Senate Republicans try to head off attempts to include women in the military draft

HARK! said:

“Women have served in and alongside the Armed Forces since our nation’s founding,” the lawmakers wrote. “While American men are required to register for the military draft and fight if needed, these requirements have never been applied to American women. Where they have fought, they have done so freely.”

“This approach has served our nation well, and it retains broad bipartisan support,” they said.

Mr. Hawley, Missouri Republican, was joined in the letter by Sens. Tom Cotton and John Boozman of Arkansas, Marco Rubio of Florida, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Cindy Hyde-Smith and Roger F. Wicker of Mississippi, Steve Daines of Montana, Mike Lee of Utah, Ted Cruz of Texas and James E. Risch of Idaho.


Senate Republicans try to head off attempts to include women in the military draft

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I voted “no” because no one should be forced to go to war. However, if men must be forced women should also be forced. I think that adding women to the draft could be the best way to eliminate it altogether.

What “military draft”?
Did you “hear something”?

Pommer said:

What “military draft”?
Did you “hear something”?

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That's the word being discussed around the water cooler at the military paintball field....

hislegacy said:

Whelp, I am the dinosaur in the room. I believe EVERY young man (physically able to) serve a min of four years in the military. There are things like teamwork, physical fitness, self discipline, honor, following and giving orders and direction, comradery that I don't think is replicated with any other organization.

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There are benefits of military service, although compulsory service would run afoul of our notion of a free society, IMO.

That said, I would suggest a compromise -- open the requirement to able bodied women as well as men, but reduce the requirement to only one year.

Fun fact: famous 80s sex therapist Dr. Ruth Westheimer (who is still alive and working at 94!) was trained by Israeli military as a sniper.



...so let's not underestimate what women are capable of.

TLK Valentine said:

Fun fact: famous 80s sex therapist Dr. Ruth Westheimer (who is still alive and working at 94!) was trained by Israeli military as a sniper.

...so let's not underestimate what women are capable of.

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Apparently, they are to be protected by the strong male, to cook, clean and tend to the kids. You know, their place. Their capabilities have limitations in the brave new world.

I've mentioned conscription in Israel a few times, but nobody seems to care that the Israelis do it.

JustOneWay said:

Apparently, they are to be protected by the strong male, to cook, clean and tend to the kids. You know, their place. Their capabilities have limitations in the brave new world.

I've mentioned conscription in Israel a few times, but nobody seems to care that the Israelis do it.

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Israel is in a uniquely precarious situation, as they are surrounded by hostile nations, and their most obedient lapdog is on the other side of an ocean.

Conscription makes sense for them...

TLK Valentine said:

Israel is in a uniquely precarious situation, as they are surrounded by hostile nations, and their most obedient lapdog is on the other side of an ocean.

Conscription makes sense for them...

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I see. It is good for other nations, but not us. LOL

We have an invasion from the south and caustic poutine from the north. We too are surrounded by hostile nations.

Anyone discussing the fact that it is the Democrats pushing the idea of send woman to war, and the Republicans trying to defend them.
Interesting

TLK Valentine said:

There are benefits of military service, although compulsory service would run afoul of our notion of a free society, IMO.

That said, I would suggest a compromise -- open the requirement to able bodied women as well as men, but reduce the requirement to only one year.

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The draft/conscription obligation was always only one year post-Korean War. That worked when wars were low-tech and draftees were merely cannon fodder.

The modern military's problem is that draftees would not have earned the cost of their induction within a year. It takes that long to train a troop to be adequately effective in modern infantry skills.

Fun fact: famous 80s sex therapist Dr. Ruth Westheimer (who is still alive and working at 94!) was trained by Israeli military as a sniper.

...so let's not underestimate what women are capable of.

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The sniper field actually capitalizes on the uniquely feminine capabilities of women.

I've spoken before about a military-style youth group in which I spent several years as a leader. When we took our teenagers out camping, we played military-style games like midnight "capture the flag."

Here is what I discovered: I could put a teenaged girl into an absolutely dark moon shadow near our flag, tell her to sit quiet and still and just wait for someone from the opposing team to come close enough for her to reach out and tag him. Girls could do that easily. The boys could never do it; boys could never sit quietly and just wait for someone to walk into the trap. It was frustrating to watch the boys consistently leap from the moon shadows before their prey got close enough to tag.

It was the same way during daylight games when we could put a girl into camouflage and have her sit quietly by the trail to wait for someone from an opposing team member to walk past. It was funny for me to watch the girls sitting essentially right out in the open and never be noticed by the boys walking past. Boys could never sit still like that without a lot of training.

That's what being a sniper is all about. Young men have to be carefully trained against their own inherent natures to be effective snipers.

JustOneWay said:

Apparently, they are to be protected by the strong male, to cook, clean and tend to the kids. You know, their place. Their capabilities have limitations in the brave new world.

I've mentioned conscription in Israel a few times, but nobody seems to care that the Israelis do it.

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Something else I'd point out about the use of women by Israelis (and practically everyone else) is that women are utilized by the Israelis as defense forces, not projection forces. Israeli women protect their backyards, the hearth...which women have always done. Read about the woman Jael in Judges 4 of the Old Testament.

Only the US sends women in combat roles to other countries far from their homes.

hislegacy said:

Do you think every single soldier who was drafted and went to war was perfectly willing? What do you say to the hundreds of thousands who fell in battle for the freedom you currently live in?

It's called duty to your country. It used to be embraced as something to be applauded. There is a price for having the freedom we have right now - not a cliché but a truth.

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When one has a duty to do something one does it without being coerced. If one needs to be forced to do something that is not fulfilling a duty that is simply complying. The price of freedom is being willing to face the consequences of refusing to comply in the face of coercion.

hislegacy said:

But who said anything about 18 year olds?
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What would be the age limits then? Induct them younger? Drag out 20/30 something’s who chose not to enlist? Elaborate.

Will service guarantee citizenship?

grasping the after wind said:

Involuntary servitude is immoral. All the wonderful things that you say one will attain by military service ought to be enough to make citizens voluntarily join. Why do wish to force people to do so that are not willing to? There are a multitude of problems associated with a large military peopled by unwilling citizens.

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Are you suggesting that the Israeli military is peopled by unwilling citizens?

grasping the after wind said:

When one has a duty to do something one does it without being coerced. If one needs to be forced to do something that is not fulfilling a duty that is simply complying. The price of freedom is being willing to face the consequences of refusing to comply in the face of coercion.

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A true sense of duty cannot be imposed, it can only be accepted.

It cannot be said, "You have a duty," it can only be said, "I have a duty."

grasping the after wind said:

Are you suggesting that the Israeli military is peopled by unwilling citizens?

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Given that draft dodging has been described as their national pass time…

Desk trauma said:

What would be the age limits then? Induct them younger? Drag out 20/30 something’s who chose not to enlist? Elaborate.

Will service guarantee citizenship?

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No clue. The ONLY thing I said is that O thought it would be good for every able bodied male to serve.

There nothing to elaborate on.

hislegacy said:

No clue. The ONLY thing I said is that O thought it would be good for every able bodied male to serve.

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You also indicated that it shouldn’t be limited to 18 year olds.

hislegacy said:

There nothing to elaborate on.

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Well other than the plan for funding a serval hundred percent expansion of our military personnel.

hislegacy said:

Anyone discussing the fact that it is the Democrats pushing the idea of send woman to war, and the Republicans trying to defend them.
Interesting

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What war?

JustOneWay said:

I see. It is good for other nations, but not us. LOL

We have an invasion from the south and caustic poutine from the north. We too are surrounded by hostile nations.

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You think the US' inconvenience is comparable to Israel's plight?