ok, you say that is your premise, but what is the word of God?
Already answered in the post you are quoting from. Scripture is God's Word which includes all the old testament scriptures *2 Timothy 3:15-16 and all the new testament scriptures, in the teachings of Jesus who is God's living Word *John 1:1-4; 14 in the gospels and the Apostles who he gave His Words to give to the world *Matthew 28:19-20. The Word of God therefore is the spoken Words of God and the recorded written words of God given to us by Jesus who is the living Word of God in both the old and new testament scriptures.
What basis do you have for discarding John Chapter 6 and claiming it is symbolic, nothing more than a memorial meal, when Christianity accepted the Eucharist as the flesh and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ before some like Wycliffe and Tyndale argued that it was symbolic. The wording of John 6 is very clear, but you discount it
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven.
[52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
[53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
[54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you
eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
[55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Simply, I have never disregarded John 6. I discarded your interpretation of John 6 because it is not biblical or supported in scripture. We do not literally eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus. It is literally impossible. The true meaning of John 6 on Jesus being the bread of life is only supportive of everything that has been shared with you in this OP and that is
Jesus is the living Word and it is only through believing and following what his Word says that we have everlasting life *John 6:63; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21; John 17:17. We eat His flesh (the living Word of God *John 1:1-4; 14) by believing and following what His Word says and by doing so have everlasting life. This was already shared with you earlier through a detailed scripture response in
post # 27 linked. Your response was to simply ignore the scriptures shared with you in the linked post and you did not want to discuss these scriptures with me. See also the further response in
post # 38 linked in regards to the false teaching of
transubstantiation (
more here linked) the belief that eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ is literal.
your teaching is based on portions of the Bible to fit your view point.
Sorry I do not believe you. Perhaps your projecting here. I believe in all of Gods' Word which is why I provide scripture based on subject matter provided in context (1 Peter 3:15)
Where do you get your view point? Who told you that Christ’s words were not real and only symbolic?
From scripture and the very words of Jesus as shown already in
post # 27 linked. Also Jesus says elsewhere,
Matthew 13:10-16 [10], And the disciples came, and said to him,
Why speak you to them in parables? [11], He answered and said to them, Because
it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. [12], For whoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has. [13],
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. [14], And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which said, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive: [15], For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [16], But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
We must seek to know God's Word through His spirit and His Word in order to understand their meaning. We do not literally eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood. He is the Word of God and the parable is that God's Word is to be our life *Matthew 4:4; see John 6:63. See also the further response in
post # 38 linked in regards to the false teaching of
transubstantiation (
more here linked) the belief that eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ is literal.
I can try to follow your logic, but when you can’t admit the shortcomings of your position and reveal the source of those shortcomings, it will be futile.
Take your time to re-read the scriptures already provided in
post # 27 linked and latter in
post # 38 linked. There is no short comings in God's Word.
The word of God is the whole word of God. What basis do you give for discarding the deuterocanon? Who limited your scripture and why? The Church accepts the 77 books of the canon, you don’t. How do I know that you have the truth? Our canon contains the verses you reference but we come to different conclusions. How do you explain this?
Quite easily. I think your question here was brought up by your friend that was already addressed in some detail some time ago back in
post # 96 linked if you want to go and have a read. Let's talk about the Apocrypha. To be clear, no Hebrew Old Testament ever included the books of the Apocrypha. Old Testament’ as we have it today is basically the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh; but when Christians first developed an official canon, the Jews didn't have one—the ‘official canon’ concept was kind of novel. When Jews did get around to settling on a canon, and they considered roughly the same set of books, but accepted only ones written in Hebrew. The ‘Catholic’ canon also includes some scriptures from Jewish diaspora communities originally composed in other languages (generally or maybe universally Greek, the scholarly lingua franca of the Roman Empire). Protestants excluded the ‘Old Testament’ texts that weren't included by the Jews (so, disregarding compilation and translation choices, the standard Protestant OT is exactly the same material as the Tanakh). At the time of the Reformation, Protestants recognized as canonical books of the Bible the 39 Hebrew books recognized by the Jews and called by Christians the Old Testament, and the 27 Greek books universally accepted by Christians as the New Testament. In dispute were 12 books or parts of books written in Greek and referred to by Protestants as the Apocrypha, because their origins were “hidden”, that is, unknown.
The fundamental difference here is that the books of the Apocrypha are not included in the Hebrew Bible. The books of the Apocrypha only exist in Greek; there are no Hebrew texts of these books. Obviously they do not belong to the Old Testament, but also, neither do they belong to the New Testament as they were written and compiled before the birth of Christ. So in summary, the Old testament is the same as the Jewish Hebrew bible while the new testament is simply the writing and life of Jesus as the promised Messiah that the old testament scriptures pointed to and the writings of the Apostles that Jesus gave His Words to give to the world. The Apocrypha books do not fit in the Hebrew old testament and neither do they fit in the Greek or Aramaic new testament. That is why they are called Apocrypha because they do not fit in the old or new testament that make up the bible. Do you think that God is not in control of His Word and what he wants in the bible?
These circumstances show that sola scriptura is a fallacy. There has to be ecclesial authority to guide people to the truth. Christianity is a kingdom, not every man for himself
As shown all through this thread with the scriptures, there is no fallacy in scripture alone. There is only fallacy in not believing and following what God's Word says because our eternal life is conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says according to the scriptures which is scripture alone. You are correct however when you say, "it is not every man for himself". It is only as we believe and follow God's Word as God guides us through His Spirit or not at all. Which is why the scriptures are the only rule of faith and why we are to live by every one of them. Therefore the only way to everlasting life is through the scriptures alone.
Take Care.
