The Genetic Code

SelfSim · May 21, 2022

renniks said:
There is nothing gradual about abiogenesis. If it is true, it had to, in a single step, go from random molecules to a very specific and complex combination of them that:

i) Abiogenesis hypotheses don't have to be true.
ii) You are showing your ignorance of organic chemistry and how it gains complexity, as well as ignorance of how autocatalysis works.
iii) This ignorance immediately disqualifies your opinions about the relationships of these areas with abiogenesis hypotheses.

renniks said:
Could draw energy from around it to fuel its processes

Was able to reproduce

Had some sort of genetic code that could mutate to sometimes accidently produce improvements that could be naturally selected.

Without the assistance of cellular machinery, how can this happen?

Chemical evolution - biological precursors via autocatalysis.

renniks said:
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

It evidently just melted away.

Kylie · May 21, 2022

AV1611VET said:
That's a citation.

You have no evidence that the claim is true.

Thus, the claim is insufficient.

AV1611VET · May 21, 2022

Kylie said:
You have no evidence that the claim is true.

Thus, the claim is insufficient.

All I have to do to satisfy your request is provide a citation.

Whether it's true or not ... well ... the proof is in the taste of the pudding.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

Would you like me to provide a citation of that statement?

Kylie · May 22, 2022

AV1611VET said:
All I have to do to satisfy your request is provide a citation.

Whether it's true or not ... well ... the proof is in the taste of the pudding.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

Would you like me to provide a citation of that statement?

As usual, you ignore the point and play games.

Bungle_Bear · May 22, 2022

Mountainmike said:
Myanswer on amino acids was in connection of a specific reference - not yours.

On Eucharistic miracles I suggest you study that is there. It is a massive surprise to most who do. Few Catholics are aware of it. The forensic pathology of . Tixtla. Buenos airies . Sokolka. Legnica. Are All determined as traumatized cardiac tissue ,recently live, in two cases so intermingled with bread that no fake is possible.

Different teams , labs and continents, so not a conspiracy.
The ( atheist ) pathologist Robert Lawrence stated that these and the statue of Cochabamba were “ credible evidence of creation of life”

The best way to do that is read Serafinis book which contains many references also a dialogue about the finding of MtDNA haplotype, but no identifiable human genetic code ( that’s not the same as no DNA - DNA human identification uses redundant parts)

I am not against life from soup. I’ve been reading about protocell since for FIFTY years now.

I’m against the hyping of what is at very best conjecture on how or where or whether it happened. Unlike the supposition of abiogenesis from The Eucharistic miracles on the other hand actually happened at known times and places. Evidence actually exists.

I decided to do some research on the Buenos Aires miracle. I have, so far, found 4 different and slightly contradictory versions (all from Catholic sites claiming evidence of Eucharistic miracles), and nothing more than hearsay. There are no links to, or mentions of, forensic reports, scientific analysis or even peer review. There are simply claims that an apparently miraculous piece of flesh was identified as heart tissue, then when the miraculous nature was revealed the scientists all said "gosh, that's interesting, it must be evidence of a miracle" and left it at that.

Seriously? No scientist would do that.

JohnPaul88 · May 22, 2022

Kylie said:
That's a claim, not evidence.

Why do you atheists even join a Christian forum, to start trouble?

SelfSim · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
Why do you atheists even join a Christian forum, to start trouble?

(More like to curtail it, methinks ..)

JohnPaul88 · May 22, 2022

SelfSim said:
(More like to curtail it, methinks ..)

You thinks wrong.

Larniavc · May 22, 2022

Mountainmike said:
A faith statement of yours?

Because yes the world really does have forensic evidence. Lots of it, all you have to do is look for it, or stay ignorant. Take your pick.

Prove it. You can claim it until you are blue in the face. Pony up with the evidence of this so called miraculous transformation

SelfSim · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
You thinks wrong.

Comments like that cause trouble y'know ..

JohnPaul88 · May 22, 2022

SelfSim said:
Comments like that cause trouble y'know ..

People like you cause trouble.

SelfSim · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
People like you cause trouble.

Huh? But you seemed to think Atheists join this site to cause trouble .. now you're accusing me of causing trouble. I can see you're very confused about trouble. I'll suggest you try sticking with the thread topic, to see if that avoids it, eh(?)
Cheers

ottawak · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
Why do you atheists even join a Christian forum, to start trouble?

Because creationism is part of the Christian Right's political agenda so it is of interest of atheists and this is a forum where atheists are invited to participate. If you object to the presence of atheists, CF has a creation/evolution forum where only Christians are allowed and only right-wing Evangelicals are welcome. Have fun!

sfs · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
Why do you atheists even join a Christian forum, to start trouble?

Why do creationists post in a science forum, like this one?

Hans Blaster · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
Why do you atheists even join a Christian forum, to start trouble?

To fight the good fight against pseudoscience. (Like electrically powered stars. :sigh:

)

AV1611VET · May 22, 2022

Kylie said:
As usual, you ignore the point and play games.

I like to give citations every once in awhile as well.

Especially upon request.

Estrid · May 22, 2022

JohnPaul88 said:
People like you cause trouble.

That seems to me an unfortunate attitude - that any
ideas you've not chosen to adopt are from " trouble makers".

Being overly sure you have it all figured out is really
just vanity, is it not?
Give a few minutes to this, theres much here to
address your question.
Unexamined Life Worth Living Essay - 1656 Words | Cram

renniks · May 22, 2022

SelfSim said:
Chemical evolution - biological precursors via autocatalysis.

Doesn't happen.

Hans Blaster · May 22, 2022

renniks said:
Doesn't happen.

Says what scientific evidence?

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