Sin.

mndgn.j · Jun 1, 2022

So sin is inevitably in our lives, and according to human standards there are levels of immorality. I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same. There is only one unpardonable sin and that is blaspheming the holy spirit of God. Although I may be forgiven by God (after confession and repentance) I cannot seem to forgive myself. I see the evil within me and despise it. I know this body of mine is dead in sin. I feel like Paul when he said he cant do the good he wants instead the evil he despised he kept on doing. True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry. I have this prompting of the holy spirit after doing this particular sin but not towards all sin in my life. Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing or what have you. What do you guys make of this conundrum, any advice? thanks.

disciple Clint · Jun 1, 2022

mndgn.j said:
So sin is inevitably in our lives, and according to human standards there are levels of immorality. I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same. There is only one unpardonable sin and that is blaspheming the holy spirit of God. Although I may be forgiven by God (after confession and repentance) I cannot seem to forgive myself. I see the evil within me and despise it. I know this body of mine is dead in sin. I feel like Paul when he said he cant do the good he wants instead the evil he despised he kept on doing. True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry. I have this prompting of the holy spirit after doing this particular sin but not towards all sin in my life. Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing or what have you. What do you guys make of this conundrum, any advice? thanks.

my thinking would be that Jesus paid for my sins so if I question if I am forgiven what I am actually questioning is ..was what Jesus did sufficient to forgive my sins, I have no doubt that it was so I am confident that my sins are forgiven. Hope that helps.

Tolworth John · Jun 1, 2022

mndgn.j said:
Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing

Jesus dos forgive only those sins one has confessed to, he has forgiven ALL your sins, past, present and futre.

You cannot dive into a swimming pool and come out partly dry and partly wet.
In the same way Jesus has paid for, forgiven ALL your sins.

We still have to repent of our current sins, not for forgiveness but to be sorry for them.

May I suggest that when the memory or guilt of past sins strike praise and thank God for Jesus and his forgiveness.

Maria Billingsley · Jun 1, 2022

mndgn.j said:
So sin is inevitably in our lives, and according to human standards there are levels of immorality. I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same. There is only one unpardonable sin and that is blaspheming the holy spirit of God. Although I may be forgiven by God (after confession and repentance) I cannot seem to forgive myself. I see the evil within me and despise it. I know this body of mine is dead in sin. I feel like Paul when he said he cant do the good he wants instead the evil he despised he kept on doing. True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry. I have this prompting of the holy spirit after doing this particular sin but not towards all sin in my life. Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing or what have you. What do you guys make of this conundrum, any advice? thanks.

Certain sins fall away faster than others. The " feeling sorry" is a reminder that there are still flesh driven desires and attitudes that are not part of God's will for our life. Eventually these sins will fall away as well as long as we walk with His Holy Spirit daily. This is the santification process, conforming to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings.

RaymondG · Jun 1, 2022

I think you should stop thinking about, looking into and dwelling on Sin. And, instead, start thinking about, looking into, and dwelling on Righteousness. This is the only way to remove sin from your life.

trophy33 · Jun 1, 2022

mndgn.j said:
I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same.

No, God does not see all sin the same. Of course raping somebody is worse than for example swearing.

mndgn.j said:
True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry.

No, true biblical repentance is to stop sinning, feelings are irrelevant.

Forgiving yourself for the past is hard, but you may see it as done by somebody who does not exist anymore, because you have changed in your mind and despise the sin you did. For the calmness of your mind you should concentrate on helping others instead of what you did wrong in the past, if you overthink it too much. Past is gone and you can change only the future.

Regarding problems controlling your flesh (and sins of the flesh), try fasting. Fasting teach your mind how to control bodily desires regarding food and it consequently makes your control over flesh in general stronger every fast.

com7fy8 · Jun 1, 2022

Trust Jesus to do what is possible >

"The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." (in Luke 18:27)

There is what I need to be doing, instead. For example, if I have a problem with how I am thinking and feeling about women . . . I need to love them, not wish to just use them.

aiki · Jun 1, 2022

mndgn.j said:
So sin is inevitably in our lives, and according to human standards there are levels of immorality. I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same.

Well, how do you mean this, exactly? All sin is sin, yes (James 2:10); but the effect of our sin varies widely depending upon what sort of sin it is. Johnny stealing a cookie from Grandma's cookie jar is a comparatively minor thing when placed next to, say, serial killing. In any case, sins of ignorance are not treated as harshly by God as those sins we commit knowing full well that they are sinful.

Luke 12:47-48
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he who knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

mndgn.j said:
There is only one unpardonable sin and that is blaspheming the holy spirit of God.

Actually, it is the heart from which such blasphemy arises that is unforgiveable (Matthew 12:34), not a series of words said in a particular order - a heart in utter rebellion toward God, calling His work the work of the devil. Such a heart is so hardened toward God that the forgiveness He offers to all is denied, the salvation He offers in Christ, rejected. It isn't God, though, who does the rejecting, who refuses to pardon, but the rebellious sinner who refuses His offer of redemption.

mndgn.j said:
Although I may be forgiven by God (after confession and repentance) I cannot seem to forgive myself.

Why? Are you better than God, more just and holy, more sensitive to your sin, than He? If He can forgive your sin, perfectly holy and just as He is, why won't you?

Philippians 3:12-14
12 Not as though I had already attained, or were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

mndgn.j said:
I see the evil within me and despise it. I know this body of mine is dead in sin. I feel like Paul when he said he cant do the good he wants instead the evil he despised he kept on doing.

Yes, but Paul went on in the next chapter (Romans 8) to explain how this struggle was resolved, the Christian being led constantly by the Holy Spirit, in his power putting to death the deeds of the body. (Romans 8:9-14) No genuinely born-again child of God has to live in the struggle of Romans 7 that Paul described. Read Romans 6, Galatians 5:24; Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:1-3.

mndgn.j said:
True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry.

Uh...not quite.

Crocodile Tears.

mndgn.j said:
I have this prompting of the holy spirit after doing this particular sin but not towards all sin in my life. Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing or what have you. What do you guys make of this conundrum, any advice? thanks.

You might feel the pricking of your conscience and feel a resulting guiltiness about your sin, but this isn't the same thing as the Holy Spirit convicting you of your sin. It is a human thing to focus on one sin while ignoring others; the Spirit condemns all sin, urging us to forsake every sin that we might better enjoy God.

Our lives are purified ultimately, not by repentance and confession of our sin, but by living in daily, often moment-by-moment, submission to God. As you live this way, the Holy Spirit will transform you, altering your desires, changing your thinking and attitudes, and making your conduct holy (though, not all at once). Repentance and confession deal with the aftermath of our sin, not the source of it, which is Self. Removing the root of all our sin, the "old man" of Romans 6:6, requires living by faith in the truth of our union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection (Romans 6:11) and remaining under his authority and control as his bond-servant (Romans 6:13-22).

mndgn.j · Jun 2, 2022

RaymondG said:
This is the only way to remove sin from your life.

can we truly remove sin from our lives? if we sin in our thoughts, we cant remove sin from our lives completely. although I would agree that we can drastically decrease the amount of sin in our lives.

mndgn.j · Jun 2, 2022

Tolworth John said:
not for forgiveness but to be sorry for them.

what do you mean by this ? if when Christ teaches his disciples to pray the lords prayer he tells them to ask for forgiveness as we forgive those who trespass against us.

mndgn.j · Jun 2, 2022

myst33 said:
No, God does not see all sin the same. Of course raping somebody is worse than for example swearing.

I have heard of this idea in the past, however I haven't seen biblical evidence to support this claim. instead God says if you have committed one sin you are guilty of the whole law. He says if we even look at a woman to lust after her or hate someone we are guilty of murder and sexual immorality with that woman. These seem like thought crime. if it is in your heart and its evil it is sin. the heart is deceitfully wicked afterall.

myst33 said:
No, true biblical repentance is to stop sinning, feelings are irrelevant.

So you have become sinless?

mndgn.j · Jun 2, 2022

RaymondG said:
I think you should stop thinking about, looking into and dwelling on Sin. And, instead, start thinking about, looking into, and dwelling on Righteousness.

how do you suggest I start? I agree it seems like I keep forgetting that by the free gift of God I am saved and he covers all my sins past present and future. What does it mean to walk with the holy spirit? I have asked for the HIM to come into my heart and not to abandon me not to forsake me when the time comes of his return. I know I will be found blameless and saved when Christ returns because He has forgiven me all sins and he has bought me with a heavy price.

mndgn.j · Jun 2, 2022

aiki said:
Well, how do you mean this, exactly? All sin is sin, yes (James 2:10); but the effect of our sin varies widely depending upon what sort of sin it is. Johnny stealing a cookie from Grandma's cookie jar is a comparatively minor thing when placed next to, say, serial killing. In any case, sins of ignorance are not treated as harshly by God as those sins we commit knowing full well that they are sinful.

Luke 12:47-48
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he who knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Actually, it is the heart from which such blasphemy arises that is unforgiveable (Matthew 12:34), not a series of word said in particular order - a heart in utter rebellion toward God, calling His work the work of the devil. Such a heart is so hardened toward God that the forgiveness He offers to all is denied, the salvation He offers in Christ, rejected. It isn't God, though, who does the rejecting, who refuses to pardon, but the rebellious sinner who refuses His offer of redemption.

Why? Are you better than God, more just and holy, more sensitive to your sin, than He? If He can forgive your sin, perfectly holy and just as He is, why won't you?

Philippians 3:12-14
12 Not as though I had already attained, or were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Yes, but Paul went on in the next chapter (Romans 8) to explain how this struggle was resolved, the Christian being led constantly by the Holy Spirit, in his power putting to death the deeds of the body. (Romans 8:9-14) No genuinely born-again child of God has to live in the struggle of Romans 7 that Paul described. Read Romans 6, Galatians 5:24; Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:1-3.

Uh...not quite.

Crocodile Tears.

You might feel the pricking of your conscience and feel a resulting guiltiness about your sin, but this isn't the same thing as the Holy Spirit convicting you of your sin. It is a human thing to focus on one sin while ignoring others; the Spirit condemns all sin, urging us to forsake every sin that we might better enjoy God.

Our lives are purified ultimately, not by repentance and confession of our sin, but by living in daily, often moment-by-moment, submission to God. As you live this way, the Holy Spirit will transform you, altering your desires, changing your thinking and attitudes, and making your conduct holy (though, not all at once). Repentance and confession deal with the aftermath of our sin, not the source of it, which is Self. Removing the root of all our sin, the "old man" of Romans 6:6, requires living by faith in the truth of our union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection (Romans 6:11) and remaining under his authority and control as his bond-servant (Romans 6:13-22).

I agree with you on nearly all points sir. What is biblical repentance then? My problem isn't that I cannot forgive myself, but that the devil condemns me whenever I sin. It just gets replayed in my mind the past sins and the sins I keep willfully committing. I cannot escape this body of death. But as you said thats why we rebuke the flesh and step into a life guided by the spirit. I could never understand what this means. As many times as I have read romans I never comprehended fully or at all perhaps. this is where my struggle comes from. the realization that Its not the sin I should focus on but the heart that has the issue (and this is something I have forgotten) The only person who can fix my heart and change my desires is God. Where do I go from here?

RaymondG · Jun 2, 2022

mndgn.j said:
can we truly remove sin from our lives? if we sin in our thoughts, we cant remove sin from our lives completely. although I would agree that we can drastically decrease the amount of sin in our lives.

Maybe i used the wrong wording.....I should of said " The only way sin can be removed from our lives." For it is the Father that doest the work, not ourselves.

All you need to do is believe that it can be done.. For...

He who is born of God, cannot commit sin....Period!

aiki · Jun 2, 2022

mndgn.j said:
What is biblical repentance then?

Did you check out the link titled "Crocodile Tears"?

mndgn.j said:
My problem isn't that I cannot forgive myself, but that the devil condemns me whenever I sin. It just gets replayed in my mind the past sins and the sins I keep willfully committing. I cannot escape this body of death.

Sure you can. Paul didn't stay in the defeat of Romans 7. Read Romans 8:1-14 and Romans 6:1-18. All you need to know to be free of "the body of this death" is spelled out in these passages. Also, check out my threads on the Discipleship Forum. Many of my threads deal with the sin-issue very directly and practically.

mndgn.j said:
But as you said thats why we rebuke the flesh and step into a life guided by the spirit.

More than guided, brother. Controlled.

mndgn.j said:
I could never understand what this means. As many times as I have read romans I never comprehended fully or at all perhaps. this is where my struggle comes from. the realization that Its not the sin I should focus on but the heart that has the issue (and this is something I have forgotten) The only person who can fix my heart and change my desires is God. Where do I go from here?

Okay. Check out these links:

Harold And The Old Lady

Wrestling with Myself: An Unwinnable Battle.

Take it. It's Yours!

Christ in Gethsemane: The Ultimate Lesson in Submission

Jeffwhosoever · Jun 2, 2022

mndgn.j said:
how do you suggest I start? I agree it seems like I keep forgetting that by the free gift of God I am saved and he covers all my sins past present and future. What does it mean to walk with the holy spirit? I have asked for the HIM to come into my heart and not to abandon me not to forsake me when the time comes of his return. I know I will be found blameless and saved when Christ returns because He has forgiven me all sins and he has bought me with a heavy price.

You are not saved by works but by the faith in Christ that he gave you when you accepted Him to be your Lord and Savior. Removing sin is a lifelong process that will not end in this life. As someone else said, it is a process of sanctification, where we have to actually work at removing that log from our own eyes. The good news is your salvation does not depend on your sin anymore, since Paul tells you clearly in Romans 8:1 " There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

So the good news is you are forgiven regardless of your sins. We can sin less, but we won't be sin free because we live in the enemy's world. And don't forget there are both sins of commission and sins of omission. Did you pass by a homeless person, or not delight your spouse tonight, or not let someone in a traffic pattern? You can see why it is so difficult (impossible) to be sin-free. Focus on sin-less. Read the Bible. Pray daily. Give to others and do good deeds. Be with God's people in church or online if necessary.
Romans 3:23-26
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. "

Tolworth John · Jun 3, 2022

mndgn.j said:
what do you mean by this ? if when Christ teaches his disciples to pray the lords prayer he tells them to ask for forgiveness as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Think.
Jesus's death and resurrection dealt with ALL our sins, our past sins, our prescent sins and our future sins.
If Jesus has forgiven them how do we seek forgiveness for forgiven sins?

think.

Are you going to suggest that Jesus dies repeatedly so that our current sins are forgiven!
Or is it more reasonable to acknowledge our sins and repent of them.

trophy33 · Jun 3, 2022

mndgn.j said:
I have heard of this idea in the past, however I haven't seen biblical evidence to support this claim. instead God says if you have committed one sin you are guilty of the whole law.

In the law itself it was absolutely clear that some sins were worse than others.

Its also only logical, regarding the effect various sins have on the life of others.

mndgn.j said:
So you have become sinless?

No. I have become constantly repenting.

mndgn.j · Jun 4, 2022

aiki said:
Did you check out the link titled "Crocodile Tears"?

Sure you can. Paul didn't stay in the defeat of Romans 7. Read Romans 8:1-14 and Romans 6:1-18. All you need to know to be free of "the body of this death" is spelled out in these passages. Also, check out my threads on the Discipleship Forum. Many of my threads deal with the sin-issue very directly and practically.

More than guided, brother. Controlled.

Okay. Check out these links:

Harold And The Old Lady

Wrestling with Myself: An Unwinnable Battle.

Take it. It's Yours!

Christ in Gethsemane: The Ultimate Lesson in Submission

thank you sir I will check these out! God bless you

SANTOSO · Jun 4, 2022

mndgn.j said:
So sin is inevitably in our lives, and according to human standards there are levels of immorality. I understand that Gods view of sin is different to our own in that all sin is the same. There is only one unpardonable sin and that is blaspheming the holy spirit of God. Although I may be forgiven by God (after confession and repentance) I cannot seem to forgive myself. I see the evil within me and despise it. I know this body of mine is dead in sin. I feel like Paul when he said he cant do the good he wants instead the evil he despised he kept on doing. True biblical repentance isn't to stop sinning, but to change ones mind regarding the sin, and feel sorry. I have this prompting of the holy spirit after doing this particular sin but not towards all sin in my life. Perhaps I haven't repented towards the "lesser" sins like swearing or what have you. What do you guys make of this conundrum, any advice? thanks.

Beloved one, you should not have relied on your strength for deliverance, but you should rely on the strength of the Lord.

For we heard :
“The Lord will give strength to His people; The Lord will bless His people with peace.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Let me ask you if you able to deliver yourself, then I ask you why God give strength to His people.

Also, let me ask if you are able to deliver yourself, you will be in peace, then I ask you what is the peace that the Lord bless His people.

Selah

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