual but a dynasty). But if there is going to be a single individual is there any choice of their own involved, or must they just accept that is their destiny?

Carl Emerson · Jun 26, 2022

It seems that Judas had such a destiny...

Pavel Mosko · Jun 26, 2022

The movies are fun but are as much about the prophecies of Nostradamus as anything from the book of Revelation! Lots of literalism with the 666 stuff, something that is almost certainly more symbolic.

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

Carl Emerson said:
It seems that Judas had such a destiny...

Yes I was thinking about that, but did he not have any choice? - In John's Gospel it says Satan entered into Judas at a certain point, during the last supper.

Leaning back against Jesus, he asked, “Lord, who is it?” 26 Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I give this morsel after I have dipped it.” Then He dipped the morsel and gave it to Judas son of Simon Iscariot. 27 And when Judas had taken the morsel, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus said to Judas, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”…

John 13

Elliot's Commentary has this:

"When John asked the question, [Jesus] was about to give the morsel to Judas. He avoids the name, and makes the act which He is about to perform convey the answer to the question. That act is the token of friendship and love which even now would redeem the heart full of treachery, if that heart would but receive it. (Comp. John 13:18.) . . ."

BobRyan · Jun 26, 2022

dms1972 said:
What do you think of these films, from a Biblical POV?

Why did Hollywood decide to make this trilogy about the antichrist. According to historians of theology the whole Biblical teaching about the Anti-Christ had dropped right out of view during the 19th century. Then in the 1970s there was the Rapture movies such as a Thief in the Night and its sequels, and from Hollywood - The Omen Trilogy. I think the latter are just a horror, suspense franchise - with a Bible verse or two thrown in, not intended to accurately reflect Biblical teaching.

Watching the first Omen at a fairly young age I found it very disturbing. Particularly I didn't like the idea of Damien being pre-ordained and just having to accept that destiny. That is one thing I would like to discuss, if there is going to be a anti-christ in the sense of a single individual - (which some theologies such as protestant historicism would disagree with - believing that the Man of Sin doesn't refer to one individual but a dynasty). But if there is going to be a single individual is there any choice of their own involved, or must they just accept that is their destiny?

These are the only texts in the entire Bible that mention the term "antichrist"

1 John 2:18,21
1 John 4:3
2 John 1:7

But a lot of people accept the idea that Matt 24, Rev 13 (second beast of that chapter) and 2 Thess 2 -- give a detailed description of him.

Ultimately he will be Satan himself. And Satan is already totally sold out for doing max evil on Earth

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

Pavel Mosko said:
The movies are fun but are as much about the prophecies of Nostradamus as anything from the book of Revelation! Lots of literalism with the 666 stuff, something that is almost certainly more symbolic.

Yes the whole 666 birth mark thing was very literal.

They don't ever refer to Nostradamus though, not even a quote, so are you quite sure?

Pavel Mosko · Jun 26, 2022

dms1972 said:
They don't ever refer to Nostradamus though, not even a quote, so are you quite sure?

Yeah but that may be more for the 2nd or 3rd movie. There is something about "the Angel Isle" that is England.

timothyu · Jun 26, 2022

Today corporations have taken over the roles of national governments to create the perfect scenario for a Damien, but that wouldn't have made for an entertaining movie rather than the evil Marvel like universe proclaimed in the Omen. Better to believe in outside forces than those within ourselves.

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

I was reading that director Richard Donner wanted the film to be more ambigious and leave it up to the viewer to decide whether or not Damien was the Antichrist. Script writer David Seltzer wanted it left in no doubt, and eventually Producer Harvey Bernard opted for Seltzer's interpretation.

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

Pavel Mosko said:
Yeah but that may be more for the 2nd or 3rd movie. There is something about "the Angel Isle" that is England.

Yes, was that from Nostradamus?

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

Here's some background about how they came to make the trilogy.

The Omen - Wikipedia

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

In the titles to the first movie and I think some posters, Damien is depicted with the shadow of a cross coming from him - I never could make any sense of that - but it always has puzzled me? In some other movie posters his shadow is that of a jackal - which makes a lot more sense given what we are told in the story about his birth.

Pavel Mosko · Jun 26, 2022

dms1972 said:
In the titles to the first movie, Damien is depicted with the shadow of a cross coming from him - I never could make any sense of that? In the movie poster his shadow is that of a jackal - which makes a lot more sense given what we are told in the story.

Incidentally I was reminded of them remaking the first movie in 2006 when I was surfing YouTube late last year. I don't think the remark really caught on... And was easily forgotten..

I did kind of enjoy a series about a female antichrist that ABC back in the early 2000s. Took me a while to remember the name, Point Pleasant. I was going to re-watch it on DVD but Netflix stopped carrying it. Kind of a rare series since it got cancelled early. The pilot episode and a few videos are on YouTube.

timothyu · Jun 26, 2022

Pavel Mosko said:
I did kind of enjoy a series about a female antichrist that ABC back in the early 2000s.

Equal rights and all that. After all, Eve was given star billing in the Garden.

BravoM · Jun 26, 2022

There are so many genres in film it's mind blowing.
I grew up on various film eras including black and white (horror), 50's alien horror/scifi, and horror in general.
It's not a bad genre. The same minds that gave us "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" that was somewhat based off a real person also gave us "The Passion of the Christ". They can show us the minds of people who are for and against God. Who think their faith is strong when in reality it is weak; "The Exorcist".
I've spent many years in enjoying and learning about film.
God made us so special and unique on a level most don't understand. Even bad movies have a story to tell (Sharnknado 1-5).
IMO, one could watch an "evil" movie and still learn a lot from it. If Hollywood is even remotely right on exorcisms, the effect on the body, and how they are done then that should scary everyone.

dms1972 · Jun 26, 2022

Pavel Mosko said:
Incidentally I was reminded of them remaking the first movie in 2006 when I was surfing YouTube late last year. I don't think the remark really caught on... And was easily forgotten..

I did kind of enjoy a series about a female antichrist that ABC back in the early 2000s. Took me a while to remember the name, Point Pleasant. I was going to re-watch it on DVD but Netflix stopped carrying it. Kind of a rare series since it got cancelled early. The pilot episode and a few videos are on YouTube.

There was also Omen Four!! But it was a bit daft.

When you say "remark" are you refering to the image of Damien with the shadow of a cross? What was that supposed to represent? I wasn't sure I understood it? I assumed it was just a juxtiposition they came up with, without intending people to read anything into it - or was the cross meant to mean Damien was behind the various deaths in the film? Sorry I am a bit thick.

timothyu · Jun 26, 2022

BravoM said:
If Hollywood is even remotely right on exorcisms, the effect on the body, and how they are done then that should scary everyone.

Yes, authourity has always sought ways to keep the masses afraid and willing to follow or evil will overcome them. More of those comedies should be made considering it is evil that says it will protect us from itself . You lifetime has been all about that, especially now.

BravoM · Jun 26, 2022

timothyu said:
Yes, authourity has always sought ways to keep the masses afraid and willing to follow. You lifetime has been all about that, especially now.

I would say a good half of people who witnessed an exorcism would take out their phone to record a selfie with it on social media.

Pavel Mosko · Jun 26, 2022

dms1972 said:
There was also Omen Four!! But it was a bit daft.

When you say "remark" are you refering to the image of Damien with the shadow of a cross? What was that supposed to represent? I wasn't sure I understood it? I assumed it was just a juxtiposition they came up with - or was the cross meant to mean Damien was behind the various deaths in the film?

No that was a typo should have been "remake".

BravoM · Jun 26, 2022

dms1972 said:
There was also Omen Four!! But it was a bit daft.

When you say "remark" are you refering to the image of Damien with the shadow of a cross? What was that supposed to represent? I wasn't sure I understood it?

IDK if you remember but the 2nd Doctor (Doctor Who) Patrick Troughton was the priest.

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