The Left is Rallying to Take Your Guns Again

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Guns are easily obtained. Chi-town criminals just need a hook up with a border state or a connection with a Texan.
Only if that other person is willing to break the law.
 
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From what I've found, Texas is number two in terms of the most murders and executes the most criminals; that seems to support the claim.

Now, I suspect you'll reply that Texas only has the most murders when you account for the number of people in Texas.

Misread his post. I thought that he meant the highest rate of murder by firearms.

How do we account for the number of people in Texas; when we have so many criminals pouring over our Southern border, committing all sorts of heinous crimes?
 
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Feel safer now?
As I happen to live in a state that did pass the law recently you could say that as I am proud of that fact. I personally have sense enough not to carry based on the fact that I have poor eyesight and motor skills, but yes I would carry ( likely with a permit) if my situation allowed.
 
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Perhaps. How do we keep guns out of the mass shooter?
There are ways. A lot of it comes down to how willing people are to speak up when they suspect something is up with a particular person. I DO support for this reason limited and strict red flag laws.
 
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SO don't give them a trigger to pull
but thee problem is that if they did not have a trigger to pull they would use other methods. It is the person that causes the issue not the TOOL that they happen to use.
 
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  1. Louisiana (12.4 per 100k)
  2. Missouri (9.8 per 100k)
  3. Nevada (9.1 per 100k)
  4. Maryland (9 per 100k)

    Murder Rate by State 2022

In fact, the Brady Campaign issues "scorecards" to rank each state's gun laws. Here are the 10 states with the toughest gun laws, according to the Brady Campaign's latest report:

  1. California
  2. New Jersey
  3. Massachusetts
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. Hawaii
  7. Maryland
  8. Rhode Island
  9. Illinois
  10. Pennsylvania

    10 States With the Toughest Gun Laws - FindLaw

Maryland has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Can you explain why they have one of the highest murder rates?
 
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Not a clue.

O.K.

Illinois 7.8 1,120 5.5

Murder Rate by State 2022

In fact, the Brady Campaign issues "scorecards" to rank each state's gun laws. Here are the 10 states with the toughest gun laws, according to the Brady Campaign's latest report:

  1. California
  2. New Jersey
  3. Massachusetts
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. Hawaii
  7. Maryland
  8. Rhode Island
  9. Illinois
  10. Pennsylvania

    10 States With the Toughest Gun Laws - FindLaw
Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Can you explain why they have one of the highest murder rates? They rank #11 for the highest national murder rates, according to your source.
 
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From what I've found, Texas is number two in terms of the most murders and executes the most criminals; that seems to support the claim.

Now, I suspect you'll reply that Texas only has the most murders when you account for the number of people in Texas. In that case, their murder rate is still higher than the national average but those arguing about how bad Democratic states murder rates will have to drop that argument -- by murder rate, Republican states are far worse than Republican rates. Mississippi, in this case, becomes the murder capitol of the US (using 2020 numbers), followed by Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, and Arkansas finishing out the top five.

For the person claiming it was the Northeast that was so violent, this turns out not to be true -- the South appears to be the area with by far the most murders (by murder rate) in the US.

It is also worth noting that this is the fifth mass shooting in Texas in the last 5 years -- despite not being any the last two years during COVID. In 2017 there was the shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. In 2018, there was the shooting at Santa Fe High School. In 2019 there was the El Paso Walmart shooting and the Midland-Odessa shooting. And this year was Uvalde Elementary.

There easily could have been more, since there was the Colleyville Synagogue hostage situation, which likely limited murders due to the synagogue doing online services due to COVID. There was a mass shooting at Kent Moore Furniture, in Bryan, TX, earlier this year, but while seven people were shot only one died -- so it doesn't make the list of mass murders. Earlier this year there was a mass shooting in Dallas, at a family friendly Easter Party (though the shooting did not occur until late night/early morning, after most kids had left), where 15 were injured and one killed -- so another that didn't make the mass murder list. If I dug, I could find more mass shooting events or attempts -- Texas has had more than its share of mass shootings.
Wow, I lived in two of the top five states. So glad I surround myself with peaceable people.
 
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From what I've found, Texas is number two in terms of the most murders

From what I've found Texas is almost neck and neck with California regarding murders.

Texas 5 1,653 4.9
California 4.6 2,022 4.8

Murder Rate by State 2022

However, California has the toughest gun laws in the country.

In fact, the Brady Campaign issues "scorecards" to rank each state's gun laws. Here are the 10 states with the toughest gun laws, according to the Brady Campaign's latest report:

  1. California
  2. New Jersey
  3. Massachusetts
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. Hawaii
  7. Maryland
  8. Rhode Island
  9. Illinois
  10. Pennsylvania

    10 States With the Toughest Gun Laws - FindLaw

Texas has minimal gun laws.


What do these two states share in common? Very little; but one thing that really stands out, is that they both have large waves of criminals pouring over our Southern border.
 
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From what I've found Texas is almost neck and neck with California regarding murders.

Texas 5 1,653 4.9
California 4.6 2,022 4.8

Murder Rate by State 2022

However, California has the toughest gun laws in the country.

In fact, the Brady Campaign issues "scorecards" to rank each state's gun laws. Here are the 10 states with the toughest gun laws, according to the Brady Campaign's latest report:

  1. California
  2. New Jersey
  3. Massachusetts
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. Hawaii
  7. Maryland
  8. Rhode Island
  9. Illinois
  10. Pennsylvania

    10 States With the Toughest Gun Laws - FindLaw

Texas has minimal gun laws.


What do these two states share in common? Very little; but one thing that really stands out, is that they both have large waves of criminals pouring over our Southern border.

I'd love to see support by this "crime wave" caused by illegals in Texas and California. The best I could find was a Texas study that showed 775 arrests for homicide between 2011 and 2022 -- not convictions but arrests. Of those 775 arrests, only 87 have been convicted.

Still, if we grant that illegals committed 775 murders over that 11 year period, that 75 per year average is a drop in the bucket compared to the 1,653 murders -- it does not support the "waves of criminals pouring over our Southern Borders." Instead, that is a political talking point -- and in particular is why they list arrests (many of whom were likely innocent, since there is only a roughly 10% conviction rate) and list the total over 11 years, rather than a per year number, to drum up fear for "illegals."
 
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How do we account for the number of people in Texas; when we have so many criminals pouring over our Southern border, committing all sorts of heinous crimes?

One wonders why Trump didn't build the wall he promised.
 
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