Friendly (*ONLY) Jewish/Christian Interfaith Study - Anybody interested?

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

One of the reasons why I so admire righteous Christians, is because my father only surived the holocause because a righteous Christian family hid him along with 2 other young Jewish boys. They risked their life for saving their lives, as they lied to the authorities and said my father was the son of their deceased brother.
Because of their willing to sacrifice themselves and their entire family, I and my father are alive to day, may G-d bless them and their entire family, along with all of the righteous Christians who did the same.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
She is my study partner, and agrees with me 100%. She is a convert, but being that she grew up Southern Baptist, with 2 preachers as uncles, she knows a lot about Christianity, and like I said, 1/2 my family is Christian, because my mother is also a convert. Please understand that Jews do NOT encourage conversion to Judaism and that is not where I am going with this, as with the information I am going to present, you will fully understand that there is no reason to convert to Judaism, as your portion is already great, yet different.

For what it is worth, I will also add that I know for a fact that I am from the House of Levi, which was officially charged (by Torah) with the task of teaching the Torah to the Jews. I know this because I (and my Father also) have the DNA test proving that we a direct decedents of Aaron the Priest (son after son). I am NOT a Priest, as my family has lost the Priestly Status. This is because my father, who was an only son, was a holocaust orphan at age 4 and both his parents (and most of my family) were murdered in WW2, therefore, my grandfather was never able to pass on the tradition to my father, and it's now lost, preventing me or my father from functioning as a Priest, or a Levite, for that matter.

Oh, I'm not concerned about any 'potential' conversion. I'm way too far along in my own viewpoint for that, having an assortment of Judaic sources and references, and even as an Existentialist and a minimalist Christian, I can see that Jesus is a fulfillment of the Paschal Sacrifice trope. I have no reason to disregard that point since many Christians see Jesus as both the fulfillment of the Passover sacrifice (instituted before the Law was given even) and that Jesus could even be the Angel of the Lord, whose has the "His Name" within Him.

But is the Christian Church an "alternative bride"? Nah! That point I can't agree with. Christianity is simply the continuing 'faith of Abraham' but post-Jesus rather than pre-Jesus.

And here's another reference I use to add to those I posted earlier:

Bruce, F. F. (2006). The Time is Fulfilled. Wipf and Stock Publishers.

Of course, there's more where that came from in case I get responses from those who think they're going to pushback against my pushback.

We're here to Explore Christianity.....so that's what I provide!

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

2PhiloVoid said:
But is the Christian Church an "alternative bride"? Nah! That point I can't agree with. Christianity is simply the continuing 'faith of Abraham' but post-Jesus rather than pre-Jesus.

Not so, there are many Christians who believe in 2 House Theology, I did not come up with the concept, Christians did.

Two House Theology and Lost Tribes

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

As a token of appreciation, I would like to publicize the deeds of the Righteous Christian family who saved my father (in the white shirt). The parents are in he top left and right, and in the following picture. Their daughter is in the middle. My father actually traveled to Europe to meet her before she died.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
Not so, there are many Christians who believe in 2 House Theology, I did not come up with the concept, Christians did.

Two House Theology and Lost Tribes

I didn't say you came up with that theology. I'm simply saying that I'm not of that position.

See the difference?

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
As a token of appreciation, I would like to publicize the deeds of the Righteous Christian family who saves my father (in the white shirt. The parents are tin he top left and right.

View attachment 317081

I appreciate your personal appeal, but since you're apparently wanting a "robust" exchange of ideas, you might ask the forum moderators to move this to a forum here on Judaism ...

... yeah, it might be time for that now.

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

2PhiloVoid said:
I didn't say you came up with that theology. I'm simply saying that I'm not of that position.

See the difference?

Of course

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

2PhiloVoid said:
I appreciate your personal appeal, but since you're apparently wanting a "robust" exchange of ideas, you might ask the forum moderators to move this to a forum here on Judaism ...

... yeah, it might be time for that now.

I disagree, this thread is really about Christianity, as seen from an authentic Torah Perspective, and the Title is pretty clear. Those who are not interested in the subject should just not read my posts.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
Not so, there are many Christians who believe in 2 House Theology, I did not come up with the concept, Christians did.

Two House Theology and Lost Tribes

Christians are divided on this issue, by the way, as they are on a number of issues (except for the Trinity). So, it may be better to say that 'some' Christians who belong to certain denominational leanings aver for one of a handful of positions on the status of Modern Jews and Israel.

rturner76 · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
As a token of appreciation, I would like to publicize the deeds of the Righteous Christian family who saved my father (in the white shirt). The parents are in he top left and right, and in the following picture. Their daughter is in the middle. My father actually traveled to Europe to meet her before she died.

View attachment 317081

I think that is what is supposed to be the crux of Christianity. Many think it is what you believe that saves you and that is a component but at the heart of the religion is the question, will you lay down your life for another? THat is what Christ did and that martyers. It's the highest form of worship IMO.

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

rturner76 said:
I think that is what is supposed to be the crux of Christianity. Many think it is what you believe that saves you and that is a component but at the heart of the religion is the question, will you lay down your life for another? THat is what Christ did and that martyers. It's the highest form of worship IMO.

Thank you for that remark. I agree 100%.
Jesus explicitly told his apostles they will have to bear their own crosses, which they did (except for John of course). They were all martyrs. just like Jesus, which I will soon explain the nature of their sacrifice to G-d.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
I disagree, this thread is really about Christianity, as seen from an authentic Torah Perspective, and the Title is pretty clear.

No, this forum is what the SOP says it's for. It's not necessarily ONLY what YOU say it's for. See the difference?

I know I suggested to you that you start the thread here, but that was when you first came on and I didn't know yet what you wanted to discuss. Now that you've been on here for a short time and have explicated more fully your view, you'll probably need to have this thread moved to another section in this same forum since you're not really Exploring Christianity by asking about Christianity as Christians of various types see it. This isn't to say all your ideas are wrong, it's just that you seem intent on a more unilateral interaction.

BobRyan · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
Yes, but understand, this information below is purely theoretical in my book at this point
Overview of My Theory:
According to what I believe I've uncovered, 100% based on Torah Judaism, Jesus' Personal sacrifice is related to 3 things:

1) The Sacrifice of Isaac on the Alter by Abraham,
2) The Pascal Lamb offering, which is a necessary component for the Church to come into possession of a True (5 level) Yisroel Soul, which allows for the concept of a "New Israel " which would ultimately become
3) the "Rival Wife" of G-d. The Torah compares the Jewish People to the "Wife of G-d".

The wages of sin is "death" - Rom 6:23 which means that the wicked suffer the second death Rev 20 described as the lake of fire.

That ultimate penalty of second death (hell) in the lake of fire is what Christ pays in our place -- See Isaiah 53 where Christ is the sin offering "on our behalf" taking the stroke that was "due to us".

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

2PhiloVoid said:
No, this forum is what the SOP says it's for. It's not necessarily ONLY what YOU say it's for. See the difference?

I know I suggested to you that you start the thread here, but that was when you first came on and I didn't know yet what you wanted to discuss. Now that you've been on here for a short time and have explicated more fully your view, you'll probably need to have this thread moved to another section in this same forum since you're not really Exploring Christianity by asking about Christianity as Christians of various types see it. This isn't to say all your ideas are wrong, it's just that you seem intent on a more unilateral interaction.

Believe me, if I wasn't exploring Christianity, I would not know any of this. I have already learned a lot of new things in the last week, which I have incorporated into my theory. I do desire to hear everyone views, but not all of them do I agree with....but whatever. It's really not that important to me.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
Believe me, if I wasn't exploring Christianity, I would not know any of this. I have already learned a lot of new things in the last week, which I have incorporated into my theory. I do desire to hear everyone views, but not all of them do I agree with....but whatever. It's really not that important to me.

You make it sound as if it's important. And some of it may actually be.

BobRyan · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
Believe me, if I wasn't exploring Christianity, I would not know any of this. I have already learned a lot of new things in the last week, which I have incorporated into my theory. I do desire to hear everyone views, but not all of them do I agree with....but whatever. It's really not that important to me.

Welcome.

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

What I meant by that, is pertaining to where you guys want to move the thread, for whatever reason. If people on here express that they absolutely do not want to hear this information, we can take it elsewhere, but you should know, that would be a mistake, as it will only help your cause.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 15, 2022

Moshe Shlomo said:
What I meant by that, is pertaining to where you guys want to move the thread, for whatever reason. If people on here express that they absolutely do not want to hear this information, I can take it elsewhere, but you should know, that would be a mistake, as it will only help your cause.

You do what you feel you must then.

Moshe Shlomo · Jun 15, 2022

I think that would be the decision of the moderators. Anybody else have an opinion on moving the thread to the "barron wasteland" of Judaism threads?

The truth is that my views do NOT represent what either the Jewish people or Christians know to be Judaism, so that would be quite a misleading place to put it. My views are more of a cross between both religions, as is my lineage. Basically I have no home to hang my hat...It's kind of lonesome out here. Jesus had the exact same problem, his information was unique, and most did not know what to make of it...

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